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Just like with the rest of industry- he just threw out all rules- and laws....Told all the regulators to take an 8 year vacation-- and gave his elitist CEO buddies free run to rape an pillage...And now we, the taxpayers, are paying for it- and will be for generations..... :( :mad:

Bush Was Warned on Mortgage Meltdown

Monday, December 1, 2008 9:27 AM



The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.

"Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories," California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job.

Bowing to aggressive lobbying -- along with assurances from banks that the troubled mortgages were OK -- regulators delayed action for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and the meltdown was under way.

"These mortgages have been considered more safe and sound for portfolio lenders than many fixed-rate mortgages," David Schneider, home loan president of Washington Mutual, told federal regulators in early 2006. Two years later, WaMu became the largest bank failure in U.S. history.

The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of its governing philosophy, which trusted market forces and discounted the value of government intervention in the economy. Its belief ironically has ushered in the most massive government intervention since the 1930s.


Many of the banks that fought to undermine the proposals by some regulators are now either out of business or accepting billions in federal aid to recover from a mortgage crisis they insisted would never come. Many executives remain in high-paying jobs, even after their assurances were proved false.

In 2005, faced with ominous signs the housing market was in jeopardy, bank regulators proposed new guidelines for banks writing risky loans. Today, in the midst of the worst housing recession in a generation, the proposal reads like a list of what-ifs:

--Regulators told bankers exotic mortgages were often inappropriate for buyers with bad credit.

--Banks would have been required to increase efforts to verify that buyers actually had jobs and could afford houses.

--Regulators proposed a cap on risky mortgages so a string of defaults wouldn't be crippling.

--Banks that bundled and sold mortgages were told to be sure investors knew exactly what they were buying.

--Regulators urged banks to help buyers make responsible decisions and clearly advise them that interest rates might skyrocket and huge payments might be due sooner than expected.

Those proposals all were stripped from the final rules. None required congressional approval or the president's signature.

"In hindsight, it was spot on," said Jeffrey Brown, a former top official at the Office of Comptroller of the Currency, one of the first agencies to raise concerns about risky lending.

Federal regulators were especially concerned about mortgages known as "option ARMs," which allow borrowers to make payments so low that mortgage debt actually increases every month. But banking executives accused the government of overreacting.

Bankers said such loans might be risky when approved with no money down or without ensuring buyers have jobs but such risk could be managed without government intervention.

"An open market will mean that different institutions will develop different methodologies for achieving this goal," Joseph Polizzotto, counsel to now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers, told U.S. regulators in a March 2006.

Countrywide Financial Corp., at the time the nation's largest mortgage lender, agreed. The proposal "appears excessive and will inhibit future innovation in the marketplace," said Mary Jane Seebach, managing director of public affairs.

One of the most contested rules said that before banks purchase mortgages from brokers, they should verify the process to ensure buyers could afford their homes. Some bankers now blame much of the housing crisis on brokers who wrote fraudulent, predatory loans. But in 2006, banks said they shouldn't have to double-check the brokers.

"It is not our role to be the regulator for the third-party lenders," wrote Ruthann Melbourne, chief risk officer of IndyMac Bank.

California-based IndyMac also criticized regulators for not recognizing the track record of interest-only loans and option ARMs, which accounted for 70% of IndyMac's 2005 mortgage portfolio. This summer, the government seized IndyMac and will pay an estimated $9 billion to ensure customers don't lose their deposits.

Last week, Downey Savings joined the growing list of failed banks. The problem: About 52% of its mortgage portfolio was tied up in risky option ARMs, which in 2006 Downey insisted were safe -- maybe even safer than traditional 30-year mortgages.

"To conclude that 'nontraditional' equates to higher risk does not appropriately balance risk and compensating factors of these products," said Lillian Gavin, the bank's chief credit officer.

At least some regulators didn't buy it. The comptroller of the currency, John C. Dugan, was among the first to sound the alarm in mid-2005. Speaking to a consumer advocacy group, Dugan painted a troublesome picture of option-ARM lending. Many buyers, particularly those with bad credit, would soon be unable to afford their payments, he said. And if housing prices declined, homeowners wouldn't even be able to sell their way out of the mess.

It sounded simple, but "people kind of looked at us regulators as old-fashioned," said Brown, the agency's former deputy comptroller.

Diane Casey-Landry, of the American Bankers Association, said the industry feared a two-tiered system in which banks had to follow rules that mortgage brokers did not. She said opposition was based on the banks' best information.

"You're looking at a decline in real estate values that was never contemplated," she said.

