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We know from the Congressional testimony the CIA never said it was the video in their talking Points and Susan Rice got her talking point somewhere other than the CIA talking points.

New court ordered released Emails from Ben Rhodes at the White House to UN Ambassador Susan Rice before her Sunday Morning Talk show tour mentions the video story has to be pushed so the message on Benghazi was not seen as a failure in policy.

The rug that Obama is hiding all the Benghazi dirt under is coming unraveled and I hope the truth leads to the rug in the Oval Office. :x
 
Republicans say e-mails released Tuesday on the attack in Benghazi, Libya, include "the smoking gun" that shows a White House official urged that the assault on the U.S. consulate be blamed on a protest that never happened.

The e-mails, obtained by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch through a Freedom of Information Act request, include one in which White House official Ben Rhodes lists "goals" for then-U.N. ambassador Susan Rice to meet in explaining the attack and protests occurring across the Middle East that week to the American public.

Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans died in the assault, which the White House subsequently acknowledged was an al-Qaeda-linked terror attack.

The e-mail, sent to various officials including White House spokesman Jay Carney, said one goal was "to underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

Another goal was "to reinforce the president and administration's strength and steadiness in dealing with difficult challenges."

Rhodes is assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for strategic communication and speechwriting.

During appearances on five Sunday news programs, Rice did blame the attack on Sept. 11, 2012, on a protest against an anti-Islam video produced by an American. So did Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, and President Obama would not say whether it was a terrorist attack until several days later.

The CIA station chief in Libya reported from the beginning that the attack was an al-Qaeda-linked operation and that there was no protest. Though there was some dispute over the manner of the attack, former CIA deputy director Mike Morell testified earlier this month that he had no idea where the story about a video protest came from when he saw Rice make the claim on television.

Republicans say the protest story emanated from a White House bent on protecting the president from charges that he was wrong to claim during his campaign in 2012 that al-Qaeda was on its heels.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called the e-mails "a smoking gun" that points to White House efforts "to shape the story" of what happened in Benghazi.

Rather than have Rice provide "the best information that was available" in her TV appearances, the administration's goal was "to put a political stance on a disaster six weeks before an election," Graham said.

The White House said it relied on the best intelligence available at the time, and when better intelligence arrived, the story was clarified.

Bernadette Meehan, spokeswoman for the White House National Security Council, said Rhodes' e-mail contains general talking points on unrest spreading throughout the Middle East and North Africa at the time.

"There were protests taking place across the region in reaction to an offensive Internet video, so that's what these points addressed," Meehan said in an e-mail.

Protests in Cairo; Sanaa, Yemen; Khartoum, Sudan; and Tunis, Tunisia, and early reports of similar protests in Benghazi "contributed to questions of how the attack began," she said.

The e-mails also show that then-deputy national security adviser Denis McDonough, on Rhodes' behalf, assigned Clinton aide Jake Sullivan to work with Morell to finalize the initial talking points on Benghazi. At that time, the talking points did not include the story about the protest.

They knew for day one Benghazi had nothing to do with the protest in other countries hence Morell not knowing where Rice got her talking points including the Video when it came to Benghazi. :roll:
 
Tam said:
They knew for day one Benghazi had nothing to do with the protest in other countries hence Morell not knowing where Rice got her talking points including the Video when it came to Benghazi. :roll:

They knew from day 1, that overthrowing Gaddifi, without Congressional, and supporting terrorists, to get it done, would bring instability to the Country.

That is the crime. Not how they "spun" it.

Bush lied about WMD, supposedly, and obama lied about the reasons for going into Libya, so he could support terrorists, and bring further unrest, to the middle east and africa.

And all we get from the left....crickets. Principles...they have none.
 
hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
They knew for day one Benghazi had nothing to do with the protest in other countries hence Morell not knowing where Rice got her talking points including the Video when it came to Benghazi. :roll:

They knew from day 1, that overthrowing Gaddifi, without Congressional, and supporting terrorists, to get it done, would bring instability to the Country.

That is the crime. Not how they "spun" it.

Bush lied about WMD, supposedly, and obama lied about the reasons for going into Libya, so he could support terrorists, and bring further unrest, to the middle east and africa.

And all we get from the left....crickets. Principles...they have none.

Yes and some poor schmuck went to jail over it. I wonder where he is now? :mad:

I hope and pray...that something is done TO these LIARS that run the country.
 
