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Here is some info for those who want to see what retail protien prices are in Canada for the last while.

http://www.albertabeef.org/canfaxfullreport.asp

Chicken has averaged $5.30/kilo

Pork $8.73 per kilo

Beef $11.50 per kilo

1 kilo is 2.2 pounds.

So chicken $2.40/lb

Pork $3.97

Beef $5.23
 
$5.23/lb. Producers are receiving an average of $1.40 on the rail. Knock 20% off the retail for the store share: packers are receiving $4.26/lb. So packers are getting a gross profit of $2.86/lb. Pretty healthy, given they only touch the beef for 3 weeks of its life.

Rod
 
Rod: "$5.23/lb. Producers are receiving an average of $1.40 on the rail. Knock 20% off the retail for the store share: packers are receiving $4.26/lb. So packers are getting a gross profit of $2.86/lb. Pretty healthy, given they only touch the beef for 3 weeks of its life."

What makes you think the retailer makes 20%?

How do you know how healthy the gross profit is unless you know the net profit?

What about transportation costs?

If you think there is so much money in the packing and retailing industry, why don't you invest in those enterprises?


~SH~
 
Hmmmm, well lemmesee:

1) $5.23/lb comes from Jason.

2) 20% profit margin at retail comes from long term Canfax reports, verfied by store keepers. Retailing sucks. 20% is barely enough for them to pay employees and keep the lights on.

3) Trucking amounts to a few cents/lb. (engage brain SH. 50,000 tonnes per load. Trucking from feedlot to packer only, since the retail store pays the freight from packer to them)

4) Any industry that has a 200% gross profit after the purchase of raw material has a healthy gross. Most companies would kill for a gross like that.

SH, its you that has no clue. The packing industry WITHIN CANADA, which is what this thread is (notice the subject heading?), is making a helluva profit off the backs of producers.

Y'know something else? You always ask questions, and yet don't bother with answers of your own. Why is that? Perhaps its because you don't know either?

You can consider that last question rhetorical, SH. I'm well aware of your knowledge level. Now go away SH. This is a thread about CANADIAN BEEF PRICES, a topic you have no knowledge of and as such, have no useful information to contribute.

Rod
 
1) $5.23/lb comes from Jason.

2) 20% profit margin at retail comes from long term Canfax reports, verfied by store keepers. Retailing sucks. 20% is barely enough for them to pay employees and keep the lights on.

3) Trucking amounts to a few cents/lb. (engage brain SH. 50,000 tonnes per load. Trucking from feedlot to packer only, since the retail store pays the freight from packer to them)

4) Any industry that has a 200% gross profit after the purchase of raw material has a healthy gross. Most companies would kill for a gross like that.


A healthy "GROSS PROFIT MARGIN" is irrelevant, what's relevant is their "NET PROFIT MARGIN". You don't have a clue what it costs to operate a packing plant. Here's the proof once again......

Rod: "Producers are receiving an average of $1.40 on the rail."

For a swinging carcass that is roughly 40% bone and fat. Yet you failed to factor the bone and fat in again just like before. Your 200% gross margin figured that carcass as if it was 100% beef.

Next, you didn't take into consideration whether Jason's retail beef price includes featured prices to move product and we certainly know it didn't include wasted product that was discarded due to not being sold by expiration date. Would you like to argue either point? You didn't even bother to find out whether Jason's retail beef prices are for all beef products from a single carcass.

You want to believe that packers are making a huge profit off the backs of producers because you are a typical packer blamer that doesn't have a clue what processing costs are.

A healthy "GROSS PROFIT" doesn't mean a damn thing if the "NET PROFIT" is not healthy. You don't know!


Rod: "I'm well aware of your knowledge level."

From the guy who thinks bone and fat are priced the same as beef.

I would have thought you would have learned something the last time you "BWAMED DA PACKAH".


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
From the guy who thinks bone and fat are priced the same as beef.

:roll: You truly are a laugh SH.

