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Bulls and calves (pics)

Maybe, I seem to remember a rule about the amount of air versus body ratio. Something like 1/2 to 2/3rds of the height from top line to ground should be body the rest air. The mature bulls pictured clearly show 2/3 + body but a couple of those calves look a little under 1/2 to me. Maybe it is just the growth stage they are at? as I say I know nothing about Hereford calves.
I have seen a few pictures of American show cattle back in the day when legs were all the fashion. Seemed like they had to be under 1/3 body, over 2/3 air to be show winners :roll:
 
Grassfarmer said:
I'm maybe showing my ignorance of the Hereford breed here but some of the calf pictures show cattle that look pretty shallow to my eye. Maybe it's the stage they are at but the first 6050 calf, the first 5603 calf and the last 175 in particular look to lack depth and body. Not trying to run your cattle down - just seeking to learn as I sometimes see things differently to others. I always really enjoy your herd bull pictures - they have piles of depth and are very correct cattle. Love the scenery too.
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I agree some of the calves I pictured look a little shallow. Sometimes after I study a calf a little longer I realize they only appear shallow because they're so stinking long. And they always body down more as they age. When I took pictures this afternoon I seen some of the calves I pictured just a week ago and thought they looked deeper already. Give them a little more time. :wink: :D
 
7/5/09
Soapweed,

Just a kind thought for you to consider.

Why not try some of Ned's cattle (or, Ned's type of cattle)? More likely than not, you will probably be surprised and well gratified.

Take care and best to you and all at/on Ranchers.net !!!

Dave
Maple Edge Herefords
Bloomfield, Connecticut
 
Maple Edge Herefords said:
7/5/09
Soapweed,

Just a kind thought for you to consider.

Why not try some of Ned's cattle (or, Ned's type of cattle)? More likely than not, you will probably be surprised and well gratified.

Take care and best to you and all at/on Ranchers.net !!!

Dave
Maple Edge Herefords
Bloomfield, Connecticut
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What makes you think Soapweed is unhappy with what he is running?
 
7/5/09

Per,

Never said (nor implied) that Soapweed was unhappy.

Soapweed made a very professional assessment and comment about Ned's cattle.

And, in the same manner, I offered a suggestion for him to consider.

As all of us in the cattle business know, we could be satisfied and happy with our present situation. However, a change (and, perhaps a dramatic change) may possibly be surprising and beneficial.

Try it out sometime. Yes, some changes do require the use of intestinal fortitude.

Dave
Maple Edge Herefords
Bloomfield, Connecticut
 
Maple Edge Herefords said:
7/5/09

Per,

Never said (nor implied) that Soapweed was unhappy.

Soapweed made a very professional assessment and comment about Ned's cattle.

And, in the same manner, I offered a suggestion for him to consider.

As all of us in the cattle business know, we could be satisfied and happy with our present situation. However, a change (and, perhaps a dramatic change) may possibly be surprising and beneficial.

Try it out sometime. Yes, some changes do require the use of intestinal fortitude.

Dave
Maple Edge Herefords
Bloomfield, Connecticut
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I wouldn't be totally against trying some Hereford blood back on Angus cows at sometime in the future. Keep in mind that I did grow up with Herefords, so really do have quite a bit of past experience to draw from. :wink:
 
Hereford certainly seem to be one of those breeds that, as Ned said, "body down" with age. In my limited experience I've noticed that not all breeds do this as they mature. Hereford, Tarentaise, Highland, Shorthorn, all can look pretty green until their 1st Birthday. Then they seem to really pack it on. Of course I'm generalizing for conversation's sake. Not every animal in each of those breeds does that, but on average I've noticed it.

I've seen Tarentaise bull calves look real pencil gutted and flat muscled as yearlings, and from 12 mths to 24, they just balloon.

I think Ned has some of the very best Herefords I've ever seen, and I'd love to try one of his bulls on a cross-section of cows one day. Of course, that would require a vacation/trip to go pick one out, and since we're selling more cows right now, there isn't really need for another bull just yet.
 
Maple, I also grew up with Herefords and have some in the background of my herd. I guess your, you should try it sometime, statement made me step back a bit. I also am a bit of a fan of Ned's cattle. I'll try to remember to keep my intestines fortified in the future. :wink:
 
7/6/09

Good Morning Big Muddy,

I hope all is going well for you out there in the Big Muddy Valley. By the way what State/Province are you in?

To answer your question, yes, I did at one time have some black angus. Decided to concentrate on the 'White Faces" and have not regretted in any manner my decision to do so.

So take care and have a nice day and a wonderful year with your cattle.

Dave
MAPLE EDGE HEREFORDS
Bloomfield, Connecticut
 
7/6/09

Soapweed,

Just a short note to thank you for your response of yesterday.

And, to say the least, I believe your vision relating to the make-up of your herd will suite you extremely well. My best wishes to you for all the success in the world.

On another matter, I would like to take a moment (and not steal on Ned's post nor to take away the the positive image/impact that his first-class Herefords make ...) to commend you on the wonderful weekly reports/stories that you post on Ranchers.net. A great job for sure !!

Take care,

Dave
MAPLE EDGE HEREFORDS
Bloomfield, Connecticut
 

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