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Brazil beef coming the the U.S.

Faster horses said:
That link didn't work, H76.

Where's R-Calf? Why haven't they jumped all over this...they didn't want Canadian cattle so how about Brazil cattle? :?
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They have been expressing their opposition- especially because of all the FMD in South America which we don't need introduced into North America...

http://www.globalmeatnews.com/Livestock/US-considers-reopening-to-Brazilian-fresh-beef
 
I feel for the people tha lost cattle in the October blizzard but we all lose them whether it's to wolves, weather or whatever. It would ease the pain more if we could all sell them on an even market instead of a tipped one. Maybe I've got a bit of Rcalf mentality but in my eyes the US cow herd and the Canadian one are the same. Pretty much all raised under similar (?) protocols. Most anything south of the Mexican line is a different deal. Most but not all. Nobody on here is going to tell the difference in a Hereford cow/ Brahma cow or a black cow that comes from either side of the US's southern border...IF they are both raised under the same conditions. What I'm getting at is maybe if the Bill Bullards of the world would pull their heads out of their butts and work with countries that play by the rules this would be a healthier industry. The cow herd up here has been knocked to its knees. If the incentive was there for it to grow back to its former size, JBS wouldn't need to bring in more SA beef.
Oldtimer: you're an opinionated Rcalf backing expert. I have a question. Do you think you could tell the difference in a chunk of meat from one of my steers or yours? Breed type, raising, finishing and packaging being the same.
My bet is that 50% of the time you're going to piss your pants by calling the wrong one good.
Don't you think that maybe Bill the Leach should get a leash or a rabies shot. The more of his crap that gets spewed out the deeper the hole. But as long as the puppets believe in him the longer he can carry on raking in his paycheck.
 
bearvalley said:
I feel for the people tha lost cattle in the October blizzard but we all lose them whether it's to wolves, weather or whatever. It would ease the pain more if we could all sell them on an even market instead of a tipped one. Maybe I've got a bit of Rcalf mentality but in my eyes the US cow herd and the Canadian one are the same. Pretty much all raised under similar (?) protocols. Most anything south of the Mexican line is a different deal. Most but not all. Nobody on here is going to tell the difference in a Hereford cow/ Brahma cow or a black cow that comes from either side of the US's southern border...IF they are both raised under the same conditions. What I'm getting at is maybe if the Bill Bullards of the world would pull their heads out of their butts and work with countries that play by the rules this would be a healthier industry. The cow herd up here has been knocked to its knees. If the incentive was there for it to grow back to its former size, JBS wouldn't need to bring in more SA beef.
Oldtimer: you're an opinionated Rcalf backing expert. I have a question. Do you think you could tell the difference in a chunk of meat from one of my steers or yours? Breed type, raising, finishing and packaging being the same.
My bet is that 50% of the time you're going to p*** your pants by calling the wrong one good.
Don't you think that maybe Bill the Leach should get a leash or a rabies shot. The more of his crap that gets spewed out the deeper the hole. But as long as the puppets believe in him the longer he can carry on raking in his paycheck.
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Nope......

And as I've said- I'm willing to put all the sh*t that's flowed under the bridge from both countries aside- and would not care if it (US and Canadian) were labeled North American... I truly don't believe most consumers fear Canadian beef that much anymore...
EXCEPT
You forget that Mexico is part of North America- and NAFTA --and without our current specific labeling law would have to be labeled the same... And as you said- there are lots of scarey happenings when you talk about cattle/beef/foodstuffs that come from south of the border...

And because of all these problems with foodstuffs from south of the border is one of the main reasons the consumers of the country asked our Congressmen to pass a Country Of Origin Labeling Law-- and include meat/beef products in it...

And now Canada- rather than play along with the US and agree to honest transparent labeling for the consumers in both countries- have crawled into bed with Mexico- slapping not only the US consumer in the face by challenging our national sovereignty , but also the Canadian consumer by wanting to allow the Packers/Retailers to pawn off cheap, questionable quality Mexican and South American beef...

Before this Brazil stuff heads north- Canada owes its consumers an honest COOL - labeling law....
 