Some saw problems coming. Community groups and even some in the mortgage business, like Welch, warned regulators not to ease their rules.

"We expect to see a huge increase in defaults, delinquencies and foreclosures as a result of the over selling of these products," Kevin Stein, associate director of the California Reinvestment Coalition, wrote to regulators in 2006. The group advocates on housing and banking issues for low-income and minority residents.

The government's banking agencies spent nearly a year debating the rules, which required unanimous agreement among the OCC, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., Federal Reserve, and the Office of Thrift Supervision -- agencies that sometimes don't agree.

The Fed, for instance, was reluctant under Alan Greenspan to heavily regulate lending. Similarly, the Office of Thrift Supervision, an arm of the Treasury Department that regulated many in the subprime mortgage market, worried that restricting certain mortgages would hurt banks and consumers.

Grovetta Gardineer, OTS managing director for corporate and international activities, said the 2005 proposal "attempted to send an alarm bell that these products are bad." After hearing from banks, she said, regulators were persuaded that the loans themselves were not problematic as long as banks managed the risk. She disputes the notion that the rules were weakened.

In the past year, with Congress scrambling to stanch the bleeding in the financial industry, regulators have tightened rules on risky mortgages.

Congress is considering further tightening, including some of the same proposals abandoned years ago.

http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streettalk/bush_warned_meltodown/2008/12/01/156727.html?s=al&promo_code=723B-1
 
:mad: And Greenspan, a long time opponent of market oversight and a supporter of derivatives, says:

"Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders' equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief," he told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel.html?em
 
fff said:
:mad: And Greenspan, a long time opponent of market oversight and a supporter of derivatives, says:

"Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders' equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief," he told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel.html?em

This has been the way all banking institutions have operated since the beginning of time..Unfortunately you now have some individuals running banks, mortgage company, secondary market companies and even serving as senators and representatives who put SELF interest above their fiduciary duty to protect the shareholders.

Now, OT..tell me exactly what kind of "regulation" would have stopped this????
 
TexasBred said:
fff said:
:mad: And Greenspan, a long time opponent of market oversight and a supporter of derivatives, says:

"Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders' equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief," he told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel.html?em

This has been the way all banking institutions have operated since the beginning of time..Unfortunately you now have some individuals running banks, mortgage company, secondary market companies and even serving as senators and representatives who put SELF interest above their fiduciary duty to protect the shareholders.

Now, OT..tell me exactly what kind of "regulation" would have stopped this????

Maybe the regulation that required the lenders to check out the immigrant status of who they were lending to - along with their ability to pay would have helped...A rule GW had dropped in 2005- and that now many (both R's and D's) Congressmen in California and Colorado along with other states are screaming bloody murder about ....
Congressman Bilbray even called for GW to be indicted for conspiracy in one of the hearings I saw last month :shock:

This has been a pattern we have seen with all regulation involving industry with GW- from the USDA non enforcement of GIPSA and PSA- to FDA and USCPA dropping inspection requirements- to years of GW's non enforcement of the immigration laws...It has also been testified to in Congress by former members of the CFTC that said commodity regulators were "told to take an 8 year coffee break"...
 
Why are you carping about Bush deregulating and not the deregulators on Obama's team? After making a stand before the election about the problems caused by deregulation, you should be incensed by Obama's choices. You got taken for a ride.

"All three advisers — whom Obama will officially name on Monday and Tuesday — have been followers of the economic formula that came to be called Rubinomics: balanced budgets, free trade and financial deregulation, a combination that was credited with fueling the prosperity of the 1990s. "
 
Sandhusker said:
Why are you carping about Bush deregulating and not the deregulators on Obama's team? After making a stand before the election about the problems caused by deregulation, you should be incensed by Obama's choices. You got taken for a ride.

"All three advisers — whom Obama will officially name on Monday and Tuesday — have been followers of the economic formula that came to be called Rubinomics: balanced budgets, free trade and financial deregulation, a combination that was credited with fueling the prosperity of the 1990s. "

A lot of folks are learning what was first learned at the turn of the 20th century- that unregulated, unpoliced financial institutions, commerce, and trade will not work to the benefit of the country as a whole-- as greed takes over and corrupts those involved...
 
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Why are you carping about Bush deregulating and not the deregulators on Obama's team? After making a stand before the election about the problems caused by deregulation, you should be incensed by Obama's choices. You got taken for a ride.

