I didn't mean doggy I meant rank-I only goit about 50 of that cross so a pretty fair sample-an EXT daughter reminds me alot like a whitetail doe but maybe just a bit wilder. Hate to rain on your showribbons but a sire summary will take you alot furthur than any showring will. We raise probably 90 percent of the bulls we use ourselves-calve on grass-finish all our own calves-we just averaged a 90 buck premium on our second cuts so I think things are going not too bad. Cattle shows are for whiskey and gossip as far as I'm concerned. I'm almost ashamed when my kids win in 4H -gets me thinking I'm doing something wrong here. Hey if the border opens you want a load of EXT's I'll be glad to send some.