Oldtimer said:
bearvalley said:
I feel for the people tha lost cattle in the October blizzard but we all lose them whether it's to wolves, weather or whatever. It would ease the pain more if we could all sell them on an even market instead of a tipped one. Maybe I've got a bit of Rcalf mentality but in my eyes the US cow herd and the Canadian one are the same. Pretty much all raised under similar (?) protocols. Most anything south of the Mexican line is a different deal. Most but not all. Nobody on here is going to tell the difference in a Hereford cow/ Brahma cow or a black cow that comes from either side of the US's southern border...IF they are both raised under the same conditions. What I'm getting at is maybe if the Bill Bullards of the world would pull their heads out of their butts and work with countries that play by the rules this would be a healthier industry. The cow herd up here has been knocked to its knees. If the incentive was there for it to grow back to its former size, JBS wouldn't need to bring in more SA beef.
Oldtimer: you're an opinionated Rcalf backing expert. I have a question. Do you think you could tell the difference in a chunk of meat from one of my steers or yours? Breed type, raising, finishing and packaging being the same.
My bet is that 50% of the time you're going to p*** your pants by calling the wrong one good.
Don't you think that maybe Bill the Leach should get a leash or a rabies shot. The more of his crap that gets spewed out the deeper the hole. But as long as the puppets believe in him the longer he can carry on raking in his paycheck.
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Nope......

And as I've said- I'm willing to put all the sh*t that's flowed under the bridge from both countries aside- and would not care if it (US and Canadian) were labeled North American... I truly don't believe most consumers fear Canadian beef that much anymore...
EXCEPT
You forget that Mexico is part of North America- and NAFTA --and without our current specific labeling law would have to be labeled the same... And as you said- there are lots of scarey happenings when you talk about cattle/beef/foodstuffs that come from south of the border...

And because of all these problems with foodstuffs from south of the border is one of the main reasons the consumers of the country asked our Congressmen to pass a Country Of Origin Labeling Law-- and include meat/beef products in it...

And now Canada- rather than play along with the US and agree to honest transparent labeling for the consumers in both countries- have crawled into bed with Mexico- slapping not only the US consumer in the face by challenging our national sovereignty , but also the Canadian consumer by wanting to allow the Packers/Retailers to pawn off cheap, questionable quality Mexican and South American beef...

Before this Brazil stuff heads north- Canada owes its consumers an honest COOL - labeling law....
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Oldtimer, the way you squirm around on the top rail you're gonna get a chaff where only you can rub on the salve. Last week your gloating how COOL is gonna even it up for all the cheap meat and cattle that rolled by your gate in the past. Now your applauding COOL because it's gonna protect US and Canadian consumers from Mexican beef. Not all Mexican beef is junk. In the same token not all Canadian or US beef is first rate. What did you think of your famous California Forklift cow. If that hadn't been caught on camera your kids or in your case grand kids would have ate her in your USA lunch program.
I wouldn't have fed her to my dogs. As to NAFTA, it's there and should be honoured. You can't eat the pie and leave the crust. But you know what if the trail goes the way you and Bullard and your cronies want, I think the cattlemen on the Canadian end of this s***stick should think about starting our own Rcalf.......Reject Completely All Leeches Fund. Kind of a catchy Made in Canada title, don't you think. In house up here we can use our cattle. Nothing in. Nothing out. But you know what? You guys are going to be short. So JBS and the gang can dig a little deeper into Old Mexico, scrape the bottom a little harder an bring you some more Corrientes. And if that don't do it, here comes Brazil. So much for your Packers and Stockyards Act. No part of it can dictate the number of cattle under the Batista families control down there. Don't you think you would be better off supporting the agreements made instead of babbling b*llsh*t all the time. Or maybe you just don't understand the cattle business enough to grasp what I'm saying. Do you grow good wheat? I bet your term as Sheriff was a real peach, eh' Lawdog. But then your probably old enough to live on Social Securiy while you sit at your computer and make believe your a real cowman. Or riding a bucking horse. Or the Lone Ranger. Or whatever........Adios for now
 
