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Calving Woes

It's OK Soapweed I'll still be your friend even if you are stupid. :wink: Why is everyone acting so defensively? Us May calvers have got nothing else to do on the long cold March nights except harass you guys calving now. :lol:
 
Thanks Randiliana, Silver,3 M L & C and Soapweed.Besides posting to TizHot how i manage to calve in january i was just reading what was being said,and i didn't want to get involved until i seen some of the members of ranchers that i respect post.I am so sick of hearing you should calve in may,do you know how much less work it is,do you know how much extra feed your wasting calving in january,blah,blah,blah!! We are the winter calvers of ranchers.net,we are good at it or we wouldn't do it.Obviously our bankers also know that,or they wouldn't stand behind us in the bad times.We do it because thats what works for us,and we aren't afraid of work.And i like my calves big in the fall,and so do my cattle buyers,or they wouldn't turn around at the sale and say,WOW nice calves!! So you guys calve when you want i don't care,we do what we believe in also and what works for us.
 
Big Swede said:
It's OK Soapweed I'll still be your friend even if you are stupid. :wink: Why is everyone acting so defensively? Us May calvers have got nothing else to do on the long cold March nights except harass you guys calving now. :lol:

Well, that's a relief. I thought if you were both laughing at me and not wanting to be my friend to boot, I'd really feel bad. :-)
 
Trust me 3words all of my comments are good natured. If you knew me better you would know that. I truly don't care when you calve your cows, wouldn't matter if I did. Have a great day.
 
I actually do care when people calve at least in a generic sense. It is good for the industry to have a steady year round supply of cattle. So good for the winter spring summer and fall calvers. What ever your reasons, and there are many, the consumer benefits from a steady market and supply of beef in the grocery store.
 
:gag: :secret:

It's two coats cold out, think I'll go to bed and sleep all night. Don't worry gang, we'll have our share of weather in April. It usually just doesn't last as long. :wink:
 
Oops, Some folks are a little sensitive. Four pages now and lots of opinions. Sorry if I stepped on a nerve or two. Whoever is preaching better quit too I guess. Spring is likely a month away where I live in Central B.C. or at least green grass. Which part of B.C. Paradise are you living in Silver? We used to hay and feed 5 months and calve in March too. I agree with you that the big calves brought more dollars at the sale barn but we didn't get to keep much of it after we paid all the inputs like you are describing. Now we only feed 60 to 90 days and buy the hay. We still work on old fences and build a little more electric fence every year in the spring while the cows calve themselves out and on the extremely rare occasion that any need help I can do it in my shirt sleeves on dry ground in broad daylight and take my time. We graze the summer away with portable electric fence that usually takes about a half hour out of our day if we are moving daily. In the fall when we go to the sale barn with our lighter calves they are usually only about 20 dollars per head behind the heavy calves because they bring more dollars per pound and we get to keep a lot more of the money they bring. This style might not work for everyone and I surely wouldn't preach that everyone do it but my calculator and banker ( now what was his name? ) tell me this is more profitable than the way we used to do it. We have done it both ways and this is sure more fun. I think the cows like it this way more too. We are always open to more ideas on better ways of doing things because we still aren't getting to keep all of the money our calves bring. The dead frozen ones never brought much at the sale barn. I think we would find something else to do if we had to consider going back to that much work expense and heartache. I hope this isn't coming across as being smug for that is not my intention. Sometimes my humor is a little sarcastic. We didn't come up with these ideas on our own. We spent a lot of money going to workshops, field days, schools, etc and then applied the tools we paid for to our business and started turning things around. We have lived most of the pictures and stories in these last few pages ourselves and it brings back painful memories. Putting ourselves and the cattle through this when there are more humane ways to manage just don't seem right. Surely there are others on this site that can verify this and maybe even put it in ways that don't make others so defensive. Looking forward to thoughtful comments.
 
Thanks, C Thompson. I like to hear about the way others do what they do. And at times, we have adopted some of these things into our own operation.

For our part, March calving is a necessity. We don't have the grass at home to calve the cows out, and all our pasture (well darn close to all of it) is at least 1/2 hour away and up to 2 hours. Perhaps there are those out there that would feel comfortable about sending cows away to calve out, but I sure am not one of them. Grass comes in here in mid to late April, so it only makes sense for us to have the cows ready to go to pasture by the early part of May.

