Sandhusker
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rkaiser said:
Hey, I'll admit you're finding them. However, until you can identify them before they would cross our border, your system doesn't do us any good.
BSE CONFIRMED IN AN ALBERTAN BULL
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Hey, I'll admit you're finding them. However, until you can identify them before they would cross our border, your system doesn't do us any good.
TimH
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TimH said:Sandhusker said:
Either the firewalls that the USA currently has in place are adequate to protect consumers from domestic cases of BSE(now that it has been detected in the USA) or they aren't.
Which way is it, boys??? Sh!t or get off the pot for once.
I guess you fellas "missed" this......... here it is again.....
Either the firewalls that the USA currently has in place are adequate to protect consumers from domestic cases of BSE(now that it has been detected in the USA) or they aren't.
What say you ???? Sandhusker??? Oldtimer??? R-Calf??? Anybody???
Manitoba_Rancher
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Sandhusker said:
I jsut heard it was a 2000 model. Maybe its older ? Guess we will have to see the actual report.
Sandhusker
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we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don't worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue. If we look them right in the eye and say that I will guarantee they will keep eating beef
Leo has been calling to improve our ban. He's been wailing about the USDA lowering our standards. He and R-CALF have been very vocal about that. But yet, in the exact same paragraph that he is once gain talking about what we need to do, you try to make him say that we've already done it? :shock: You guys are reaching so far it's rediculous! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Leo has been calling to improve our ban. He's been wailing about the USDA lowering our standards. He and R-CALF have been very vocal about that. But yet, in the exact same paragraph that he is once gain talking about what we need to do, you try to make him say that we've already done it? :shock: You guys are reaching so far it's rediculous! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Kato
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Tim, how can you stop people when they are bound and determined to destroy consumer confidence in the product that their livelihood depends on? Maybe they have chicken barns out behind the windbreak??? :wink: :wink:
I believe what MR said was
It is said to be a 2000 year model.
AKA .. rumour. :shock: Just what you guys thrive on. :roll: :roll: :roll: As long as it's in your favour. :shock: Otherwise if the USDA said the sky was blue you wouldn't believe it.
I believe what MR said was
It is said to be a 2000 year model.
AKA .. rumour. :shock: Just what you guys thrive on. :roll: :roll: :roll: As long as it's in your favour. :shock: Otherwise if the USDA said the sky was blue you wouldn't believe it.
rkaiser
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Sandhusker -
You can't be serious Sandhusker. Look the consumer in the eye? Look em in the eye than and tell them all about our survailance program vs. the USA. Tell em all about Rcalf's answer to survailance. S - S - Shut up.
One positive that will come from this mess will be a stronger will for Canada to test for market access and Mcool or no Mcool -- move into your grocery stores and look
You can't be serious Sandhusker. Look the consumer in the eye? Look em in the eye than and tell them all about our survailance program vs. the USA. Tell em all about Rcalf's answer to survailance. S - S - Shut up.
One positive that will come from this mess will be a stronger will for Canada to test for market access and Mcool or no Mcool -- move into your grocery stores and look
consumer in the eye.
TimH
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Kato said:
I would be curious to find out just what percentage of Oldtimer's(a retired civil servant), and Sandhusker's(a banker) annual income actually depends on selling any cattle they might own ......two of the most vocal R-calf supporters on this site............vocal at least until they are asked a simple question. Then they get pretty quiet.
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Kato said:
If its a bull-- there isn't much doubt that its probably POST feedban...Or do you see a lot of 10+ year old bulls around your country- Kato....Like I said around here few keep them past about 4 years of age--usually 5 at the most...
Manitoba_Rancher
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OT,
You boys must not take good care of them bulls. Alot in this area that are in that 5-10 year bracket. When people get good bulls they hang on to them. Plus when you figure in that culls havent been worth a whole lot some guys have hung on to their good bulls til they are ready to be put down. I know cause I ve got two older herd bulls that are 15 years old.
You boys must not take good care of them bulls. Alot in this area that are in that 5-10 year bracket. When people get good bulls they hang on to them. Plus when you figure in that culls havent been worth a whole lot some guys have hung on to their good bulls til they are ready to be put down. I know cause I ve got two older herd bulls that are 15 years old.