You know what else I didn't take into account? The AVERAGE price that producers received on ALL animals. That $1.40? That was feeder animals. I didn't even bother to count culls at 70 cents. And can skip your waste garbage. You and I both know that waste is trivial. You're trying to nickel and dime against a 200% gross margin, and it won't work.

Before you spout anymore and make yourself look even more like a fool, do yourself a favor and read the ABP report on packer profit margins within Canada. US and Canadian profit margins currently are completely different, and you know NOTHING about the Canadian marketplace.

Rod
 
Rod: "You truly are a laugh SH."

Ok but I wasn't the one who talked about a 200% gross margin, you were because you simply don't know any better.


Rod: "Before you spout anymore and make yourself look even more like a fool, do yourself a favor and read the ABP report on packer profit margins within Canada. US and Canadian profit margins currently are completely different, and you know NOTHING about the Canadian marketplace."

Ok!

Do you mean this Alberta report???

Chew on this for awhile Rod and remind me how much I don't know.



http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/com8248


Ag report shows no unfair packer pricing because of BSE
Download pdf - 126K

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March 11, 2004
Consumers saw 20-per-cent beef price reductions in 2003
______________________________________________________________________________

Highlights of report:

Information available to the department does not suggest unfair packer profits.
Alberta consumers enjoyed an overall 20-per-cent price decline at the beef retail counter in the last half of 2003.
Government BSE programs worked as intended by moving cattle through the beef chain.
______________________________________________________________________________

Edmonton… Alberta meat packers did not profit unfairly from the Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) crisis, based on information available to Alberta Agriculture, Food and Rural Development and released in a report today. Instead, it was Alberta consumers who benefited through 20-per-cent overall reductions in prices at the beef retail counter.

Shirley McClellan, Deputy Premier and Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development, said the review, called Pricing in the Beef Industry, also showed government BSE programs worked as intended, moving 1.2 million head through the beef chain.

"BSE irrevocably changed our entire cattle and beef industry," said McClellan. "Packers were no exception, as they faced increased costs of equipment and labour while coping with the loss of an international marketplace. Based on available data used in this review, there does not appear to be support for claims of unfair packer profits." More information on costs and how they have changed for the packing industry may become clear through the review process of the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food.

The review showed during the last six months of 2003 consumers benefited at the retail beef counter as they saw an overall 20-per-cent drop in beef prices.

"For high-end cuts like t-bones or ribeyes, prices stayed steady. But for low-end cuts such as ground beef and chuck roasts, prices dropped substantially. This was also at a time when Alberta retailers and consumers showed their support for the province's beef industry by offering and buying beef specials," said McClellan.

The review also looked at how the introduction of federal and provincial government BSE recovery programs influenced the beef chain.

"Our programs aimed to break the logjam of product caused by border closures," said McClellan. "Unlike other export commodities such as grain or oil, the beef industry can't stockpile product. We needed to get the beef chain moving for the benefit of those directly in the industry and those who service it."

The review showed programs worked as intended, moving 1.2 million cattle through the beef chain. Slaughter rates dramatically increased with the introduction of BSE programs, from 18,000 head a week to about 44,000 head, close to normal slaughter numbers.

McClellan noted that compensation programs were designed in full consultation with the cattle industry, and were meant to keep the beef chain in good working order to take advantage of markets when they re-opened.

Copies of the evaluation are available on Ropin' the Web (click here).

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For further information, contact:

Ken Moholitny
Assistant Deputy Minister
Agriculture, Food and Rural Development
(780) 427-1957 Alberta Ag Media Line
(780) 422-1005

Dial 310-0000 for toll-free access outside Edmonton


March 11, 2004

Pricing in the beef industry

Why did you do this review?
Because of the current supply and demand imbalance in the beef industry, many Albertans were questioning why there was such a large disparity between the price the producer received and the price consumers paid at retail or in a restaurant.

