Carbon Credits

[burnt]

Grassfarmer, does it not mean something rather sinister when you have an already corrupted Board of Trade pimping an idea that was developed by a pseudo science group that prostitutes algore/davidsuzuki type whores to the innocent?

Where is your conscience, man?

I guess this is turning into a political bull discussion but read the link that I provided a few posts above. The whole damn thing is fraudulent. Go to the National post and read the archives - Terrence Corcoran, for instance.

The (Michael) "Mann"-made global warming group is a bunch of bare-faced liars, and you want to capitalize on it?

 

[RSL]

I don't see how agriculture can come out winners in the long run.
A Ecological Goods and Services payment for good stewardship, protection of endangered species and watershed and riparian protection would be nice but i am afraid the NGO's DU and NCC for eg. would find a way to farm it before it got to the real producers/protector on the land.

Our county is just embarking on a pilot project to do just that. We are one of the first sign ons. It is a bit of an experiment for us, but the way it is set up is that all projects are reviewed by a panel of farmers with help from knowledgeable assistants such as the conservation association, and cows and fish. The program pays for work done by the "farmer's own hand" and the projects are designed by the farmer and approved/disproved by a committee of farmer peers. No government involvement other than the support of the County.
It was modeled after a project in Norfolk County in Ontario.
http://www.norfolkalus.com/

 

[Anonymous]

Grassfarmer, you can't get paid for the carbon you already have sequestered. Only for what you increase, seeing that you already manage your grass well, I don't think you can have much more of an increase.

That would depend on how the rules were written...In one of the proposed bills- it would allow land already put into qualifying programs (low till/pasture/treeland/etc- so it didn't penalize those already involved in a low carbon footprint production....I think it went back 7 or 10 years...
It was an amendment Stupak put in- and I don't know how it shook out since in the continued hearings....

I agree with grassfarmer- don't throw the baby out with the bathwater just because the bathwater is cold... We need to be and need our Associations to be on top of all energy and cap and trade laws- and if they go thru make sure Ag is included and gets a fair share...
Under the years of the government giving away our sovereignty under the WTO and free trade agreements-- subsidies of any kind will have to end (or our ability to export will end)...And the only funding left to help producers stay in business will be those that fall under conservation programs (EQUIP, conservancy programs, and Cap and Trade come to mind first)...
Before you scream- I hate subsidies and think they should have been done away with 40 years ago--but I also recognize there is a sizeable amount of producers around that could not continue without some program...
Personally- I don't think mandatory Cap and Trade can pass this year--but will continue to become a bigger program because of increasing world wide enviromental laws- with each new rule giving more demand...