"All three advisers — whom Obama will officially name on Monday and Tuesday — have been followers of the economic formula that came to be called Rubinomics: balanced budgets, free trade and financial deregulation, a combination that was credited with fueling the prosperity of the 1990s. "

A lot of folks are learning what was first learned at the turn of the 20th century- that unregulated, unpoliced financial institutions, commerce, and trade will not work to the benefit of the country as a whole-- as greed takes over and corrupts those involved...

So then you ARE upset with Obama for bemoaning deregulation BEFORE the election and then appointing deregulators AFTER the election.....
 
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Why are you carping about Bush deregulating and not the deregulators on Obama's team? After making a stand before the election about the problems caused by deregulation, you should be incensed by Obama's choices. You got taken for a ride.

"All three advisers — whom Obama will officially name on Monday and Tuesday — have been followers of the economic formula that came to be called Rubinomics: balanced budgets, free trade and financial deregulation, a combination that was credited with fueling the prosperity of the 1990s. "

A lot of folks are learning what was first learned at the turn of the 20th century- that unregulated, unpoliced financial institutions, commerce, and trade will not work to the benefit of the country as a whole-- as greed takes over and corrupts those involved...

So then you ARE upset with Obama for bemoaning deregulation BEFORE the election and then appointing deregulators AFTER the election.....

Like he says- he wants opinions and ideas from all directions- but when it comes down to which direction they go- HE is the BOSS....

Besides the regulations/laws put on after the depression of 1905- and those put on after the Great Depression in the 30's- (many of which were dropped in the last 15 years- and many of those left that Bush refused to enforce) you are going to see a bookload of new regulation-- and it will be years (maybe generations) before they try this nonregulation capitalism again....

Unpoliced industry was given their chance- and they failed miserably....
 
He just appointed those guys because he needed the opinions of the other side? Puhleeeeeeeeze! I thought people learned that lesson in the early 20th century? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This guy could get caught hosing a chicken and you libs would praise him for his interest in poultry anatomy.
 
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
A lot of folks are learning what was first learned at the turn of the 20th century- that unregulated, unpoliced financial institutions, commerce, and trade will not work to the benefit of the country as a whole-- as greed takes over and corrupts those involved...

So then you ARE upset with Obama for bemoaning deregulation BEFORE the election and then appointing deregulators AFTER the election.....

Like he says- he wants opinions and ideas from all directions- but when it comes down to which direction they go- HE is the BOSS....

Besides the regulations/laws put on after the depression of 1905- and those put on after the Great Depression in the 30's- (many of which were dropped in the last 15 years- and many of those left that Bush refused to enforce) you are going to see a bookload of new regulation-- and it will be years (maybe generations) before they try this nonregulation capitalism again....

Unpoliced industry was given their chance- and they failed miserably....

Like he says- he wants opinions and ideas from all directions- but when it comes down to which direction they go- HE is the BOSS....

Oh he77 yeah! :mad:

Alice
 
Sandhusker said:
This guy could get caught hosing a chicken and you libs would praise him for his interest in poultry anatomy.

No- you're mixed up with Bush... Thats what he did to the country and the US public while all the (R) cultists backslapped him.... :wink: :p

It will take generations to correct his damages.... :(
 
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
This guy could get caught hosing a chicken and you libs would praise him for his interest in poultry anatomy.

No- you're mixed up with Bush... Thats what he did to the country and the US public while all the (R) cultists backslapped him.... :wink: :p

It will take generations to correct his damages.... :(

No, I'm not mixed up. I'm sitting here watching you libs. giving Obama a pass on the very things that you blamed Bush and Republicans for.
 
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
This guy could get caught hosing a chicken and you libs would praise him for his interest in poultry anatomy.

No- you're mixed up with Bush... Thats what he did to the country and the US public while all the (R) cultists backslapped him.... :wink: :p

It will take generations to correct his damages.... :(

No, I'm not mixed up. I'm sitting here watching you libs. giving Obama a pass on the very things that you blamed Bush and Republicans for.

Well I gave Bush 4 years to see how he would use his advisors and what the direction he was going before I began cricizing him-- and see no reason to do any different with Obama..
And so far I'm satisfied with the people he's surrounding himself with....

How come you rightwingnuts that were fearmongering about Obama turning the country over to his Muslim Bretheren aren't screaming about his appointing the top Marine General-- or wanting to keep continuity with Gates... :???:
From what I hear most Repubs are quite satisfied with the bipartisan/nonpartisan experienced picks he's done so far... I've heard nothing but praise from the level headed ones-- and the only ones I've heard screaming are those rightwingnuts that want him to fail ... So much for their being the "true patriots" as they've preached/fearmongered the last 8 years... :shock: :(
 
If the deregulators caused the problems, what difference does it make if some of them work for a new guy? How does that change in any way what they did? Obama fills his cabinet with common criminals and you're going to pardon their trangressions just because they report to the One? Come on, OT, let's have a little consistency here. You've got two different set of standards - you've drank the kool-aid.
 