How was the review done?
The Alberta Agriculture, Food and Rural Development evaluation used available pricing data from CanFax, AC Nielsen and Statistics Canada, as well as interviews with representatives from the packing and retail sectors, to assess claims of unfair pricing in the beef supply chain.

What did the review show?
The evaluation showed that consumers enjoyed a 20-per-cent decline in the average price of beef in retail stores across Alberta. The most significant declines occurred in the cheaper cuts of meat, such as ground beef and chuck.

Based on available data used in this review, there does not appear to be support for claims of unfair packer profits. In fact, BSE has resulted in higher costs for packers, mostly due to changing standards for testing and regulation. And since margins do not address increased costs, they cannot be used to prove or disprove claims of unfair profits.

Why don't margins reflect the increased costs?
Margins are simply the difference between the price the product is purchased for and the price at which it's sold. For packers, the margin is the price of fed cattle and the average wholesale price of boxed beef. For retailers, the margin is the difference between the wholesale price of boxed beef and the average price of retail cuts.

How did the government BSE programs impact the industry?
BSE compensation programs, designed in full consultation with the cattle industry, the federal government and other provinces, aimed to keep the beef chain in good working order to take advantage of re-opened borders.

These programs aimed to break the logjam of product caused by border closure. They worked as intended by moving 1.2 million cattle through the beef chain. Slaughter rates dramatically increased with the introduction of BSE programs – from 18,000 head a week to about 44,000 head.

Because feedlot operators were able to maintain reasonable returns, because of the BSE assistance programs, cow/calf producers who marketed fall-run calves saw prices in the fall of 2003 as good as 2002 or better.

What additional costs have packers had to deal with?
Although there is no specific data on costs, interviews with packers highlighted some of the additional costs increases. These include: extra labour costs associated with segregating cattle more than 30 months of age from those less than 30 months of age; operational adjustments for export markets, including extra storage costs; changing product mix to meet export markets, requiring more labour to produce the same amount; and, costs of removal and disposal of Specified Risk Materials.

Why aren't Alberta consumers paying less for beef?
In fact, there was a dramatic decline of 20-per-cent in average retail price of beef in the last six months of 2003. However, some cuts—such as steaks—remained in high demand, while there was little supply available. This meant that the retail price of steaks remained high.

Cheaper cuts of beef—such as ground beef and chuck—were more responsive to the increased supply available. The prices for these cuts dropped significantly.

Was this the first evaluation of its kind in Canada?
No. The Quebec Government did a similar evaluation of the retail price of beef. They found no evidence to support the claim that there was unfair pricing on either the packer or retail portion of the Quebec beef industry. As well, they noted that the retail beef price in Quebec declined an average of 15 per cent because of BSE.
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For further information, contact:

Darren Chase
Unit Leader, Strategic Information Services
Agriculture, Food and Rural Development
(780) 422-7101

Dial 310-0000 for toll free access outside Edmonton



March 11, 2004

Average retail price for beef in Alberta, May to November

The information on these tables is from ACNeilson data, which uses actual sales information, including specials and other promotions.

Average price of regular ground beef ($/kg)
May 18, 2003 $4.85
July 20, 2003 $3.49
August 10, 2003 $3.75
September, 14, 2003 $2.58
November 2, 2003 $2.96
Average price of t-bone steaks ($/kg)
May 18, 2003 $21.52
July 20, 2003 $21.04
August 10, 2003 $20.21
September, 14, 2003 $19.53
November 2, 2003 $19.46
Average price of inside round roast ($/kg)
May 18, 2003 $9.66
July 20, 2003 $9.78
August 10, 2003 $7.29
September, 14, 2003 $7.97
November 2, 2003 $8.95
Average price of stewing beef ($/kg)
May 18, 2003 $8.58
July 20, 2003 $8.13
August 10, 2003 $7.06
September, 14, 2003 $6.83
November 2, 2003 $8.24
.
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For further information, contact:

Darren Chase
Unit Leader, Strategic Information Services
Agriculture, Food and Rural Development
(780) 422-7101

Dial 310-0000 for toll free access outside Edmonton



March 11, 2004

How the cattle and beef industry works

Alberta's cattle and beef industry is based on a complicated chain of interactions—from producers to packers to retailers. There are many steps in between the producer selling his cattle to consumers purchasing beef in a retail store.