EDMONTON, Feb 07, 2007 (The Canadian Press via COMTEX) -- Canada has confirmed its ninth case of mad cow disease since 2003, in an Alberta bull.
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency said Wednesday a mature bull that died on a farm last week tested positive for bovine spongiform encephalopathy. Dr. George Luterbach, the agency's senior veterinarian for Western Canada, said the animal's death caused it to be identified as an "animal of interest" at the farm level as part of a national surveillance program.
Provincial and federal tests then confirmed the BSE.
Luterbach wouldn't identify where in the province the animal was when it died.
"Where the animal is found at the time of its death is not as important as where it lived in its first year of life, insofar as BSE has been associated - mostly associated - with consumption of contaminated feed in its first year of life."
An investigation is underway to find other animals born within a year of the bull that may have been exposed to the same feed source, Luterbach said.
"These animals are removed, destroyed, tested and disposed of in a manner that they do not enter into the feed system," he said, adding officials are certain this particular bull also did not enter the feed system.
He said preliminary findings suggest the bull was born and raised in Alberta.
Eight previous cases of BSE have been detected in Canadian cattle since May 2003, when the discovery of an Alberta cow with the disease caused the United States to slam the border shut to cattle exports entirely.
The border reopened for Canadian beef from younger cattle within months of the original ban. But live cattle have only been allowed to move across the border since July 2005.
Five new cases were discovered in Canada in 2006, including one in a cow born five years after safeguards were adopted to prevent the spread of the disease.
"The small number of cases are, I suppose, unwelcome but on the other hand, not entirely unexpected," Luterbach said, adding other countries have seen a small number of "residual" cases after adopting strict feed regulations.
A ban on using cattle remains in feed in Canada went into effect in 1997 to guard against the spread of BSE.
A new, enhanced feed ban, which comes into effect on July 12, 2007, should see BSE eliminated from the national cattle herd within 10 years, the CFIA has said.
New rules proposed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture that would allow exports of older live Canadian cattle to resume are up for public review until March 12.
Almost one-third of the Canadian beef herd and one-quarter of the total herd is estimated to have been born before 1998.
Luterbach said he doesn't expect the latest case to have a negative impact on these plans.
"What's most important is that there's safeguards, there's a stringent suite of measures in place to prevent and eradicate BSE," he said.
"We are open and transparent with the United States . . . we do not expect that this will negatively impact any of the planned measures proposed."
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency said Wednesday a mature bull that died on a farm last week tested positive for bovine spongiform encephalopathy. Dr. George Luterbach, the agency's senior veterinarian for Western Canada, said the animal's death caused it to be identified as an "animal of interest" at the farm level as part of a national surveillance program.
Provincial and federal tests then confirmed the BSE.
Luterbach wouldn't identify where in the province the animal was when it died.
"Where the animal is found at the time of its death is not as important as where it lived in its first year of life, insofar as BSE has been associated - mostly associated - with consumption of contaminated feed in its first year of life."
An investigation is underway to find other animals born within a year of the bull that may have been exposed to the same feed source, Luterbach said.
"These animals are removed, destroyed, tested and disposed of in a manner that they do not enter into the feed system," he said, adding officials are certain this particular bull also did not enter the feed system.
He said preliminary findings suggest the bull was born and raised in Alberta.
Eight previous cases of BSE have been detected in Canadian cattle since May 2003, when the discovery of an Alberta cow with the disease caused the United States to slam the border shut to cattle exports entirely.
The border reopened for Canadian beef from younger cattle within months of the original ban. But live cattle have only been allowed to move across the border since July 2005.
Five new cases were discovered in Canada in 2006, including one in a cow born five years after safeguards were adopted to prevent the spread of the disease.
"The small number of cases are, I suppose, unwelcome but on the other hand, not entirely unexpected," Luterbach said, adding other countries have seen a small number of "residual" cases after adopting strict feed regulations.
A ban on using cattle remains in feed in Canada went into effect in 1997 to guard against the spread of BSE.
A new, enhanced feed ban, which comes into effect on July 12, 2007, should see BSE eliminated from the national cattle herd within 10 years, the CFIA has said.
New rules proposed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture that would allow exports of older live Canadian cattle to resume are up for public review until March 12.