bearvalley said:
Oldtimer said:
bearvalley said:
I feel for the people tha lost cattle in the October blizzard but we all lose them whether it's to wolves, weather or whatever. It would ease the pain more if we could all sell them on an even market instead of a tipped one. Maybe I've got a bit of Rcalf mentality but in my eyes the US cow herd and the Canadian one are the same. Pretty much all raised under similar (?) protocols. Most anything south of the Mexican line is a different deal. Most but not all. Nobody on here is going to tell the difference in a Hereford cow/ Brahma cow or a black cow that comes from either side of the US's southern border...IF they are both raised under the same conditions. What I'm getting at is maybe if the Bill Bullards of the world would pull their heads out of their butts and work with countries that play by the rules this would be a healthier industry. The cow herd up here has been knocked to its knees. If the incentive was there for it to grow back to its former size, JBS wouldn't need to bring in more SA beef.
Oldtimer: you're an opinionated Rcalf backing expert. I have a question. Do you think you could tell the difference in a chunk of meat from one of my steers or yours? Breed type, raising, finishing and packaging being the same.
My bet is that 50% of the time you're going to p*** your pants by calling the wrong one good.
Don't you think that maybe Bill the Leach should get a leash or a rabies shot. The more of his crap that gets spewed out the deeper the hole. But as long as the puppets believe in him the longer he can carry on raking in his paycheck.
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Nope......

And as I've said- I'm willing to put all the sh*t that's flowed under the bridge from both countries aside- and would not care if it (US and Canadian) were labeled North American... I truly don't believe most consumers fear Canadian beef that much anymore...
EXCEPT
You forget that Mexico is part of North America- and NAFTA --and without our current specific labeling law would have to be labeled the same... And as you said- there are lots of scarey happenings when you talk about cattle/beef/foodstuffs that come from south of the border...

And because of all these problems with foodstuffs from south of the border is one of the main reasons the consumers of the country asked our Congressmen to pass a Country Of Origin Labeling Law-- and include meat/beef products in it...

And now Canada- rather than play along with the US and agree to honest transparent labeling for the consumers in both countries- have crawled into bed with Mexico- slapping not only the US consumer in the face by challenging our national sovereignty , but also the Canadian consumer by wanting to allow the Packers/Retailers to pawn off cheap, questionable quality Mexican and South American beef...

Before this Brazil stuff heads north- Canada owes its consumers an honest COOL - labeling law....
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Oldtimer, the way you squirm around on the top rail you're gonna get a chaff where only you can rub on the salve. Last week your gloating how COOL is gonna even it up for all the cheap meat and cattle that rolled by your gate in the past. Now your applauding COOL because it's gonna protect US and Canadian consumers from Mexican beef. Not all Mexican beef is junk. In the same token not all Canadian or US beef is first rate. What did you think of your famous California Forklift cow. If that hadn't been caught on camera your kids or in your case grand kids would have ate her in your USA lunch program.
I wouldn't have fed her to my dogs. As to NAFTA, it's there and should be honoured. You can't eat the pie and leave the crust. But you know what if the trail goes the way you and Bullard and your cronies want, I think the cattlemen on the Canadian end of this s***stick should think about starting our own Rcalf.......Reject Completely All Leeches Fund. Kind of a catchy Made in Canada title, don't you think. In house up here we can use our cattle. Nothing in. Nothing out. But you know what? You guys are going to be short. So JBS and the gang can dig a little deeper into Old Mexico, scrape the bottom a little harder an bring you some more Corrientes. And if that don't do it, here comes Brazil. So much for your Packers and Stockyards Act. No part of it can dictate the number of cattle under the Batista families control down there. Don't you think you would be better off supporting the agreements made instead of babbling b*llsh*t all the time. Or maybe you just don't understand the cattle business enough to grasp what I'm saying. Do you grow good wheat? I bet your term as Sheriff was a real peach, eh' Lawdog. But then your probably old enough to live on Social Securiy while you sit at your computer and make believe your a real cowman. Or riding a bucking horse. Or the Lone Ranger. Or whatever........Adios for now
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I know there are some Canadians that want to continue to live in self pity and misery and believe all their problems stem from Americans and especially folks like Leo McDonnell, Bill Bullard and R-CALF-- and think they were the only country targeted by the M-COOL law--- but if you go back Brazil and Argentina have been two of the top Central/South American countries many cattlemen (especially those in R-CALF) have had concerns with for years and years- along with Mexico ... R-CALF opposed the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), mainly over much of the same animal disease, environmental, and drug usage issues that have consumers wanting to be able to make an informed decision on what countries their meat products were in/from....

Bearvalley- if you'd have been around this site a few years ago- I was arguing then that you folks up in Canada may want to get your so-called cattlemans associations to looking at some COOL labeling laws back then-- because as was proven during the BSE issue- these multinational corporations that make up the packing industry have no loyalty to you (Canada or any other country) at all-- they will go wherever they can get product cheapest and make the fastest buck...
And the cheap(er) Canadian imports of years ago proved that they can reek havoc on a cattle market...