Canada's beef industry
Canada is a net exporter of beef. Our production sector is set up to produce 90,000 head per week, but our packing sector can only slaughter—at full capacity—70,000 head per week.

Domestic beef consumption is typically 40,000 head per week.

The remaining slaughtered cattle—called boxed beef—and live cattle are shipped to other countries, such as the U.S. and Mexico. For example, prior to May 20, 2003, about 20,000 head of live cattle per week were shipped to the to the U.S. for slaughter or finishing.

How the industry works
A cow-calf operator—usually a small rancher with a herd of cows—breeds calves for sale to a feedlot. Typically, these producers have set their operations up so that their cows give birth in the spring and the calves can then be sold at market in the fall. These calves—usually weighing around 600 to 800 pounds—are sold to a feedlot operator.

Feedlot operators are the owners of facilities that finish cattle, anywhere from 300 to 15,000, to what is called a slaughter weight—more than 1,200 pounds—by feeding them a high-protein ration. They will then sell these slaughter weight cattle to a packer or other buyers at market.

There are both federally inspected and provincially inspected packing facilities in Alberta. Meat from provincially inspected facilities can only be sold within the province, while meat from federally inspected facilities can be shipped outside of the province and outside of the country. Both facilities follow the same rules and regulations.

Packers slaughter and process the cattle they've purchased. This involves separating the edible parts—such as loin cuts—from the parts that are either inedible or are not typically eaten in North America. The edible meat cuts are then sent to retailers for sale at meat counters and sold to consumers. The other portions of the animal—either inedible or not typically eaten in North America—are either shipped elsewhere or disposed of.

Throughout this chain, the beef is shipped via truck or rail, which increased the costs. Overall, throughout the chain consider this: if trucking costs 4 cents per pound, that cost is applied 4 times to the meat before it reaches the retailers shelves, or each time the meat is shipped.

How does a steer or heifer become beef?
There is a very loose relationship between the price of live cattle and the retail price of steaks on the shelves. At both the packing and retail level, there are significant over-head costs associated with transforming an animal into a meal. The live animal is only the raw material for the end product. Every step that the raw material is handled or processed has a cost and that cost must be incorporated into the final retail cost of the product.

For example, an animal that weighs 1,387 pounds at slaughter would be separated into two parts; the warm carcass, representing 60%, or 832 pounds of the total; and, the residuals and offals, representing 40% or 555 pounds of the total.

The warm carcass will then break down into:
116 pounds—or 14 %—of hip cuts;
152 pounds—or 18%—of middle cuts;
99 pounds—or 12 %—of front cuts;
211 lbs—or 25%—of ground beef;
47 pounds—or 6%—of manufacturing cuts;
and, 207 pounds—or 25%—of waste.
In the end, only 625 pounds of the original 1,387-pound animal will end up on the retailers' shelves.

Packers dispose of the remaining 762 pounds in a number of ways. Of that 762 pounds:
182 pounds—or 24%—of waste
58 pounds—or 8%—of hide;
33 pounds—or 2.3%—of edible offal;
18 pounds—or 2.4%—of edible tallow;
and, 472 pounds—or 60%—of meat and bone meal.
Because of changes brought on by BSE, many of non-meat portions of the animal cannot be sold internationally. Instead, packers are forced to dispose of them. Not only does reduce the potential profit from the carcass, but it also generates additional costs.


What kind of profit is being made on beef?
It is possible to compare the live cattle price and the wholesale price of boxed beef. This calculation will yield a gross margin, but it is important to consider that over-head operating and packaging costs still need to be applied. Gross margin does relate directly to profitability.