Sandhusker said:
If the deregulators caused the problems, what difference does it make if some of them work for a new guy? How does that change in any way what they did? Obama fills his cabinet with common criminals and you're going to pardon their trangressions just because they report to the One? Come on, OT, let's have a little consistency here. You've got two different set of standards - you've drank the kool-aid.

The reason I waited 4 years to criticize Bush was too see if it was just just bad appointments- or a direction he was leading them....And as was seen thru 3 Ag Secretary's- which included testimony from GIPSA investigators that they were told to shuffle papers and look busy, but do nothing-- to FDA employees that testified to Congress on some of the Chinese issues that they were told to do nothing, don't hinder trade- to the CFTC commissioner that testified they were told to take an 8 year coffee break-- a pattern developed.... The topper was when Bush's transportation secretary admitted to Congress that Bush had been the one to say he didn't have to follow the law they passed stopping Mexican trucks from coming into the country....
This was policy sat from the top down, thruout the whole regime...
 
Sandhusker said:
If the deregulators caused the problems, what difference does it make if some of them work for a new guy? How does that change in any way what they did? Obama fills his cabinet with common criminals and you're going to pardon their trangressions just because they report to the One? Come on, OT, let's have a little consistency here. You've got two different set of standards - you've drank the kool-aid.

SHusker you are painting these appointees with a very narrow brush anyone that knows deregulation might also know "regulation" don't you think??? :?
 
Husker just gets some sort of demented thrill out of pizzin' in every one's cornflakes!!!!
 
TSR said:
Sandhusker said:
If the deregulators caused the problems, what difference does it make if some of them work for a new guy? How does that change in any way what they did? Obama fills his cabinet with common criminals and you're going to pardon their trangressions just because they report to the One? Come on, OT, let's have a little consistency here. You've got two different set of standards - you've drank the kool-aid.

SHusker you are painting these appointees with a very narrow brush anyone that knows deregulation might also know "regulation" don't you think??? :?

My point is that prior to the election, you libs were wailing about how the deregulators screwed up the markets. We had to vote Democrat because the Republicans were responsible for the deregulation. Now, we're finding out that Democrats were in favor of deregulation as well, and Obama is bringing them into his inner circle. OBAMA IS TAKING ADVICE FROM THOSE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO YOU ACCUSED OF CAUSING ALL THE PROBLEMS, and you're all silent! What changed here? One thing, Obama is now in the story, that's it. These guys are still deregulators, but now they're OK because they're working for Obama? Good grief.
 
If McCain had won the election and included people in his circle that had "deregulator" in their resume, you libs would of been screaming to high heaven about "McSame", and didn't we learn our lessons, etc.... But your Chosen One does does exactly that and the excuse is, "He's going to listen to everybody". :roll:

Take off those Obamavision glasses and you'll notice the hypocracy.
 
OldTimer:
Maybe the regulation that required the lenders to check out the immigrant status of who they were lending to - along with their ability to pay would have helped...A rule GW had dropped in 2005- and that now many (both R's and D's)

The latest twist is the taxpayer ID mortgage. Pioneered by small community banks, mainly in the Midwest, the loans slowly have begun to spread. As of September 2004, one credit union and 18 banks were offering such mortgages, according to a report by independent researcher Mari Gallagher. In California, Wells Fargo and Citibank both offer taxpayer ID mortgage loans, albeit in small programs.

Citibank's version of the loans is made in conjunction with ACORN Housing, a nonprofit that promotes home ownership among low-income people. ACORN does initial screening of potential borrowers and refers those who can qualify to Citibank.

seems your facts are wrong again.... looks like a cummunity organiser and acorn were getting around the rules long before Bush caved to the Democrats..

Marisol and Ramiro got their mortgage through the Citibank/ACORN Housing program, which offers interest rates a full percentage point below the published rate and $3,000 toward closing costs or down payment. In addition, their Realtor, Rebecca Gallardo-Serrano of Protelo Group Realty in San Jose, gave them a rebate of $2,500 to help pay their closing costs. At less than $260,000, their small condo was the lowest-cost listing in Santa Clara County.

with incentives like that, no wonder citibank went after the acorn loans.. and it's no wonder CitiBank is in trouble now!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/06/15/MNGRMJEGM81.DTL
 

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