Faster horses said:
hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
They knew for day one Benghazi had nothing to do with the protest in other countries hence Morell not knowing where Rice got her talking points including the Video when it came to Benghazi. :roll:

They knew from day 1, that overthrowing Gaddifi, without Congressional, and supporting terrorists, to get it done, would bring instability to the Country.

That is the crime. Not how they "spun" it.

Bush lied about WMD, supposedly, and obama lied about the reasons for going into Libya, so he could support terrorists, and bring further unrest, to the middle east and africa.

And all we get from the left....crickets. Principles...they have none.

Yes and some poor schmuck went to jail over it. I wonder where he is now? :mad:

I hope and pray...that something is done TO these LIARS that run the country.

You are thinking too small. It's not just your Country...but, you are the last obstacle...or were.

A New World Order, equates to Global Socialism, and then we progress to what?

I get a kick out of Liberals/Progressives that do not agree with Economic Globalization, yet think that Conservative Individualism is a bad thing...
 
Worst part about the shenanigans was they were covered up just before an election and the media was complicit.

That is, not long after Buckwheat announced that Al Qaeda had been decimated.

Lying over an attempt to win an election is bad enough, but when lies were involved in the death of an American Representative, it is criminal.
 
ya, but, did you hear there are racists among you? And, that Republican stole a cookie, from the cookie jar.

Focus on the important things, woulda ya?
 
White House Directed Incorrect Benghazi Narrative
by Sharyl Attkisson April 29, 2014

Newly-released documents reveal direct White House involvement in steering the public narrative about the September 11, 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya, toward that of a spontaneous protest that never happened.

One of the operative documents, which the government had withheld from Congress and reporters for a year and a half, is an internal September 14, 2012 email to White House press officials from Ben Rhodes, President Obama's Assistant and Deputy National Security Advisor. (Disclosure: Ben Rhodes is the brother of David Rhodes, the President of CBS News, where I was employed until March.)

In the email, Ben Rhodes lists as a "goal" the White House desire "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy."

The email is entitled, "RE: PREP CALL with Susan, Saturday at 4:00 pm ET" and refers to White House involvement in preparing then-U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice for her upcoming appearance on Sunday television network political talk shows.

The Rhodes email states that another "goal" is "To reinforce the President and Administration's strength and steadiness in dealing with difficult challenges."

A court compelled the release of the documents, which were heavily-redacted, to the conservative watchdog group JudicialWatch, which has sued the government over its failed Freedom of Information responses. I have also requested Benghazi-related documents under Freedom of Information law, but the government has only produced a few pages to date.

Today, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) called the Rhodes email the "smoking gun" showing the "political manipulation by the White House" after the attacks.

"The political shop at the White House took over early on," Graham told me. "They understood it was a terrorist attack, that they had a political problem, and were going to handle it politically. They weren't going to entertain anything other than what they wanted the public to hear."

USA Today quotes a spokesman for the White House National Security Council reacting to the Rhodes' email by stating that it contains general talking points on unrest spreading throughout the region in response to an offensive video, and also made clear that "our primary goals" included the safety of U.S. personnel in the field and bringing those responsible for the attacks to justice.

Since the deadly attacks on the U.S. missions in Benghazi, there have been persistent allegations that the Obama administration developed a false political narrative to downplay or hide the fact that terrorists had struck. The President had campaigned by stating that al Qaeda was "on the run," and Republicans have argued that news of a terrorist attack eight weeks before the election could have decimated his re-election campaign. Four Americans were killed in the assaults, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

White House officials copied on the Rhodes "goal" email include Press Secretary Jay Carney, then-Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer, then-White House Senior Advisor David Plouffe, then-White House Deputy Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri and Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest. Earnest has failed to respond to more than a year's worth of my emails and phone calls in my effort to obtain official White House photographs taken the night of the Benghazi attacks. The White House photo office had told me that Earnest's personal approval was needed for the photos to be released.

Rhodes has emerged as a key figure in the controversy but hasn't yet been asked to provide testimony to Congress.

Changed classification?

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) told me today that the government apparently tried to keep the Rhodes email out of Congress and the public's hands by classifying it after-the-fact.

"They retroactively changed the classification," Chaffetz says. "That was an unclassified document and they changed it to classified."

