• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

cargill emerald mineral with aureomycin and BioMOS

M

myers land & cattle

New member
Joined
Oct 31, 2006
Messages
1
Location
wyoming
We attended a mineral dinner presentation by Cargill touting their mineral that prevents scours and enterotoxemia(overeating disease) in baby calves. It is fed 14 days before calving and until calves are 45 days old. BioMOS is a mannose sugar that the gram negative bacteria (e.coli and clostridium) bind with and are passed out with the feces without causing disease. It is $1047 a Ton and the calves must eat it also. Has anyone out there used this mineral and did it work as advertised? Dying to know!
 
Sorry I have never heard of it. Welcome to the board! I was just wondering how do they feed the baby calves the mineral 14 days prior to calving? :wink: :lol: Your first post and you get a smart alec.

have a cold one

lazy ace
 
I have heard of the BioMoss... Might have been on this site and I know my nutrionist talked about a product that would help with e-coli but is big bucks.... I would think the scour guard shots and a good mineral program to begin with would probably be a good starting point.. the Biomoss might help but my calves don't eat too much mineral until they are 30 days old anyways... AT 1000 bucks a ton and that feed scheduale looks like I would be talking 100 days at that feed amount... Yikes.. An if you had a 90 day calving period would you feeed it until your last calf was 45 days old? 150 days fomr start to finish?

That reminds me, I need to call my mineral rep and talk to him.. Bad Anthony.. Bad.
 
We use Cargill mineral and have excellent luck with consumption. Seems to be a good product........will know how good when we preg check. Have not used Biomoss so will watch this thread for reports! You would be surprised at just what fairly new calves will eat- we've used diatomacaous earth to keep calves born in the yard from eating/licking dirt. It seems to help but have trouble finding suitable containers that calves can access but won't be tipped over or spoiled by weather!
 
I used Cargill mineral for years and thought it was great. However, Cargill got too proud of it and priced themselves out of my pasture. I have switched over to Vigortone.
 
Vigortone has BioMoss as well. It is a good product, but our customers
still use the CTC with the BioMoss. Vigortone's BioMoss product is
not anywhere close to Cargill's price, even WITH CTC.

BioMoss will definitely be a hot topic IF and when we lose antibiotics.
Til then, it is available but not the most popular seller right now UNLESS
you are in a hot area for scours. Ranchers have used it with much
success in the Augusta area of Montana where scours were rampant,
and Vigortone mineral with BioMoss and CTC has become the mineral of choice in that area.
We used it here one year, because we don't want to sell something we
have not tried ourselves. We had 100% calf crop that year and didn't treat a calf.

'Course we had 100% calf crop the next year too without any sickness, when we didn't use it.

You feed it to the cow 15-30 days before calving and keep it out
for a period after she calves. Mostly what is important is the calf
gets good quality colostrum. That's where the enhanced immune
system comes from...good colostrum. Young calves will eat mineral
if they can get to it. Our customers report calves eat more than the
cows at certain times. YIPPEE, that's a bonus.

Biomoss works good for dairies where there is a scour problem and they
don't want to use antibiotics if they can help it. I believe that is what
it was first designed for...dairies. In layman's terms
the scour bacteria attaches itself to the protein in the gut and is
passed out the rear end of the cattle.

Just so you know, Vigortone has been in the mineral business much
longer than Cargill.

Any other questions I could help you with?

Good luck!
 
I used to use Vigortone also until it was priced it out of my price range. The local dealer wont let it loose for less than $1000/ton. I really liked the mineral too, only thing was that it had a tendency to blow up here in this windy country. I had the most consistent intake with Vigortone, which I liked.
 
$1000 ton!!!! YIKES!!!

What product were you buying? The only one I can think of that
is that high might be chelated with CTC. Even the Bio-Moss with
CTC isn't that much.

Maybe we can help. Please PM me.

The fall sale is on and must be ordered by Nov. 17, delivered
by Dec. 8th.

Also Can-Am Supply in Miles City are new Vigortone dealers.
 
In all honesty the vigertone I looked at was 400 bucks a ton cheaper than the comparable Kent mineral (Not available everywhere but is around here)and even cheaper still than mormans... I don't know who sells Cargill around here but I am sure it is gettable... I was able to get some vigertone with no CTC mind you but it was a plus at cost from the local dealer as he was trying to move it fast and well, I had the cows to do it, lol.... I think most of the prices were 14 bucks a bag which is 560 a ton.. When adding CTC or IGR it went up a bit but I don't think anything hit over 21 bucks a bag while there was some kent as 27.50.... Need to talk to my dealer tomorrow and my district rep.

Consumption was better too with vigertone although it was not so good on the safeguard one I used but I think I have a solutiopn for that next year (TMR it).. I just need to figure which one I need to be feeding with distillers this winter..
 
The distillers are high in phosphorus, so you can use a 35 product
that contains less phos. Your mineral will cost even less with
that product. Less phos, but 35 products have the highest amount of trace minerals though.
We have our producers, who feed alot of grain hay, on the 35SPL,
which is going to be 3V5S after January.

You guys are putting prices on here and there are other things to
take into consideration...freight for one thing. Wish our freight was
as cheap as yours. Anyway, prices vary from region to region.
 
Yeah... Frieght has a big deal to do with it ( We are real close to the headquarters and the local rep gets a truck once every week or two from them and another place down the road).... The other major factor was the local place that was selling was bought by another elevator and this elevator was trying to move out all the stock they had on hand so where selling at cost for a while..... I bought out their stock and haven't had to go back yet... But I do now so I will have to get used to paying a bit more I guess...