We've done some swath grazing and it works pretty good for us. Granted we haven't done it the way "they" (whomever they are) say, and our land is sandy enough that it works, we simply put the cows out on a 1/4 section at a time and they do the work(all of it). Usually the crop is short enough that the cows don't just eat the heads off.... But seriously, most of our fall grazing is either harvested crop land, with some native grass areas, or hay land and the grass around the creek. We've grazed up until January in the past, although usually we have to start feeding in December. I would say we average about 5 months of feeding, and we try to feed poorer quality forages (which are of course cheaper) along with a bit of good quality hay to keep the cows happy. We also like to keep Promolas out with the cows most of the winter. But in general our cows certainly aren't babied through the winter, they have to tough it out.

In our little corner of the province, we usually don't deal with a lot of nasty cold weather in March. It isn't unusual to have a week or so of cold weather, but usually it is pretty nice late winter calving with the temperatures hovering around freezing. As often as not, while March calving might be a bit colder, there will be a nasty storm or 2 that cause big problems in April, and we rarely have problems getting our calves through those. This year is quite an unusual March for us, and I would think for a large part of the province, I won't be surprised to find out that it might be one of the coldest ones on record.

Maybe I take it the wrong way, and I apologize if I do, but I try not to 'preach' that what I do is best (I hope I don't preach anyways) and I get my back up a bit when people are always telling those of us that calve earlier that we need to change our calving season. Once in a while is fine, but when it is a chorus it gets quite annoying..... :oops:

Now, lucky me, I'm off to bottle feed the newest 2 calves and check to make sure that there are no calves in danger of becoming popsicles....
 
It's pretty cold out this morning, but at least it's a dry cold. :-)

I'm just glad we are over two-thirds done and have the bigger runs out of the way. With our 90 day calving season, we can have the best and worst of both worlds. We can also have the experience of watching a hard calving heifer plumb give up because it is 90 degrees outside, and too hot for them to continue to labor. :wink:

I don't think there is any completely free lunch when it comes to calving. On the other hand, even if you go into it unprepared, eventually this too shall pass.
 
The most extreme weather event here is the wind, wind chill, drifting snow, wind damage to anything manmade (calving barns and windbreaks.) I used to calve mainly in March which tends to be the time of year with the most wind. Mother nature ALWAYS wins eventually, one way or another.
 
I'm new to this group so I will try not to make waves. We used to calve march and April and have since switched to may 15th calving and have no regrets. It is nice to check cows in your short sleeves and check the cows once a day or every couple of days. We calve the heifers on pasture and the cows calve 20 miles away. My stress level is very minimal and the feed cost saving are awesome. I feel the extra pounds you gain calving early is not worth it, you lose one calf and there goes the profit. Hope everyone who is calving has great luck and spring gets here soon!
 
I just did the midmorning calving check with Chezney- my 4 year old granddaughter...And as we were driving thru I noticed a bubble sticking out of Lazy Bar B Leinie... Since she's a real quiet cow we just sat there and Chezney got to see her first calf born... You couldn't believe the flood of questions and comments coming from her... Its what makes life worth living... :wink: :D
 
Welcome to the neighborhood grassbeef. It's nice to have someone else in our corner since these winter calvers like to gang up on us lazy guys. :lol: 8)
 
Big Swede said:
Welcome to the neighborhood grassbeef. It's nice to have someone else in our corner since these winter calvers like to gang up on us lazy guys. :lol: 8)

It's a wonder we have enough energy to stir up a debate. :D
 
Oldtimer said:
I just did the midmorning calving check with Chezney- my 4 year old granddaughter...And as we were driving thru I noticed a bubble sticking out of Lazy Bar B Leinie... Since she's a real quiet cow we just sat there and Chezney got to see her first calf born... You couldn't believe the flood of questions and comments coming from her... Its what makes life worth living... :wink: :D

When my mom and dad were first married, back in the early 1950's, one of my mother's cousins from Minnesota came to visit. His wife and four or five-year-old son were also along. Dad had to pull a calf out of a Hereford cow, so the man and his son went to the barn to watch. As Dad winched out the calf, the boy's eyes were wide with astonishment. He asked excitedly, "What did that cow do, eat that calf?" :-)
 
Ha great "city kid" comment Soapweed! The debate is a great one and it comes down to everyones situation. Calving in May for us would be tough as cropping 4000ac just doesn't leave any spare time. If we were just ranchers (nobody take "just" the wrong way!) the idea would cross my mind. The last two weeks have been hell and I wonder why we do it! When its done I think ah that wasn't so bad! Although every year I hate it a little more. The common phrase around here is fn cows! I appreciate all the comments. If I learn or change one thing because of all the ideas its worth it.
 

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