• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

Canadians Scared?-Or Not Proud of their Beef?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Anonymous
  • Start date Start date
A

Anonymous

Guest
CattleNetwork_Today 3/2/2007 12:00:00 PM


Canada Cattle, Hog Industries Prepare To Make Case Vs Labeling



WINNIPEG (Dow Jones)--Canada's cattle and hog industries say they are preparing to again step up their case against the U.S. government's Country Of Origin Labeling, or COOL, rules.


And industry officials say they're ready to put up a fight.



The proposed rules would require mandatory country-of-origin labeling on beef, lamb, pork, fish, agricultural commodities and peanuts. If passed, beef from cattle not born, raised and slaughtered in the U.S., for example, would have to be labeled with the country of its origin.



"Country of Origin Labeling in retail is a form of interruptive access," said Ted Haney, president of the Canadian Beef Export Federation, or CBEF. "It's not designed for health, it's not designed for food safety ... it is designed solely to force identification of non-U.S. products to U.S. consumers."



The Canadian Pork Council made submissions to the U.S. Department of Agriculture earlier this week as the agency opened a comment period for COOL, said Martin Rice, the organization's executive director.



"We essentially pointed out that while COOL may work for something like fish and shellfish, the same cannot be said about the cattle and hog sector," Rice said. "You have to remember it's much simpler to track fish and shellfish, given that there are no feedlots involved, there are no auction yards where feeder fish come and go, there is no finishing of the animal, etc. ..."



Such rules, if adopted, would have serious ramifications on the amount of beef and cattle Canada exports to the U.S., according to industry officials. The amendment has had trouble passing, and has twice been delayed from implementation.



Some in the U.S. industry have pushed for the rules because they say it would help from a marketing perspective given that the rules would be designed to underscore increased safety measures. Others in the U.S. industry say they are against it because of, among other things, the costs of implementation.



COOL was originally expected to be implemented by the Fall of 2004, said the Canadian Pork Council's Rice. It has had two subsequent delays, with the implementation now scheduled for September 30, 2008.



Rice said a bill is now in place in Congress aimed at moving the implementation a year ahead.



Haney said the Canadian cattle industry is a bit better poised heading into this round of pleading their case against implementation.



"Canada's beef sector is better prepared this time around because we are clear as to what the objectives are and how to compensate, but we also stand to be injured greatly because we don't have normalized access to key markets in Asia at this time."


"Prior to the BSE outbreak in Canada, the beef industry export dependence on the U.S. for processed product was just over 70%," he said. "Canada's beef processing industry has already stated its intention to bring that dependency down to the 50% level."



Haney acknowledged that since BSE, Canada's dependence on the U.S. as a destination for its beef products has gone back up to 85%. Part of that was associated with Canada's now-restricted access to Japan and lack of access to Taiwan, Thailand, South Korea or mainland China, which were Canada's chief sources of trade diversification.



But efforts to remove those restrictions were continuing, Haney said, noting that some breakthroughs with China were close.



Canada's Beef Information Center is undertaking efforts to limit the effects of COOL on the cattle sector.



"The Beef Information Center has been out ahead of this situation and has been working with industry participants in order to understand the impact of the rules on beef distributors and users in both Canada and the U.S.," Haney said. "One of the key tactics has been to increase the use of Canadian beef by the U.S. food sector, which will not be covered by COOL."



He said there will be a re-shifting of Canadian beef products moving into the U.S. as a result while the efforts to open offshore markets continues.



"The hope is that Canada will be able to maintain its value and its market share," he said.



Rice said another key problem with COOL is that it will represent an additional financial burden on retailers and wholesalers in the U.S. and Canada.



"Retailers in both countries, from what we know, have not found that COOL will provide any benefit, or that consumers in the U.S. will even embrace the idea once there is an increased cost involved," Rice said.



Haney agreed, noting that the CBEF has also heard mixed messages coming from the different sectors in the U.S., with most not supportive of the program.



"These U.S. outlets do not view this program as a demand-enhancing tool, but rather one that will increase cost," Haney said. "This means that the cost will eventually be transferred back down to U.S. cattle producers."



Source: Dwayne Klassen, Dow Jones Newswires; (204) 947-1700; [email protected]
 
OT,

If you spent as much time promoting US beef in your home country as you do trashing the Canadian product and producers you would forsure increase consumption down there.
 
"These U.S. outlets do not view this program as a demand-enhancing tool, but rather one that will increase cost," Haney said. "This means that the cost will eventually be transferred back down to U.S. cattle producers."