This is again true at the retail level. Operational over-head and packaging costs must also be applied.


Read it again Rod!


~SH~
 
:roll: Unfortunately, you got the wrong one SH. It was posted by Randy Kaiser a couple weeks back. What you're reading is an Ag Canada summary report thats left most Canadian cattle producers scratching their heads, wondering where they came up with the drivel. The ABP report is the one that actually details everything out.

And I forgot you don't know the difference between gross and net profits. They paid $1.40/lb and got three times that back, therefore the gross margin was twice the purchase price or 200%. Thats a plain old fashioned raw gross. :roll:

Rod
 
My Dad just purchased some T-bone steak for $5.28 a pound. It was pretty good eating he said.

Lesser cuts would be much cheaper.


Rod you mentioned about Canadian producers scratching their heads over that report. Was that because they did their own study or that someone in the coffee shop told them so?
 
Where'd ya git that old report Scotty????

Could ya maybe find one that is a little more current.

Here's a summary of one commissioned by our ABP this summer - that's 2006.

A SUMMARY OF THE REPORT ON ESTIMATED LOSSES
ASSOCIATED WITH CULL COWS

October, 2006


1.The report, prepared by Plan 2000 Management Consultants Ltd and Informa Economics, focuses on the economic losses associated with cull cows resulting from the closure of the US border to cattle over 30 months of age (OTM) and beef from those cattle over the period June 2003 through to December 2005.
2.At the producer level, the report attempts to quantify the impact of price declines on revenue as well as possible increases in production costs as a result of increased debt and changes in culling and other management decisions. It also considers the offsetting value of Government support programs. The report looks at the costs to the packing industry of changes in Government health regulations and considers the impact that grading and import policies have had and could have on the industry.
3.The impact on producer returns was calculated using simple US and Canadian price comparisons before and after the closure of the border adjusted for such factors as the increased US price resulting from lack of access to Canadian cow and cow beef. The Consultants estimate that the revenue loss on D1/2 cows ranged from $470.00 to $547.00/head and on D3 cows ranged from $390.00 to $474.00/head. Losses in Eastern Canada were slightly higher than in the west.
4.The average calculated per head losses were applied to the cow marketings over the period June 2003 to December 2005 and indicated a total loss of approximately $513 million to the production sector. Of this amount, $247 million was lost in the west and the balance in the east. The calculated losses in Eastern Canada were higher than those in the west because of higher cow slaughter numbers in the east.
5.The material relating to the impact on producer income is derived primarily from a report prepared by the Government of Alberta. This suggests that revenue to cow/calf producers from the sale of cull cows, which is normally around $130.00 per cow wintered, or 14% of total income from the sale of cattle, fell to $43.00 per cow wintered or 7% of total income following the closure of the border.
6.The report makes some attempt to determine the impact of the BSE crisis on production costs. It notes that the decline in equity and/or increased debt arising because of the significant drop in gross income would result in higher debt service costs or alternatively lower investment income. In addition changes to culling rates and other management decisions could result in lower calving percentages, reduced weaning rates and higher feed costs. The report does not attempt to quantify these possible cost increases, suggesting that they would vary significantly between producers.