In the past month, the government has supplied 3,200 new Benghazi-related documents under Congressional subpoena. In some instances, Congressional members and their staff are only permitted to see the documents during certain time periods in a review room, and cannot remove them or make copies.

Chaffetz says that the State Department redacted more material on the copies provided to Congress than on those that it was forced to provide to JudicialWatch.

One of the most heavily-redacted email exchanges is entitled, "FOX News: US officials knew Libya attack was terrorism within 24 hours, sources confirm." The Fox News article was circulated among dozens of officials including Rhodes and then-Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough but the content of their email discussion is hidden.

"Topline Points"

An internal document provided by the State Department dated Sept. 14, 2012 is titled, "Topline Points" and poses answers to a series of questions apparently in preparation for the briefing to be provided to Ambassador Rice prior to her talk show appearances. The document fails to mention terrorism, although it had been repeated throughout the early versions of the talking points, and many government officials have said that they had already concluded by that time that terrorism was to blame.

"What's your response to the Independent story that says we have intelligence 48 hours in advance of the Benghazi attack that was ignored?" is one question posed in the briefing memo. The suggested answer: "This story is absolutely wrong. We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission was planned or imminent. We also see indications that this action was related to the video that has sparked protests in other countries."

But the final sentence to the answer is expanded and developed in the "PREP CALL with Susan" email from Rhodes at 8:09pm on Friday, September 14, 2012. It adds the phrase "spontaneously inspired" and also refers to the attack as "demonstrations" that "evolved."

"The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex," reads the Friday night email from Rhodes to White House press officials.

Obama administration officials have insisted they were acting on "the best intelligence available at the time" and that they clarified the story as they got more information.

But taken as a whole, the documents and testimony revealed since the attacks support the idea that the administration's avoidance of the word "terrorism" was a strategy rather than an accident or mistake.

White House Involvement

Relatively few documents have been provided that shed light on White House involvement in the post-Benghazi narrative. Previously, emails showed that then-deputy national security adviser Denis McDonough, on Rhodes' behalf, assigned Hillary Clinton-aide Jake Sullivan to work with Deputy Director of the C.I.A. Mike Morell to edit the talking points on Benghazi.

As the various agencies worked to edit and approve the talking points on Sept. 14, Rhodes emailed that there would be a Deputies meeting the next morning to work out the issues. "That's polite code for let's not debate this on e-mail for 18 hours," one official involved told me last year.

Multiple government officials including those in the military, State Department and C.I.A. have stated in documents or under questioning that they immediately believed the attacks, using heavy weaponry and mortar shells, were the work of terrorists. Prior to the attacks, there had been multiple warnings of al Qaeda threats in Libya and, specifically, in Benghazi.

In fact, in an early version of the government's "talking points," the C.I.A. stated that it had "produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa'ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya," and that "These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador's convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks." The administration later removed these C.I.A. disclosures about the advance warning of a threat.

Morell testified to Congress earlier this month that he, and not the White House, was responsible for making some of the most controversial revisions to the talking points, including removing the language about the advance warnings. Morell has since gone to work as counsel for Beacon Global Strategies, a strategic relations PR firm dominated by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Obama administration officials. (Disclosure: In January, Morell was hired as an analyst for CBS News where I was previously employed.)

An administration official who asked not to be identified previously told me that "spontaneous" protests was probably not the right word to use in the talking points, but that there was no intent to deceive.

Sen. Graham has a different view.

"They understood it was a terrorist attack, that they had a political problem and they were going to handle it politically. They saw it as a chink in the President's armor and they tried to repair it," says Graham.
 
Kind of like debating OT...It is less painful to just beat your head against a brick wall. :mad: :shock: :oops: :roll: 8)



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/30/jay-carneys-shocking-statement-during-tense-exchange-with-abc-reporter-newly-released-white-house-emails-not-about-benghazi/
 
Now Mike I agree we should demand it. Just where does demanding some thing from the Fed's get us? Pissed off is where it gets us.
 
Red Bull said:
Now Mike I agree we should demand it. Just where does demanding some thing from the Fed's get us? p****d off is where it gets us.

Yea, I guess you're right. :wink:
 
Red Bull said:
Do we really expect to see anything done about this?