We're plenty proud of our beef. :clap:

It's the added costs that we don't like.

I can see two ways this will be dealt with. One way around that is to process it all here (In Cargill and IBP plants), and ship it to you in boxes instead. I guess your smaller packers won't miss the extra revenue eh? They won't mind shutting down so the big boys can have it all to themselves eh?

It won't cost Cargill any more to put a stamp on a box here, and if it makes your cattle a little cheaper that's a bonus for them.

Alternative two is that your feedlots will be filled to the brim with Canadian calves. OTM's will not be an issue. They'll be processed here with all the extra capacity we have now.

Whatever, things will change, and it won't be individual cattle producers on either side of the border who will benefit. We can all count on that. The big boys can find a profit in any scenario that comes up. :!:
 
We essentially pointed out that while COOL may work for something like fish and shellfish, the same cannot be said about the cattle and hog sector," Rice said. "You have to remember it's much simpler to track fish and shellfish,
AS Mr. KANITZ say from ScoringAg, Fish is tougher to track .He Says. First the actual fishing site needs to be addressed.Where in the ocean was it caught ,was it in the two hunderd mile limit or outside,Who did the catching,was it a US Boat or Canadian ,Where was it delivered to ,US port or Canadian?

given that there are no feedlots involved, there are no auction yards

Don't theysell fish on the warf to the highest bidder?

where feeder fish come and go, there is no finishing of the animal,

Who processed them and labeled the fish to prove source verification
My dime as I called the ScoringAg home office.
etc. ..."
 
From: Bill Bullard, CEO
Date: February 21, 2007
Subject: Time to Implement COOL: Letters to Congress Needed.

R-CALF USA members were in Washington, D.C., last week urging Congress to implement country-of-origin labeling for beef by September 2007. You will recall that COOL opponents successfully delayed implementation of COOL for beef until September 2008, so we need Congress to pass a new law to move the date to 2007.

COOL opponents are lobbying hard to convince Congress that the COOL law is unworkable and should be changed. However, the COOL law has been successfully implemented for fish and shellfish since April 2005, and it's been working ever since! It's now time to implement COOL for beef.

Please consider writing a personal letter to your Senators and Representatives explaining to them why you want COOL implemented by September 2007. In your letter, you can explain that USDA found solutions to all the perceived problems when they wrote the rules for fish and shellfish, and these same solutions can now be used as a model to implement COOL for beef. A new rule for implementing COOL for beef should:

— Allow packers to indicate beef has come from imported animals without having to specify each further production step that may have occurred in the U.S.;

— Allow packers to label blended products with a list of the countries of origin that may be contained in the product, rather than a definitive list of each country;

— Allow retailers to rely on pre-labeled products for origin claims;

— Allow meat packers to rely on country markings that already are applied to cattle imports in order to determine origin;

— Eliminate unnecessary and duplicative record-keeping requirements regarding chain of custody and separate tracking during the production process to allow packers and retailers to rely on documents they already keep in the ordinary course of business;

— Reduce the record retention requirement from two years to one year; and

— Specify that producers and retailers do not need to demand affidavits or third party verification audits of suppliers in order to adequately substantiate origin claims.
COOL for fish and shellfish is already working under a common-sense approach. The same can be done for beef, and it can be done under current law without further delay. The changes outlined above would help address any legitimate concerns about the costs of the labeling program, while preserving the full benefits of mandatory COOL for U.S. cattle producers and for their consumers.
Your letters will help build the momentum to implement COOL that was started during R-CALF USA's Washington, D.C. fly-in last week. If we start early, we'll win early!




FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Statement From the Food Marketing Institute on the Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling Law
Mandatory country of origin labeling (COOL) for seafood is failing to deliver the benefits promised by the law. It has not increased sales of U.S. seafood. At the same time, the supermarket industry's cost to comply with the law is up to 10 times higher than the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) estimated when it issued the interim final rule for labeling seafood.
Proponents of mandatory COOL are nonetheless urging Congress to implement the law for produce, meat and peanuts sooner than September 30, 2008. This move would be extremely unwise given the industry's two and one-half years of experience labeling seafood under this law. The Food Marketing Institute (FMI) presented comments to USDA this week in response to the agency's request for cost and benefit information.

