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Silver

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Has anyone been using this for coccidiosis prevention? We used it the last two years in a trial pill form which was discontinued. This year it is available in liquid oral form but it's pretty pricey as every calf gets it at birth.
Seems like since we have been proactive in dealing with cocci that the calves have been doing better. Just curious if anyone else was doing this and what they thought of it.
 
If feeding mineral helped overall herd health I would still be feeding it. It's great for those that live in areas that don't naturally provide.
I didn't start this thread to argue about the merits of a mineral program, I was interested if anyone else was using this product and how they thought it worked for them.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
I use Bovatec in my mineral and that seems to help. The cows are on it so it helps for the shedding of cocci.
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Our deal is to try to meet all nutritional requirements, at lowest cost.

We've lost use of some winter pasture, generally hadn't started full feeding till mid march.

About half a feed of good alfalfa hay seems to meet protein, vit a, calcium requirements.

Straw slows down pass thru and has lots of energy. Our cows are eating gobs of it, it's a yr old.

I get mineral with bovatec in it, recommend consumption is 3 oz. Very hard to keep it right, currently with free choice loose salt and mineral mixed half and half with mixing salt, it's close.

Big Muddy---or anybody else----do you have trouble controlling consumption, how do you do it, etc? Thanks~~
 
I think you are probably doing about the best you can feeding free choice. I never worried about over consumption as much as under consumption. Seems like the cattle slow up eating it in most cases as they get what they need. Sometimes that takes awhile. In the summer on some of my pastures I can't get them to eat any.then it's a problem.
 
Silver said:
If feeding mineral helped overall herd health I would still be feeding it. It's great for those that live in areas that don't naturally provide.
I didn't start this thread to argue about the merits of a mineral program, I was interested if anyone else was using this product and how they thought it worked for them.
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I guess I missed something. When was this turned into a discussion about mineral....other than using it as a carrier for Bovatec or Rumensin?

But now that it was brought up, if you were feeding mineral there is a good chance you wouldn't be having cocci in your cattle. Just a thought....
 
But now that it was brought up, if you were feeding mineral there is a good chance you wouldn't be having cocci in your cattle. Just a thought....
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All cattle are infected to some degree by coccidia.
 
hmmmm...........suddenly, eye contact is avoided, newspapers are brought up high, blocking faces, people jump up and 'remember' they're late for 'forgotten' appointments....tires spin, gravel flies, small children climb trees or run screaming for home---Yikes! It's a mineral salesperson!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Just kiddin', Faster---do enjoy your posts and points.
 
Since we are talking about Coccidia we never seem to have a problem on newborn calves which is probably a result of our late calving date and they are spread around in the hills. We used to have a problem in weaned calves over the winter which has seemingly been brought under control with Bovatec in the mineral.

Thinking back to our stocker days it seems that the higher strung Continental cattle, Limo's and Simmy type cattle seemed to be the most prone to the nervous type cocci.
Just an observation, anybody have a theory?
 
On a side note, Bovatec is NOT for prevention, it is only a control. Rumensin is for prevention.
 
From the Bovatec web site.
BOVATEC® covers the six critical Cs for starting cattle:

Consumption

Does not depress feed intake like Rumensin® 1-4
Cattle get on feed quickly
Improves feed efficiency
Boosts average daily gain in cattle fed in confinement for slaughter, unlike Rumensin

Coccidiosis

Controls this sometimes-deadly disease in arriving cattle
Coccidiosis is controlled from day one because cattle receive the full dose on arrival
 
Thanks for that BMR. I think it is important to make the distinction between prevention and control.
 
by Faster horses » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:45 pm

Thx littlejoe....some on here have done what you mentioned in your post. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I said that wrong, Silver. I want to correct it to say there are coccidia which is the bug and coccidiosis, which is the disease. Any thing stressful can set off coccidiosis....weather stress, feed stress, the blue heeler dog stress. I never heard of coccidiosis until I moved to SE Montana. Stress causes the coccidia to overgrow and cause problems. We've never had a case of it...never. We have a mineral product called 4479D with Dequinate which prevents coccidiosis that you feed for 28 (30 preferable) days. Works very well. Amprolium is the only treatment for cattle that have contracted the disease.
 
Yes FH you are quite right, stress is the biggest trigger for coccidiosis, generally weather related. Which is one good reason folks who calve on the open prairie during the dry time tend to have less problem. However, just because one doesn't see any clinical signs of coccidiosis does not mean it's not in your herd. Inapparent or 'Subclinical' coccidiosis is more important and may account for over 95% of all the losses associated with coccidiosis, according to what I have read. Amporlium is actually one of two treatments for cattle, with toltrazuril being the other.
 

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