7.The reports lists the various Federal and Alberta Government support programs that were implemented as a result of the BSE crisis and notes that most of the support was aimed at keeping marketings current in the fed cattle sector. However it suggests that the programs available to cow/calf producers in Alberta over the period 2003 and 2004 had a value of around $43.00 per cull cow marketed, thus reducing the loss from approximately $489.00 per head down to $390.00 per head.
8.The consultants outline the domestic slaughter capacity for OTM cattle at the time that the report was written (spring, 2006) and consider what impact restricted access to slaughter capacity might have on the marketing of cows assuming that the border remains closed. Data derived from Statistics Canada indicated that as of January 1st 2006, there was one year's supply of cull cows remaining on farms.
9.The report considers the impact that new health regulations are having on packing plant costs and returns. These include the need to remove Specified Risk Material and the loss of a market for Meat and Bone Meal as well as the cost of disposing of unsaleable materials. It estimates the total cost of these requirements to be between $25.00 and $50.00 per head of cattle slaughtered. These costs would be highest for OTM.
10.New Canadian health regulations on the removal of SRM's to be implemented in July next year could increase costs by a further $4.00 to $5.00 per head on OTM cattle and unless the US takes similar action would put Canadian packers at a disadvantage vis a vis packers in the US. This would lead to increased exports of live cows if and when the border opens.
11.Substantial quantities of manufacturing type beef are derived from the trim on fed cattle and this supply can influence the price of cull cows. The amount of material available from fed cattle carcasses varies by season and by market conditions.
12.The report suggests that once the border was closed to OTM cattle, the grading system for cull cows became irrelevant with age being the only determinant of value. The consultants suggest that the current cow grading system is a very poor measure of value and that work being done by the industry to develop an improved value based grading system for cow carcasses needs to be completed regardless of whether or not the border is re-opened.
13.The consultants suggest that an accurate system of age verification is essential if Canada is to develop secure international beef markets.
14.The report considers the impact that Canada's beef import regime has had and could have on the price and trade in cull cows. It concludes that the existence of Supplementary Import Licenses has distorted trade between the US and Canada and if left in place will lead to increased cow exports if and when the border re-opens.

Did you notice the diference between the 500 bucks lost by the producer and the 50 bucks extra that it cost your packers?

On another note Scotty - Here's a couple of quotes from one of your American hero's who got the Nobel Prize for BSE research.

Dr. Stanely Prunsiner (in response to a question about BSE testing at a recent meeting in Calgary Alberta.
" The biggest problem with the BSE situation in Canada is the irrational bully to the south. The Canadian BSE situation is being dictated by the USDA and large meat packing corporations" He added that "the US policy is completely nuts and irrational". Mr. Prusiner believes that all cows should be tested.

Here is an American Hero Scotty. One who you helped crown the King of the Prion with his infectious theory. Will you now have him charged with treason. Hung for his packer BWWAAAMMMIN attitude.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Rod you mentioned about Canadian producers scratching their heads over that report. Was that because they did their own study or that someone in the coffee shop told them so?

:roll: C'mon BMR, cattle producers aren't idiots. They can add and subtract. They know what they're receiving for money, and they know what the store charges for their product. Most also know that the store is certainly not getting rich selling their undervalued animals. That leaves one place, and one place only thats making money.

BTW, BMR, you never said what the SSGA's next step was in getting BSE testing. Since their voice was drowned out by the packers at the CCA meetings, whats the next plan of attack?

And you may want to hit to a coffee shop every now and again. It'll give you an idea of how the common cattle producers feel these days, not just your SSGA members. Perhaps alot of the information is heresay, but I think you could benefit from just listening to the feelings of the producers. I know I certainly miss it since I've been helping a couple producer-driven concerns with their business plans.

And, SH, from your exerpt:

"Gross margin does relate directly to profitability."

Perhaps maybe you should read your own stories? A 200% gross margin is incredible and 99% of firms would kill for that kind of gross.

Rod
 
Big Muddy -
Say Randy could you tell me how many cows Cargill kills at High River.?


Was Lakeside able to kill cows while it was shipping UTM beef to the US ?
Don't know exactly BMR - maybe you could call and ask. They don't want give me any more info - just like the CCA dipshit who said he wouldn't listen to any questions from BIG C members at our recent ABP meeting.

Why on earth would Lakeside have wanted to kill cows when shipping stolen UTM product from your neighbors BMR. The major salmon run slowed for UTM when the border opened but the cull cow salmon run had only just begun - and continues to this day. Lakeside kills cows now - just like Cargill does. Give em a call and ask them for exact numbers. And my checkoff dollars and yours help to sell this cow meat stolen from those same neighbors.
 