I doubt if you see anything done- because its not an issue with most folks.. Its not a coffee shop issue, a cold beer issue, a backroom bar b que issue... Most think the only thing wrong the President did was allow a diplomatic delegation to go into a country in the middle of a civil war- with no sound government to protect them... The majority agree that we shouldn't have sent in troops and invaded another sovereignty even after all hell broke lose... Most remember the lesson taught by stupidly invading the sovereign nation of Iraq...

This article echo's the changing attitude on foreign policy which is going more toward the Libertarian thinking of the US staying out of all the foreign conflicts and quit being the policemen of the world...
One of the surveys I saw a couple of weeks ago had over 60% following that attitude...

April 30th, 2014


Should U.S. butt out of international conflicts?


Posted by
CNN Political Editor Paul Steinhauser

Washington (CNN) - Stay out.

That seems to increasingly be the message from Americans when it comes to U.S. involvement in global hotspots, such as the crisis in Ukraine and the bloody civil war in Syria.




Forty-seven percent of people questioned in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll say the United States should be less active in foreign affairs, with 19% saying the country should be more active and three in ten saying the current level is just about right. That's a switch from September 2001, right after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when 37% said the United States should be more active and 14% said the country should be less active in world affairs, with 44% saying the current level was appropriate.

Other recent surveys also indicated a desire by many Americans to stay out of overseas conflicts. Sixty-two percent of people questioned last week in a USA Today/Pew Research Center poll said they were opposed to Washington sending arms and military supplies to Ukraine's government, as it deals with pro-Russian separatists.

By a 54%-39% margin, voters in a Quinnipiac University poll conducted late last month said it was more important for the U.S. "not to get too involved" in the Ukraine crisis rather than "take a firm stand against Russian actions."

And 61% questioned in a CBS News survey from late March said the United States doesn't have a responsibility to do something about the situation between Russia and Ukraine, with only around three in ten saying that Washington had a responsibility to get involved.

"American attitudes have changed since the days after the 9/11 attacks when an interventionist mindset was the norm," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan took care of that, reminding Americans that military actions often have unforeseen consequences."

While the polls indicate many Americans want less U.S. involvement in international affairs, they also suggest that the public's not happy with how President Barack Obama's been handling global hotspots, including the crisis in Ukraine.

Less than four in ten in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey say they approve of how the President's handling foreign policy, an all-time low for Obama in that poll. And according to the ABC News/Washington Post survey released Tuesday, only 34% of the public approves of how the President's dealing with the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, down eight points from early March.

Opposition to the Iraq War was a central theme in then-presidential candidate Obama's successful campaign for the White House in the 2008 election. In his recent week-long trip to Asia, the President defended his current strategy in dealing with international conflicts.

"For some reason, many who were proponents of what I consider to be a disastrous decision to go into Iraq haven't really learned the lesson of the last decade and they just keep playing the same note over and over again. Why? I don't know but my job as commander-in-chief is to look at what is going to advance our security interests over the long term. To keep our military in reserve for when we absolutely need it. There are going to be times where there are disasters and difficulties and challenges around the world and not all of those are going to be immediately solvable by us," Obama said at a news conference on Monday in the Philippines.

Five takeaways from Obama's Philippines news conference

"That attitude mirrors a poll finding in late 2011, when more than seven in ten Americans said that American military force should only be used as a last resort, after economic and diplomatic efforts have failed," Holland notes. "The problem for Obama is that the public may be just as unhappy with the consequences of inaction as they would have been with any military action."
 
Only a super stupid person could stretch the Benghazi fiasco into a "Blame Bush" rant.

:lol: :lol:

Of course dementia & psychosis would somewhat explain it.

Oh, and your boy Buckwheat is doing an exteremely fine, jam up job of protecting Ukraine from Russian invasion like we promised.
The Budapest Memorandum was signed by Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine – as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union

Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.
 
Oldtimer said:
I doubt if you see anything done- because its not an issue with most folks.. Its not a coffee shop issue, a cold beer issue, a backroom bar b que issue...


The Fox News Poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R). The poll was conducted by telephone with live interviewers February 9-11, 2014 among a random national sample of 1,006 registered voters (RV).Landline and cell phone telephone numbers were randomly selected for inclusion in the survey using a probability proportionate to size method, which means that phone numbers for each state are proportional to the number of voters in each state. Results based on the full sample have a margin of sampling error of ± 3 percentage points.

31. Should Congress continue to investigate the Obama administration's handling of the terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya that resulted in the deaths of four Americans?