As far as your your personal attacks- yep, I did a good share of living in the time to get to this age- and you will not get me to regret a bit of it... As I get older, I get more tolerant (the reason I would be willing to forgive the Canadians all their misdeeds that riled me before) and I see how history repeats itself.... I remember quite well how the multinational packers rode roughshod through first the American cattleman- and later the Canadian cattleman when they had the chance-- and am certain they will not hesitate a second to do the same if they get another chance at another cheap import they can fraudulently pass off as domestic product ...Especially when one of the major multinational players- JBS- has more loyalties to Brazil than anywhere else...

 
Good post Oldtimer. I'm starting to think maybe there is a human behind the computer screen. As to pity, I sure as h*ll don't want any. The point I'm trying to get across is that the more negativity on beef the more it's going to hurt everyone in the end. NAFTA is here so why don't the 3 partners try to work together as to supply and quality. When Canadian and Mexican product is singled out and deemed inferior you can bet your *ss that there are US consumers that question yours as well.
As to Bullard, the man makes me want to gag. There was a time in your countries history when he would have been labeled a SNAKE OIL SALESMAN or a CARPETBAGGER. How he can maintain a bunch of loyal followers is beyond me. But every pack of Wolves (or coyotes) has an ALPHA or 2.
Rcalf is nothing but a Carpetbagger tool hidden behind the pretence that it's mission is to save the ma & pa beef producer. Sure was funny when the BSE wreck came down and one of the Loyal members( large US Charolais seed stock operator) got stuck with a bunch of over cooked fat cattle on the wrong side of the line. I think it's a little two faced when a group preaches one thing while some of their STAR members are doing the opposite. How many of you Rcalfers want some cheaper Canadian feeders? Or some 1/2 price Canadian breds? Send me a PM and we can work something out on a profit share deal. But don't give my number to Bill. Lol.
As I said before as long as the Cargils, Tyson's and JBS's can keep us bickering among ourselves the deeper they can skim the cream.
 
OT is the type of human being that will make false accusations against a person, country, for his own political benefit, and then when needed, try to make friends again with that entity.

He's scum...anyone that would once again believe him, is suspect.

Hey OT: quit contacting me. I do not want to have anything to do with you. NO, I will not forgive you . I will not smooth over, with Ranchers, what you did/said. Deal with it...
 
hypocritexposer said:
OT is the type of human being that will make false accusations against a person, country, for his own political benefit, and then when needed, try to make friends again with that entity.

He's scum...anyone that would once again believe him, is suspect.

Hey OT: quit contacting me. I do not want to have anything to do with you. NO, I will not forgive you . I will not smooth over, with Ranchers, what you did/said. Deal with it...
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Please allow Macon to look into your PM's and show these alleged ones from me.... I will give him full authorization from this end...

I have no reason to- and have not tried to communicate with Hypocrit or anyone else on this site unless returning a message from them....

So Hypo you old sh*t stirrer-- don't lose any sleep because I have absolutely no reason to communicate with you in any way...
 
lol at oldtimer,,,, others have same the same offer,to you on your accusations
in the past,,, did not do any good on your end so why should anyone else provide any proof YOU never do!!! :mad:
 
hopalong said:
lol at oldtimer,,,, others have same the same offer,to you on your accusations
in the past,,, did not do any good on your end so why should anyone else provide any proof YOU never do!!! :mad:
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You have to remember- I only, as a moderator, communicated the claims of several ladies who contacted me as the moderator and alleged they felt threatened by some of the unsolicited contact by some posters on this site... It wasn't me making the complaint- it was other posters.... And after I communicated their claims- the stalking and annoying contact quit...

Most these ladies left this site- but I still communicate with them regularly thru other media-- and have found them much more honest and trustworthy than an anonymous hypocrite whatever that lists his residence as the real world or the multi ID posters that have to talk to themselves to build their ego ...
 
Oldtimer said:
hopalong said:
lol at oldtimer,,,, others have same the same offer,to you on your accusations
in the past,,, did not do any good on your end so why should anyone else provide any proof YOU never do!!! :mad:
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You have to remember- I only, as a moderator, communicated the claims of several ladies who contacted me as the moderator and alleged they felt threatened by some of the unsolicited contact by some posters on this site... It wasn't me making the complaint- it was other posters.... And after I communicated their claims- the stalking and annoying contact quit...