Almost one-third of the Canadian beef herd and one-quarter of the total herd is estimated to have been born before 1998.
Luterbach said he doesn't expect the latest case to have a negative impact on these plans.
"What's most important is that there's safeguards, there's a stringent suite of measures in place to prevent and eradicate BSE," he said.
"We are open and transparent with the United States . . . we do not expect that this will negatively impact any of the planned measures proposed."
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
Seems to me when they get past the 4 or so years age you start running into chances of inbreeding with their own daughters unless you have divided pastures (and know exactly who sired what), much higher risks of STD's, and a lot of those old bulls sometimes don't get out and work like the younger ones- rather lay around...Has to be a darn good bull for me to keep him til 5....
Manitoba_Rancher
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Ot- Its called very intensive management. We buy most of our replacement hiefers so inbreeding isnt something we have to worry bout. These old herd bulls of ours are still in good shape and still breed a few cows every year.
Sandhusker said:
Sandhusker explain how Leo was going to stand and look your consumers right in the eye in June 2005 and tell them about firewalls according you you didn't/don't have? :x Was he going to LIE to them about having them IN PLACE THE ONLY COUNTRY TO HAVE THEM IN PLACE FOR SO MANY YEARS? :x
The problem most people have with R-CALF and their leadership is the truth doesn't matter, as the story they tell depends on the day and who is listening to them at that given moment. And of course the membership that doesn't hold them accountable and will blindly defend every lie they spout. Either you had the firewalls that Leo was going to tell your consumers were IN PLACE or you didn't. which is it? One of his stories was a lie tell us which it was Sandhusker?
Another example of R-CALF flip flop
First WHO implemented the safeguards the US producers or the USDA? :shock:
Who enforced them the US producers or the FDA? :shock:
Who violated the feed ban the USDA and FDA or the US producers? :shock:
If the US producers were doing everything possible to produce safe beef the GAO would not have found so many feed violations in the US industry and the US producers wouldn't be so scared to be held accountable for the cattle they raise!!!!! :roll:
Next since Canada hasn't fed poultry litter and plate waste since 1998 I'd say your rules are NOT more stringent than ours. And if yours were more stringent then why did we hear We can't open the border until we have the same firewall to protect our herd as Canada has? :roll:
R-CALF tells nothing but stories that fit their agenda at the time, and Sandhusker you don't hold them accountable for what they say you just defend what ever crap comes out of Leo and Bill's mouths. :roll:
ranch hand
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plate waste
Would someone explain that one? We can't feed left over food people didn't eat to cows, but people just ate some of it. What moran thought of that one?
Would someone explain that one? We can't feed left over food people didn't eat to cows, but people just ate some of it. What moran thought of that one?
Sandhusker
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TimH said:Kato said:
I would be curious to find out just what percentage of Oldtimer's(a retired civil servant), and Sandhusker's(a banker) annual income actually depends on selling any cattle they might own ......two of the most vocal R-calf supporters on this site............vocal at least until they are asked a simple question. Then they get pretty quiet.
You guys are impossible to please. That 2000 model came from a Canadian.
Not that it's any of your business, Tim, but most of my income does not come directly from cattle. It comes from my job. However, if those that depend directly on selling cattle go down, so does my job and my community. Since cattle are the largest industry in my state, I lose there too. My livelyhood depends on cattle just as much as the guy who's only job if running cows.
Hereford76
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Man... how long has this arguement been going on between you guys?
Big Muddy rancher
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Hereford76 said:
:cowboy: FOREVER
Sandhusker
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Keeps us from fighting with our wives and kids!
Hereford76
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So what would be a possible outcome that the R-Calf guys on here and the Canadians on here could live with?
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Hereford76 said:
Hereford 76--I know the number one thing for me before I could support opening the border would be the M-COOL law so consumers knew if the beef they were buying and eating was Canadian/imported or not and could make their own informed choice...
Then I would be opposed to further opening of the border until the USDA/FDA implement the feedban as proposed by the private industry group that was funded by MacDonalds...
Thirdly before any/anymore Canadian cattle are allowed south the USDA needs to change the J rule and have permanent hot iron brand marking on all live cattle-- an EFFICIENT means of tracking all imported animals in the US, and a guaranteed way to segregate these animals at slaughter for our foreign markets and for the US M-COOL....