"The industry's experience underscores the need to replace the law with a flexible, industry-led program that would be far less costly and provide information that would actually resonate with consumers, such as 'Wild Alaskan Salmon,' 'Georgia Peaches' or 'Vidalia Onions,'" said FMI President and CEO Tim Hammonds.

Hammonds added, "Because of limited label space and limited time for busy consumers to make their decisions, when government continually mandates requirements for signs and labels that generate large fines for noncompliance, we have the labeling equivalent of Gresham's Law: Bad information drives out the good.

"A law this flawed cannot be corrected simply by tinkering with the administrative rules. The likely result of tinkering around the margins would be to make the bureaucratic nightmare and the resulting costs even worse, not better. The only way out of this mess is to replace the current law with something useful."

The comments contrasted USDA's first-year cost estimates to implement the law for retailers and their intermediary suppliers with the industry's actual expenses based on FMI case studies involving more than 1,000 stores:

Retailer cost per store

USDA Estimate:$1,530

Actual Cost: $9,000-$16,000

Supplier cost per company

USDA Estimate: $1,890

Actual Cost: $200,000-$250,000


The food industry has proposed an effective, flexible labeling model that would communicate the same information in ways consumers would actually find useful without driving costs sky high. "It is time for Congress to correct its mistake and let the industry implement a plan that delivers more without building in the excessive costs that ultimately discourage consumers from buying the seafood we all want to promote. Food retailers are not opposed to providing consumers with country of origin information. We are opposed to doing it with a government program that drives the cost of food unnecessarily high," Hammonds said.

Bullard says M'COOL has been successful for Seafood. But there has been No increased sales of US seafood and it carried a tab 10x larger that estimated. :roll:
 
I guess Ted Haney hasn't heard SH's "novelty beef" arguement. That would probably turn him right around.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I wonder how much it costs them to put 70/30 on a package of hamburger as opposed to 80/20.
 
Haney acknowledged that since BSE, Canada's dependence on the U.S. as a destination for its beef products has gone back up to 85%.


Thanks to USDA's lack of concern for US consumers and the safety of the US cattle herd, Canada is riding on the shirttails of the industry the US cattleman built... :( :( :mad:
 
Tommy said:
Tam...Statement From the Food Marketing Institute on the Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling Law

A real non biased report I bet.

Food Marketing Institute (FMI) conducts programs in research, education, industry relations and public affairs on behalf of its 1,500 member companies - food retailers and wholesalers - in the United States and around the world. FMI's U.S. members operate approximately 26,000 retail food stores with a combined annual sales volume of $340 billion - three-quarters of all retail food store sales in the United States. FMI's retail membership is composed of large multi-store chains, regional firms and independent supermarkets. Its international membership includes 200 companies from 50 countries.
I think I would take FMI's word over Bullard's about the effect of M'COOL on Seafood. Thank you.
 
Tam said:
Tommy said:
Tam...Statement From the Food Marketing Institute on the Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling Law

A real non biased report I bet.

Food Marketing Institute (FMI) conducts programs in research, education, industry relations and public affairs on behalf of its 1,500 member companies - food retailers and wholesalers - in the United States and around the world. FMI's U.S. members operate approximately 26,000 retail food stores with a combined annual sales volume of $340 billion - three-quarters of all retail food store sales in the United States. FMI's retail membership is composed of large multi-store chains, regional firms and independent supermarkets. Its international membership includes 200 companies from 50 countries.
I think I would take FMI's word over Bullard's about the effect of M'COOL on Seafood. Thank you.

I can see why you'd rather take FMI's word too-- since you have to label 85% of your export beef with the USDA label and pass it off as US product to sell it... :shock: :(
 
I find the article amusing. Canadian officials are crying their Asian markets aren't fully opened yet so they do not want to be burdened with COOL but want to continue to export to USA as before. When producers in the USA say they don't want Canadian livestock across the border for the very same reason that their exports markets aren't fully open to Asian countries they get blasted from every side. It looks like to me the Canadian official was only thinking what was good for Canada and who gives a rat's a$$ about the USA producer. JMHO
 
feeder said:
I find the article amusing. Canadian officials are crying their Asian markets aren't fully opened yet so they do not want to be burdened with COOL but want to continue to export to USA as before. When producers in the USA say they don't want Canadian livestock across the border for the very same reason that their exports markets aren't fully open to Asian countries they get blasted from every side. It looks like to me the Canadian official was only thinking what was good for Canada and who gives a rat's a$$ about the USA producer. JMHO

Yep feeder-- and OUR USDA seems to have little concern about the US consumer, the US cattle herd, or the longterm vitality of the US cattle industry or our export markets....