Most these ladies left this site- but I still communicate with them regularly thru other media-- and have found them much more honest and trustworthy than an anonymous hypocrite whatever that lists his residence as the real world or the multi ID posters that have to talk to themselves to build their ego ...
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But then again, you could be lying. (A common occurance for you.)
 
Friday, December 07, 2012

ATYPICAL BSE BRAZIL 2010 FINALLY CONFIRMED OIE 2012

http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2012/12/atypical-bse-brazil-2010-finally.html



SEE U.K. LIVE CATTLE EXPORT TO BRAZIL HERE ;

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060715141954/http://bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab11.pdf



SEE U.K. BEEF AND VEAL EXPORT TO BRAZIL HERE ;

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060715141954/http://bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab10.pdf



SEE U.K. SEMEN TO BRAZIL HERE ;

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060715141954/http://bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab04.pdf



SEE U.K. DEAD ANIMAL PDT AND ANIMALS NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION EXPORT TO BRAZIL 1995

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060715141954/http://bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab01.pdf



SEE. U.K. EMBRYOS EXPORT TO WORLD HERE ;

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060715141954/http://bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab03.pdf



SEE U.K. MEAT AND BONE MEAL GREAVES EXPORTS TO THE WORLD

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20060715141954/http://bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m12/tab12.pdf


see more here ;



Wednesday, December 19, 2012

Scientific Report of the European Food Safety Authority on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE Risk (GBR) of Brazil

http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2012/12/scientific-report-of-european-food.html



kind regards,
terry
 
12:28 UK, 6th Jan 2014, by Agrimoney.com

Brazil beef exports pose threat - but not to US

A controversial proposal to allow Brazilian beef into the US would have limited impact on world market dynamics – but that would not be the case if China and Saudi Arabia followed suit.

A plan by the US, unveiled last week, to allow Brazilian beef exports into the US appears unlikely to spur huge volumes given that they will still be subject to quota limits.

Indeed, Brazil will have to compete for part of the 64,805-tonne quota allocated to "other countries", compared with the 213,000 tonnes allowed to New Zealand exports and 408,000 tonnes for Australian supplies.

"Outside of the in-quota rate, Brazil won't be competitive on price in the US, leaving limited scope for Brazil to place significant volumes into the US in 2014 even if imports are permitted," said Paul Deane, senior ag economist at Australia & New Zealand Bank.

Paragon Economics and Steiner Consulting said in a report: "The immediate impact of Brazilian beef in the US beef supply picture could be very limited".

'Critical'

The impact on world beef trade dynamics, in particular for Australia, would be far greater if China and Saudi Arabia reopened to Brazilian beef, having introduced bans in 2012 following a reported case of mad cow disease, or BSE, in the state of Parana.

The curbs spurred a surge of more than four-times, to 155,000 tonnes, in Australian beef exports to China in 2013, with shipments to Saudi Arabia jumping above 30,000 tonnes for the first time.

Brazil has a "strong ability" to supply these markets, given that its output is expected to hit a record 10m tonnes this year, against a difficult background for domestic consumption, softened by weak economic growth and consumer confidence.

Overall, "Brazil's beef market access is critical in 2014," Mr Deane said, forecasting a rise of 400,000 tonnes, or 17%, in total beef exports from Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay this year.

'Very scary'

While Brazilian cattle prices, in local terms, averaged R$108 per head in the last three months of 2013 according to Rabobank, up 13% year on year and up 5% quarter on quarter, the impact on exports has been reduced by a weakening real.

"Fresh beef export prices in November averaged $4,656, the highest level of 2013 but still below 2012 levels," Rabobank said.

US farmers have cited fears of importing foot-and-mouth disease as a core concern over the potential opening up to Brazilian imports, a proposal which Beef Magazine termed "very scary".

Paragon Economics and Steiner Consulting said: "Foot-and-mouth disease has no impact on human health but it is a scourge for the cattle industry," in prompting herd losses and trade bans.

US officials say that "fresh beef can be safely imported" from approved Brazilian states "provided certain conditions are met".


http://www.agrimoney.com/news/brazil-beef-exports-pose-threat---but-not-to-us--6636.html
 

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