Yes 66%
No31%
(Don't know)3%
 
Oldtimer said:
Red Bull said:
Do we really expect to see anything done about this?

I doubt if you see anything done- because its not an issue with most folks.. Its not a coffee shop issue, a cold beer issue, a backroom bar b que issue... Most think the only thing wrong the President did was allow a diplomatic delegation to go into a country in the middle of a civil war- with no sound government to protect them... The majority agree that we shouldn't have sent in troops and invaded another sovereignty even after all hell broke lose... Most remember the lesson taught by stupidly invading the sovereign nation of Iraq...

This article echo's the changing attitude on foreign policy which is going more toward the Libertarian thinking of the US staying out of all the foreign conflicts and quit being the policemen of the world...
One of the surveys I saw a couple of weeks ago had over 60% following that attitude...

April 30th, 2014


Should U.S. butt out of international conflicts?


Posted by
CNN Political Editor Paul Steinhauser

Washington (CNN) - Stay out.

That seems to increasingly be the message from Americans when it comes to U.S. involvement in global hotspots, such as the crisis in Ukraine and the bloody civil war in Syria.




Forty-seven percent of people questioned in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll say the United States should be less active in foreign affairs, with 19% saying the country should be more active and three in ten saying the current level is just about right. That's a switch from September 2001, right after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when 37% said the United States should be more active and 14% said the country should be less active in world affairs, with 44% saying the current level was appropriate.

Other recent surveys also indicated a desire by many Americans to stay out of overseas conflicts. Sixty-two percent of people questioned last week in a USA Today/Pew Research Center poll said they were opposed to Washington sending arms and military supplies to Ukraine's government, as it deals with pro-Russian separatists.

By a 54%-39% margin, voters in a Quinnipiac University poll conducted late last month said it was more important for the U.S. "not to get too involved" in the Ukraine crisis rather than "take a firm stand against Russian actions."

And 61% questioned in a CBS News survey from late March said the United States doesn't have a responsibility to do something about the situation between Russia and Ukraine, with only around three in ten saying that Washington had a responsibility to get involved.

"American attitudes have changed since the days after the 9/11 attacks when an interventionist mindset was the norm," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan took care of that, reminding Americans that military actions often have unforeseen consequences."

While the polls indicate many Americans want less U.S. involvement in international affairs, they also suggest that the public's not happy with how President Barack Obama's been handling global hotspots, including the crisis in Ukraine.

Less than four in ten in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey say they approve of how the President's handling foreign policy, an all-time low for Obama in that poll. And according to the ABC News/Washington Post survey released Tuesday, only 34% of the public approves of how the President's dealing with the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, down eight points from early March.

Opposition to the Iraq War was a central theme in then-presidential candidate Obama's successful campaign for the White House in the 2008 election. In his recent week-long trip to Asia, the President defended his current strategy in dealing with international conflicts.

"For some reason, many who were proponents of what I consider to be a disastrous decision to go into Iraq haven't really learned the lesson of the last decade and they just keep playing the same note over and over again. Why? I don't know but my job as commander-in-chief is to look at what is going to advance our security interests over the long term. To keep our military in reserve for when we absolutely need it. There are going to be times where there are disasters and difficulties and challenges around the world and not all of those are going to be immediately solvable by us," Obama said at a news conference on Monday in the Philippines.

Five takeaways from Obama's Philippines news conference

"That attitude mirrors a poll finding in late 2011, when more than seven in ten Americans said that American military force should only be used as a last resort, after economic and diplomatic efforts have failed," Holland notes. "The problem for Obama is that the public may be just as unhappy with the consequences of inaction as they would have been with any military action."

It might not be a backroom bar issue, but I know MANY people who care
about this country that are disgusted with the Obama Administration
in regards to the Benghazi cover-up in the fact the the terrorists that attacked are still out there.
Didn't Obama say they would be captured, that he wouldn't let this go?
What do you think has been done about that, OT?

Also the people on Facebook haven't let this go. There are a lot of 'Shares'
when anything about Benghazi comes up and it comes up regularly. There
are regular posts linking Hilary to Benghazi as well.
 
As long as we pay a bunch of liars to run the country for us, all we are gonna get is lies and excuses. One bunch tells lies about what happened and the other bunch makes excuse's for nothing being done about it.
 

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