Are you sure about Cargill killing cows because they didn't before BSE.
Yes Tyson did kill cows and when they were in the market our prices went up. They did have times because of the rules they couldn't kill OTM and UTM in the same plant.

To bad those ABP fellows have taken such a dislike to you. I sure couldn't imagine why. I still think with that 95% support from cattlemen that you had you guys don't stage a coup and take over ABP.

Randy I don't know why with the huge profits in the packing industry you guys couldn't sell your plan to private investors. Just think of how much could have made processing cows.
 
Quite sure about Cargill killing cows Big Muddy. If you owned the plant and saw the potential profits - would you change your line to accommodate a salmon run like the one they are experiencing due to a BS captive market.

You know Big Muddy - a lot of the ABP folks actually like Randy Kaiser and appreciate his candor. Had two resolutions that I moved passed without challenge. Others however are intimidated by the truth and defensively act like children in the face of challenge like the CCA dipshit that I referred to earlier.

As far as the BIG C plant idea raping the producers of our country like your current multinational heroes. That was not the plan. The plan was to open new markets through BSE testing etc. to stop the captive market enjoyed by your buddies and change the value of cull cows. But wiser minds like yours prevailed Big Muddy, and the cull cow salmon run- producer rape job continues.
 
rkaiser said:
Quite sure about Cargill killing cows Big Muddy. If you owned the plant and saw the potential profits - would you change your line to accommodate a salmon run like the one they are experiencing due to a BS captive market.

You know Big Muddy - a lot of the ABP folks actually like Randy Kaiser and appreciate his candor. Had two resolutions that I moved passed without challenge. Others however are intimidated by the truth and defensively act like children in the face of challenge like the CCA dipshit that I referred to earlier.

As far as the BIG C plant idea raping the producers of our country like your current multinational heroes. That was not the plan. The plan was to open new markets through BSE testing etc. to stop the captive market enjoyed by your buddies and change the value of cull cows. But wiser minds like yours prevailed Big Muddy, and the cull cow salmon run- producer rape job continues.


So your quite sure but not certain about Cargill. They didn't used to kill cows. Maybe someone in the know can inform us for certain. I can maybe make a call tomorrow.


Glad you have friends in ABP and are using the process set up to hear producers concerns and ideas. Imagine, what a concept. I have heard guys say they don't listen.

Gee Randy you could have tapped right into the "Ethical "and "Green" investors for that Big C Packing plant. Returned those profits back to the producers that supplied cows and created competion in the market place.

You could have stopped the rape.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Gee Randy you could have tapped right into the "Ethical "and "Green" investors for that Big C Packing plant. Returned those profits back to the producers that supplied cows and created competion in the market place.

You could have stopped the rape.

Hmmmm, BMR, for someone who is a card carrying member and grand poobah of the SSGA, an organization who is supposedly out to represent the producer's best interests, you certainly treat with disdain some people who have taken actual steps to helping producers. I take it you'd rather see our current rediculous situation remain unchanged? With a couple packing plants raping producers and returning those profits back to the USA?

Rod
 
...bmr...you truly are a piece of work...yesterday cow calf producers like yourself were trying to sell their bred cows...they caught a bid of 400 dollars...they obviously passed them ... the packers up here should be embarrassed...
 
...bmr...you truly are a piece of work...yesterday cow calf producers like yourself were trying to sell their bred cows...they caught a bid of 400 dollars...they obviously passed them ... the packers up here should be embarrassed...
 
Rod I am a card carrying member of the SSGA and I am proud to be able to work for producers in this industry. No I am not the "Grand Poobah" Just a member that takes time to try to contribute.

What's wrong with promoting a packing plant to the "Ethical" investors? Many other investment firms do it. Since Big C had a plan to correct some of the problems in the industry and such strong producer support why not go for it.

Blackjack what's the packer got to do with $400 bred cows? Were they only fit for the packers?
 

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