Bill Bullard quote

[Big Muddy rancher]

OT, why don't you believe the fact that Canadian beef is produced under the same protocols as US beef?

The USDA stamp is a grade stamp showing specific characteristics of quallity. Do you think consumers are too dumb to understand that?

MRJ

Whether you call it "dumb" or "ignorant of the facts", or whatever, I'll GUARANTEE you that the vast majority of consumers don't know what that stamp means.

Sandhusker do they care as long as the meat is safe. That is the job of the USDA to make sure meat is safe.

 

[rancher]

OT, why don't you believe the fact that Canadian beef is produced under the same protocols as US beef?

The USDA stamp is a grade stamp showing specific characteristics of quallity. Do you think consumers are too dumb to understand that?

MRJ

Then why does NCBA want to take it away from the Canadains shipping beef over. They don't want the USDA stamp on it?

 

[rancher]

The way you two (Rancher and Oldtimer) speak about the average US consumer you would think they may not even know that the US had a case within their own borders. Is that why they are still eating Beef in the US? Do the US consumers know about the Washington cow in the US slaughter plant? Do they know there are millions of other Canadian cattle living somewhere in the US herd? Do they care that these cattle will be GRANDFATHERED into the US herd and if they are labeled in the future they will be considered US beef because no one in the US can find them to identify them as Canadian cattle? Do the US consumers know just how much Canadian feed has been eaten by US cattle over the past ten to fifteen years? If you label the beef do these consumer not deserve to know that the burger that they just ate at a fast food joint may have been imported. If you label all the meat they see in the meat counter will they not also believe that what they eat out is also US beef? If you really want the consumer to know where their beef comes from why don't you really let them know who raised it by tagging every animal to prove place of birth. Then if someone gets sick from the US beef they will know exactly who raised that beef.

If the check-off goes to advertising beef, then we can advertise to ask for USA beef when they eat out. If someone gets sick from the US beef they should know if it came from USA or you.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

The way you two (Rancher and Oldtimer) speak about the average US consumer you would think they may not even know that the US had a case within their own borders. Is that why they are still eating Beef in the US? Do the US consumers know about the Washington cow in the US slaughter plant? Do they know there are millions of other Canadian cattle living somewhere in the US herd? Do they care that these cattle will be GRANDFATHERED into the US herd and if they are labeled in the future they will be considered US beef because no one in the US can find them to identify them as Canadian cattle? Do the US consumers know just how much Canadian feed has been eaten by US cattle over the past ten to fifteen years? If you label the beef do these consumer not deserve to know that the burger that they just ate at a fast food joint may have been imported. If you label all the meat they see in the meat counter will they not also believe that what they eat out is also US beef? If you really want the consumer to know where their beef comes from why don't you really let them know who raised it by tagging every animal to prove place of birth. Then if someone gets sick from the US beef they will know exactly who raised that beef.

If the check-off goes to advertising beef, then we can advertise to ask for USA beef when they eat out. If someone gets sick from the US beef they should know if it came from USA or you.

Go ahead and advertise US beef just don't collect checkoff from Imported beef. :cowboy:

 

[rancher]

Sounds good to me Big Muddy.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Sounds good to me Big Muddy.

rancher you say your roads are dusty heck we have dust blowing off the lake on the north side of the ranch. :cowboy:

 

[rancher]

At least you have dirt, my dams don't even have dirt in them anymore.

 

[mrj]

Whether you call it "dumb" or "ignorant of the facts", or whatever, I'll GUARANTEE you that the vast majority of consumers don't know what that stamp means.

I had NO clue thst USDA didn't mean inspected U.S.of A. beef. I knew it had to do with being inspected but I would of never thunk it was beef from other countries with a USDA stamp on it. I didn't know til y'all told me.

Don't feel bad reader-- I didn't either until about 6 years ago when the NCBA leadership convinced me of how important it was to tell consumers the truth and have mandatory Country of Origin Labeling-- then for whatever reason NCBA flipflopped and agreed with the packers that it was OK to deceive the consumer........

OT, unless you can show proof of that statement, you are deceiving us again.

Just because, as I'm quite certain is the case, NCBA has NOT YET achieved success in our resolution calling for proper use of USDA Grade and Inspection stamps does not mean the organization has changed the stand on it.

MRJ

 

[rancher]

OT, unless you can show proof of that statement, you are deceiving us again.

Just because, as I'm quite certain is the case, NCBA has NOT YET achieved success in our resolution calling for proper use of USDA Grade and Inspection stamps does not mean the organization has changed the stand on it.

MRJ

What is the reason that NCBA states is doesn't want USDA stamps on imported beef from Canada? and others

 

[Anonymous]

I had NO clue thst USDA didn't mean inspected U.S.of A. beef. I knew it had to do with being inspected but I would of never thunk it was beef from other countries with a USDA stamp on it. I didn't know til y'all told me.

Don't feel bad reader-- I didn't either until about 6 years ago when the NCBA leadership convinced me of how important it was to tell consumers the truth and have mandatory Country of Origin Labeling-- then for whatever reason NCBA flipflopped and agreed with the packers that it was OK to deceive the consumer........

