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Canadas Cattle Disease Problems Keep Mounting

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OT,


You sure know how to blow thigns out of poportion dont ya. The CFIA is doing a damn good job of handling this TB case. It has been proven that RFID tags work better traceback then your hot branding. You damn well know that, but your too smart to admit it.... might make you look bad.
 
Now, that's funny Q...you giving Fedup2 advise on posting and reading post!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You should concentrate on making your post more legible. :roll:
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
OT,


You sure know how to blow thigns out of poportion dont ya. The CFIA is doing a damn good job of handling this TB case. It has been proven that RFID tags work better traceback then your hot branding. You damn well know that, but your too smart to admit it.... might make you look bad.
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Actually I am not sure that is true-- the tracking abilities of using RFID eartags and computer databases in the US are unproven....The brands are proven- and the Dept and administration have over 100 years experience ...According to the USDA official in charge of our Bangs outbreak near Yellowstone-- the reason they were able to track the animal sources so quickly and completely was because of the Montana brand system..Since many of these were trader cattle- without the brand laws all the NAIS (as now set up) would have shown them was who was the initial owner...
And it will take years- cost Bazillions of $- and mandate a huge federal bureaucratic growth to develop the infrastructure necessary to make it a true tracking system...
 
Did you forget about,,,,Actually I am not sure that is true-- the tracking abilities of using RFID eartags and computer databases in the US are unproven.... www.ScoringAg.com The best RFID traceback recordkeeping database in the world by independent research.
 
PORKER said:
Did you forget about,,,,Actually I am not sure that is true-- the tracking abilities of using RFID eartags and computer databases in the US are unproven.... www.ScoringAg.com The best RFID traceback recordkeeping database in the world by independent research.
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OK Porker-- if I buy 30 head of your scoringgag tagged cattle- rebrand them- but find they aren't the quality I want so then sell those 30 thru private treaty with a brand inspection (which neither of us- nor the brand inspector owns a reader- or reads them)- and he then rebrands them but sells those 30 in the spring thru the stockyards that has no reader setup installed- and they go 30 different ways--all along during that time eartags are falling out-- with several of them returning thru a ring again next year-- which do you think will trace the cattle the furthest :???:

Scoringgag only works if you have the infrastructure set up too--- and most states and the federal government don't have that now--and won't have unless they create massive new bureaucracies.....
 
ot: Scoringgag only works if you have the infrastructure set up too--- and most states and the federal government don't have that now--and won't have unless they create massive new bureaucracies.....

same goes for using brands. unless every state has mandatory branding laws you don't have the necessary infrastructure to do a trace anywhere in the united states. that would require all the same bureaucracies.
 
don said:
ot: Scoringgag only works if you have the infrastructure set up too--- and most states and the federal government don't have that now--and won't have unless they create massive new bureaucracies.....

same goes for using brands. unless every state has mandatory branding laws you don't have the necessary infrastructure to do a trace anywhere in the united states. that would require all the same bureaucracies.
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don-- you are correct...And thats the reason I believe that these states that have a/and have had a workable system for 100+ years should not be required to put out huge amounts in additional producer costs- and/or taxpayer funding to build a system for those states that were too lax to set one up.....With the laws and manpower in place- Montana could be one of the cheaper to convert-- but when you are talking 100's of inspectors- and 100's of vets- and possibly even 1000's of scales and shipping points- the cost of equipping those inspectors and shipping points with the reader and computer equipment necessary would be massive...

If its not broke--why fix it :???:
 
maybe it is broke. how many of your bse cases could you track back through their lives? if i remember correctly only the animal that originated in canada.
 
don said:
maybe it is broke. how many of your bse cases could you track back through their lives? if i remember correctly only the animal that originated in canada.
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Remember the bulls associated to the one of the Canada BSE cases that had ended up in Montana- they were tracked down within a couple of days (on a weekend)-- thru brands to their final destinations in Montana, Wyo, and SD...Don't seem very broke around here...
 
If an area can track via brands, why make them do anything different? Why not have the areas (no brand) that can't track be the ones to come up with something that works? Having everybody change makes no sense.
 
Oldtimer said:
don said:
maybe it is broke. how many of your bse cases could you track back through their lives? if i remember correctly only the animal that originated in canada.
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Remember the bulls associated to the one of the Canada BSE cases that had ended up in Montana- they were tracked down within a couple of days (on a weekend)-- thru brands to their final destinations in Montana, Wyo, and SD...Don't seem very broke around here...
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Why is it your system only works when things can be "Traced Back" to CANADA? :evil:

AND you wonder why Canadian producers have had enough of your BS :!: :!: .
 
HeyNow said:
Oldtimer said:
don said:
maybe it is broke. how many of your bse cases could you track back through their lives? if i remember correctly only the animal that originated in canada.
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Remember the bulls associated to the one of the Canada BSE cases that had ended up in Montana- they were tracked down within a couple of days (on a weekend)-- thru brands to their final destinations in Montana, Wyo, and SD...Don't seem very broke around here...
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Why is it your system only works when things can be "Traced Back" to CANADA? :evil:

AND you wonder why Canadian producers have had enough of your BS :!: :!: .
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Those Bangs cows at Yellowstone didn't come from Canada- nor were they traced to Canada...I think some Canucks must either be suffering ego problems or paranoia :roll: The world does not live or die because of the Canuck empire :wink: :lol:

HeyNow-- Tell me how many diseases these "magic" eartags you guys got have prevented (apparently didn't work on the Alberta/B.C. TB :wink: :lol: )-- and for that matter how many "new" export markets have opened up since you started using them :???: You're still in the same boat- trying to get access to the US markets so you can get back riding on the US producers shirttails..
 