I need to order some ovotone too for the sheep... Luckily I just found my resp card that he left here when he came by and visited.. I wasn't here unfortunately, I wold have liked to have met him.
 
FH, please refresh my memory! I have been feeding 32 S Plus to everything, cows, calves, replacement heifers, and bulls. I think you once told me I could use a more economical formulation for the younger cattle? I'll probably buy just one mineral to keep it simple anyway!

I do feed a corn/distillers ration to my weaned heifers and steers. The P content of the the 32 S Plus is 7%. Ca is 13.5 - 16.2%. I'm going to have to buy another batch of mineral before the end of the year. My Vigortone feed guy also sells Land O Lakes and KayDee.
 
John, you have been doing perfectly!!!

If you feed something high in phos, (any grains or grain hay)
you can feed a mineral containing less phos. If you are feeding
32SPL free choice with corn distillers, they most likely won't eat
enough of the 32SPL to get their requirements of the trace minerals.
Phos is a limiter like salt and cattle won't overeat phos (it is bitter).
Phos is the most expensive ingredient in mineral, so if you feed
a mineral containing less phos, you save some money and still get
the traces in the cattle. We only recommend this with high phos feed
or in the early spring.

Based on the latest research from MSU and CSU, Vigortone has
changed a few things. Not much, but some. Adding more zinc
is the biggest change. Reasearch has proven that ahigher
amounts of zinc makes
the copper more available to the cattle. The new mineral is called
"Next Generation" and what you will want is 3V2S. The sale is on
and for our area they are offering the best sale ever. I imagine it
will be the same for your area. Get ahold of your dealer, because
the sale here only lasts til Nov. 17. Order by then and you can get the
product up to Dec. 8. November 17 is just about 2 weeks away.
Can you believe it?

Cargill owns most (and maybe all) the phosphorus plants in the US.
In January they raised the price of phos substantially, and that raised
the cost of all the mineral sold by every company.

One other little thing, the NRC book keeps lowering the phos
requirement of cattle. Many feedlots now do not feed phos to their
cattle.

Land O' Lakes and Kaydee=read Denny's post. :wink:
Both contain grain products which is not good.

Hope this helps!
 
rjk said:
Land O' Lakes and Kaydee=read Denny's post.
Both contain grain products which is not good.

Isn't distillers a grain product?
Click to expand...

He's feeding the distillar's as part of his growing ration not in his mineral.
 
Denny said:
rjk said:
Land O' Lakes and Kaydee=read Denny's post.
Both contain grain products which is not good.

Isn't distillers a grain product?
Click to expand...

He's feeding the distillar's as part of his growing ration not in his mineral.
Click to expand...
Reading Denny's post about dirt in a bag, I took it to mean grain products in the mineral, which Vigortone does have, at least down here.
 
Thanks for the info, FH! :D

Denny/rjk, yes, I do feed distillers in my ration. I note that "corn distillers dried grains with solubles" is listed in the ingredients of the Vigortone 32 S Plus.

rjk raises a valid point. Does distillers not count as grain, FH????

I also have a tag from a bag of "Ranch Hand Calving and Breeding Mineral" which is a private label custom blend for another local feed supplier that I have used. The guaranteed analysis is quite similar to the Vigortone 32 S Plus.

Vigortone 32S+ Ranch Hand C/B
Ca (min) 13.5% 14%
Ca (max) 16.2% 16%
P 7% 10%
NaCl(min) 18.2% 7%
NaCl(max) 21.8% 8.4%
Magnesium 1% 1%
Copper ppm 2500 3000
Selenium ppm 26.4 7
Zinc ppm 4000 4200
Manganese ppm ???? 3800
Vit A IU/lb 300000 400000
Vit D3 IU 30000 40000
Vit E IU/lb 200 400

That didn't post quite like I intended it to but I hope it is readable! The RH mineral ingredients include "distillers dried grains" I have also fed both the KayDee and LOL products and here are some of my unscientific observations. The RH, Vigortone, and LOL products all have a fine texture compared to the granualar KayDee. Vigortone is the most uniform and least dusty texture. There is a lot of difference in the volume/density of mineral. 50 lbs of RH mineral takes a bigger bag to contain it than 50 lbs of Vigortone.
 
At least I've got you guys looking at tags!!!

Don't want to put words in Denny's mouth but I think he meant
the mineral he mentioned was like "dirt in a bag"...in other words,
they don't amount to much. :P

As for the 'corn distillers dried grain with solubles' there is only
enough to keep the yeast active. When mineral contains 'grain
by products' it will get hard when wet. Vigortone stands up to
weather very well. No grain to clump or sour. If Vigortone gets
wet, unless it is a deluge, it will get a hard crust on the very top.
Go in and break it up and the cows will go right back and eat it.
No so with mineral that contains grain. It will set up more like
concrete and the cattle won't touch it.

Remember, tags are one thing and can easily be duplicated.
Ingredients are a different story. Vigortone has a slogan, "They
copied what we put on the tag; they should have copied what
the put in the bag."

Vigortone is a performance mineral. Cattle really perform on it.
The new "Next Generation" mineral will have a slightly different
tag, John, and will come in a white and blue bag. They added more
zinc (7500 ppm), took out all the iron as iron ties up copper and
added more Vitamin A. They did away with the mineral oil to settle
the dust, as it is a petroleum product and they now use soybean oil.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top