Just think- this 85% of all exports is without the OTM's...What will be the percentage of Canadian beef exports going to the US if USDA implements Rule 2? 99.5% :???: ......

No wonder Canadians are scared of honesty, transparency, and the truth in labeling-- and are fighting M-COOL... When they can't export or sell anything outside their country unless its passed off as US beef...... :( :( :mad:
 
Too bad there wasn't a Canadian packing industry, then you could go after the markets in the EU and Asia. Ain't this North American industry concept that NCBA/AMI sold you on just a great deal?
 
Sancheska: "I guess Ted Haney hasn't heard SH's "novelty beef" arguement. That would probably turn him right around."

Canadians should be pushing for "M"COOL because when they labeled their beef as "SOURCE VERIFIED MAPLE LEAF BEEF" they could tamp "M"COOL right in your ash with the sales. I have absolutely no doubt about it. If you guys are stupid enough to give Canadian producers that advantage, I'm all for introducing you to your own ignorance.

It's already been done with New Zealand lamb.

I believe Ted Haney is absolutely wrong!

The only way I would give Ted Haney's arguments credibility is if he has seen R-CULT's lying tactics to where they would spend their time lying about Canadian beef once it was segregated but I don't believe there is enough of it to give the lies any leverage. Enough US consumers would be smart enough to see through R-CULT's "tainted beef" "contaminated" lies.

"M"COOL proponents like you really do need to learn a lesson about your own ignorance. You'd pay for labeling, you'd pay for segregation, and Canadian beef would benefit. That's how smart you aren't!


~SH~
 
It's already been done with New Zealand lamb.

How about those nasty ash sewage fed Vietnamese fish that were being pawned off as "Southern Raised Grain Fed Catfish"?

When the COOL Labels went on...............the imports to the USA stopped.

Yea buddy, me and ALL my friends scrambled for that New Zealand lamb.

:roll:
 
Added costs are going to be covered somehow, and I bet that would be by paying less for the raw product. It certainly won't come out of the packer's pockets. :shock:

Removing even more players from the market than are in it now (ie smaller processors) can not be good for American cattle producers.

On the other hand, SH, you just may have a point there..I'm sure there must be a way to promote our beef with the labelling too, so it doesn't have to be bad news for us.

We could use this to promote the benefits of that top quality barley fed beef we produce here. We could make ads of feedlots in Alberta, with the big blue sky and clean air of the mountains in the background, and set that up beside a picture of a mud bog of a Texas feedlot packed with fifty thousand steers up to their bellys in mud. :wink:

Maple Leaf beef, grown in the clean wide open spaces. 8) Processed by plants held to a higher standard of quality, and monitored by government inspectors with a reputation for integrity and honesty.

R-Calf management has spent a good deal of time trying to undermine the credibility of the American meat processing and inspection systems, while we've held on to our credibility even though it's been painful to do so. That just might pay off in the long run eh? :!:
 
Kato, jump on R-CALF's Country of Origin labeling horse and introduce them to their ignorance.



~SH~
 
Oldtimer said:
feeder said:
I find the article amusing. Canadian officials are crying their Asian markets aren't fully opened yet so they do not want to be burdened with COOL but want to continue to export to USA as before. When producers in the USA say they don't want Canadian livestock across the border for the very same reason that their exports markets aren't fully open to Asian countries they get blasted from every side. It looks like to me the Canadian official was only thinking what was good for Canada and who gives a rat's a$$ about the USA producer. JMHO

Yep feeder-- and OUR USDA seems to have little concern about the US consumer, the US cattle herd, or the longterm vitality of the US cattle industry or our export markets....

Just think- this 85% of all exports is without the OTM's...What will be the percentage of Canadian beef exports going to the US if USDA implements Rule 2? 99.5% :???: ......

No wonder Canadians are scared of honesty, transparency, and the truth in labeling-- and are fighting M-COOL... When they can't export or sell anything outside their country unless its passed off as US beef...... :( :( :mad:

Oldtimer, we sell our beef and cattle to the highest bidder, period. Don't you????
If there is anything I can do to help you get M'COOL passed, please let me know. My cattle can be traced back from the slaughter plant to my yard. Can the average USA producer say the same???
Keep telling yourself I am scared to stand behind my product,Festus. Throw in a couple more of them "shirtail" things,while you're at it. That never gets old. :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

Latest posts

Back
Top