PORKER wrote:
Did you forget about,,,,Actually I am not sure that is true-- the tracking abilities of using RFID eartags and computer databases in the US are unproven.... www.ScoringAg.com The best RFID traceback recordkeeping database in the world by independent research.
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Oldtimer quote]OK Porker-- if I buy 30 head of your scoringgag tagged cattle- rebrand them- but find they aren't the quality I want so then sell those 30 thru private treaty with a brand inspection (which neither of us- nor the brand inspector owns a reader- or reads them)- and he then rebrands them but sells those 30 in the spring thru the stockyards that has no reader setup installed- and they go 30 different ways--all along during that time eartags are falling out-- with several of them returning thru a ring again next year-- which do you think will trace the cattle the furthest

First of all those cattle get their pictures taken one at a time . Second I add to the database the brand of each animal and I put a RFID Bolus in each animal that is entered in the database and I record each animals hanging tag in the ScoringAg database, if they got one. Now your brand inspectors can read the brand, the tag still in and If They go to slaughter the Boluses will ring the readers at the packers plus I got pictures to prove that the date of the transaction matches the pictures.******** Which do you think will trace the cattle the furthest ? ScoringAg and the brand inspectors,So Now WHAT?[/quote]
 
Well Porker-- I don't know of many stockyards folks or ranchers that will be wanting to be paying wages to their help while your posing their cattle and taking pictures of them and their brands (which a major portion of the year would require chuting and clipping)...
I can tell you haven't been around too many ranches out this way-- I can just see you matching pictures up on a 1000 head a day :wink: :lol: Especially at $20 dollars a head worth of bolus's, tags, pictures, and brands :roll:

Remember- besides being tamperproof and accurate-- the system needs to be something that won't place an extreme cost or unessarily slow down the normal flow of commerce--something that USDA testified to Congress that is not yet technologically available...
 
I can tell you haven't been around too many ranches out this way-- I can just see you matching pictures up on a 1000 head a day Especially at $20 dollars a head worth of bolus's, tags, pictures, and brands

WHOA there , ScoringAg only charges $0.55 a head ,$4.78 worth a bolus's, Your tags, pictures Cost $0.25, and Your brands does not ADD up to $20.00 Bucks. And I can use ScoringAgs database free to check on RFID numbers.
I go out to Grey Bull Wy. to hunt antelope every other year with my .264 .I guess thats outwest.
 
PORKER said:
I can tell you haven't been around too many ranches out this way-- I can just see you matching pictures up on a 1000 head a day Especially at $20 dollars a head worth of bolus's, tags, pictures, and brands

WHOA there , ScoringAg only charges $0.55 a head ,$4.78 worth a bolus's, Your tags, pictures Cost $0.25, and Your brands does not ADD up to $20.00 Bucks. And I can use ScoringAgs database free to check on RFID numbers.
I go out to Grey Bull Wy. to hunt antelope every other year with my .264 .I guess thats outwest.
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I don't know where you find RFID tags for $.25-- but wish you would send me a few thousand at that price...I just bought some regular tags to put in the replacement heifers- and they were $1 a piece....Something else your numbers doesn't figure into place-- and anymore one of the most costly--time and wages for doing all this...

I can just see one of these salesyards that has a 1000 head run of one iron calves coming thru-- stopping their sale until they can figure out which 150 head the computer reader isn't recording (15% no reads--the average in the lastest tests).... :roll:
 
Oldtimer said:
HeyNow said:
Oldtimer said:
Remember the bulls associated to the one of the Canada BSE cases that had ended up in Montana- they were tracked down within a couple of days (on a weekend)-- thru brands to their final destinations in Montana, Wyo, and SD...Don't seem very broke around here...
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Why is it your system only works when things can be "Traced Back" to CANADA? :evil:

AND you wonder why Canadian producers have had enough of your BS :!: :!: .
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Those Bangs cows at Yellowstone didn't come from Canada- nor were they traced to Canada...I think some Canucks must either be suffering ego problems or paranoia :roll: The world does not live or die because of the Canuck empire :wink: :lol:

HeyNow-- Tell me how many diseases these "magic" eartags you guys got have prevented (apparently didn't work on the Alberta/B.C. TB :wink: :lol: )-- and for that matter how many "new" export markets have opened up since you started using them :???: You're still in the same boat- trying to get access to the US markets so you can get back riding on the US producers shirttails..
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So by your reasoning branding prevents TB, Blue tongue, BSE, etc????//

Do you have ADD?

If you guys hate Canada so much why are so many of you living here??
 
ScoringAg only charges $0.55 a head for the database use and the animal is never deleated ever from records.


$4.78 worth per one RFID bolus in one animal, They never fall out and they will read for a hunderd years or when the animal is slaughtered

Your tags, Which fall out are $1.00 ,or you could buy RFID Dalton Tags that are tamper proof for $1.45 and never fall out.


Digital pictures Cost $0.25 to upload, costs nothing to develope and if you want video for each animal add 30 cents. Pictures are fool proof.

and Your brands, which can be counterfieted in the next state ,ScoringAg enters them for FREE

And you can put in ScoringAg the last known weight,EPD, Pedigree,Body Condition Score, Feeding , Breeding, ETC . FREE

does not ADD up to $20.00 Bucks.

You can search this animal in the ScoringAg or www.traceback.com search engine free at RFID search 840000000239752 just copy and paste in and hit submit. Your brand inspector can't move that fast.
 
So by your reasoning branding prevents TB, Blue tongue, BSE, etc????//
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Nope--no more than your tag system does.... But we aren't paying for the extra cost of tags- tag readers- computer systems- and the time and labor involved with installing and recording such...

And which system is Canada trying to ship all their cattle/beef into-- and trying to ride shirttail on--the US one :roll: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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