OT, unless you can show proof of that statement, you are deceiving us again.

Just because, as I'm quite certain is the case, NCBA has NOT YET achieved success in our resolution calling for proper use of USDA Grade and Inspection stamps does not mean the organization has changed the stand on it.

MRJ

MRJ- What proof do you want?

NCBA originated the idea of and supported mandatory COOL- even proposed and supported the original legislation-- it was opposed by the packers- then the NCBA completely changed their official position and has opposed mandatory COOL- still do.......

That to me is proof they flipflopped on their position and are supporting a position that the packers also support......

Or do you deny the NCBA supported mandatory COOL?

 

[feeder]

I have proof from an inspector that at least 15 years ago he would inspect Canadian beef and take samples to label it inedible or edible. He said never in his career did he ever put a USDA stamp on it, he couldn't. He said rules could have changed since then but it is so hard for him to believe it is going on. If it is, he said, it is WRONG,WRONG,WRONG, on the USDA behalf. I believe we need a good house cleaning. We just visited about this subject tonight at a B-Day party for the granddaughter.

 

[Anonymous]

I have proof from an inspector that at least 15 years ago he would inspect Canadian beef and take samples to label it inedible or edible. He said never in his career did he ever put a USDA stamp on it, he couldn't. He said rules could have changed since then but it is so hard for him to believe it is going on. If it is, he said, it is WRONG,WRONG,WRONG, on the USDA behalf. I believe we need a good house cleaning. We just visited about this subject tonight at a B-Day party for the granddaughter.

feeder- When boxed beef comes across the line it is in boxes marked product of Canada- but when it goes to the retailer it is repackaged and a USDA inspected stamp is put on the package....Swinging beef came across with the CFIA stamp on it- which can then be cut off in the butchering process and the beef again put into packages with the USDA inspected stamp put on- giving the consumers the impression it is a US product.....Ask the old inspector if he has ever seen any beef in US gocery stores that are labeled "Product of Canada"-- or if he sees any that has a CFIA inspected stamp or labeling.... Probably not, even tho Canada is exporting tons of beef into the US....Also under current rules imported beef can receive the USDA prime, choice, select labeling-- this is one thing NCBA has fought against for years......

 

[feeder]

Yep, Oldtimer, I wanted to ask him that but thought I'd wait till we were in the fishing boat together. We can talk better just the two of us than when other people are around. He's my dad and he believed in the USDA so much, so it will be a challenge for him to see the light!! You know how dads can be!!! Taking off for South Dakota to get the crops in there so will be off ranchers for awhile. Good luck to all.

 

[Sandhusker]

Most consumers don't know what "USDA inspected" means huh?

Ah......let's see now........USDA.......United States Department of Agriculture.........ahhhh.........."inspected".........ahhhhh......... to examine carefully for faults, errors, etc.............ahhhh.......ummmmm.....YEH, THAT MUST MEAN IT IS A PRODUCT OF THE U.S.

DUH???????

Sorry, I'm just a stupid consumer who doesn't know the definition of words.



~SH~

OK, SH. Lets you and I go to a supermarket in Suburbia, USA, set up a table at the meat counter and ask people what they think "that stamp on their meat" means. I'll give you $20 for each time they answer correctly, you pay me the same for each time they don't.

 

[mrj]

Don't feel bad reader-- I didn't either until about 6 years ago when the NCBA leadership convinced me of how important it was to tell consumers the truth and have mandatory Country of Origin Labeling-- then for whatever reason NCBA flipflopped and agreed with the packers that it was OK to deceive the consumer........

OT, unless you can show proof of that statement, you are deceiving us again.

Just because, as I'm quite certain is the case, NCBA has NOT YET achieved success in our resolution calling for proper use of USDA Grade and Inspection stamps does not mean the organization has changed the stand on it.

MRJ

MRJ- What proof do you want?

Some semblance of facts to your implications that because packers oppose COOL they influenced NCBA to do so.

I for one, do not care if NCBA did support M-COOL, I would not, unless there was M-ID in the law as well as NO exemptions. The current law is absolute fraud on the consumer, besides being un-enforceable under trade laws.

NCBA originated the idea of and supported mandatory COOL- even proposed and supported the original legislation-- it was opposed by the packers- then the NCBA completely changed their official position and has opposed mandatory COOL- still do.......

That to me is proof they flipflopped on their position and are supporting a position that the packers also support......

Or do you deny the NCBA supported mandatory COOL?

I don't know the facts around your accusation on a M-COOL. If they did, at some point, support such, one good guess is the fact that trade rules prevented a COOL law then, just like they do now. Why is it a flip-flop, and somehow evil when NCBA members change course on an issue, yet it is perfectly fine when R-CALF does so? Case in point: their flip-flop, even denial of statements about the safety of Canadian beef?

MRJ

 

[Anonymous]

MRJ- You must be conveniently losing a lot of memory-- Only been about 100 posts on here over the last couple of years showing NCBA's support of mandatory COOL- the NCBA officers Congressional testimony showing how important it is- the NCBA sponsored surveys showing that large percentages of consumers supported it........

That was only 5 or 6 years ago-- Weren't you an active member then?