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Cattle-Killing Wolves in NM & AZ, Dog Killers in Idaho

Ranchy

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This was sent to us, by the President of the Gila Cattle Growers Association. She's one of the main ways we get info on what they're up to!



So far the Nantac pack has killed at least 6 head of stock on Loretta Rabenau's ranch in the past three weeks. Most of the known kills have happened in the past week.

Yesterday morning the FWS with Loretta found a third cow and calf. They were confirmed last night.

The first calf was a probable since Loretta actually did see the wolves eating it.

The second was a young healthy cow with no visible marks on her in the wolf inhabited area that was not examined due to everyones inexperience with wolf kills, there is a learning curve with new sufferers.

The third was another cow and calf the cow was confirmed as a wolf kill the calf is still missing.

The new cow and calf were killed around day before yesterday sometime.

They are killing more than they need it appears they are killing the calves and the cows are fighting them, so they run and harrass the cows too. Yesterdays victim was one of Loretta's favorite cows a "named cow", obviously it is very upsetting to her and the rest of the family.
All the carcasses have been limed so there will likley be another kill soon it is unpreventable at this point one more kill is a strike three if it can be confirmed.

If the third strike happens, then there will probably be control measures taken.

In another twist, unfortunately Dan Stark our local wolf biologist, has a GPS collar on the Nantac male and his masters study will be in jeopardy if the control effort happens before the collar falls off in (guessing here) about 20-30 days. As much as we would like to support some predation data, most of us agree that, for the sake of our families and well being of our livestock, we cannot tolorate more than one more strike.

Thank goodness for the ranchers who get out and find those kills fast.

Laura
 
Anyone who thinks those of us who are dealing with wolves are paranoid or exaggerating just a little should take a camping trip in wolf country with their dogs. These programs are nothing less than discrimination against people who traditionally use the land. A removal tool that has been very affective so far.

In a message dated 6/7/06 9:33:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
Well, the wolf disaster continues to grow and manifiest itself. Once again we have cast aside what our forefathers from experience knew best - in this case about the compatibility of man and wolves. Distant urbanites charmed by radical environmentalists have supported the government dumping of Canadian wolves into our forests - an act that has, in fact, created an environmental disaster that is becoming daily more apparent. Canadian biologists, like Val Geist, look on with incrudility at all of this and warn of the final phase of the "predator pit" and the accompanying pathegens and parasites that will endanger humans as well as wildlife.

After reading the article below, will you go unarmed into our forests or take your dogs with you?

John L. Runft
(Runft Law Offices, Boise, Idaho)

http://www.idahopress.com/articles/2006/06/07/news/news3.prt

Close encounter raises concerns about wolves
By Scott Richards - For the Idaho Press-Tribune

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GRANGEVILLE — Hello. My name is Scott Richards. I have lived in Grangeville for the last 17 years. I have enjoyed training my hunting dogs for the past 34 years.
To do this it takes a great deal of love for your dogs and for the great outdoors. I have always prided myself in the manner of which I train my dogs and take care of them. When I choose a new pup, he or she spends the first 6 months in my house. He or she is loved and a bond is there forever.
I do not believe there are bad dogs, just inexperienced owners. I have spent the last four years trying to introduce this sport to as many young people as I can. My photo albums are full of pictures with children sitting under a tree with the dogs, telling them they did a good job.
That has all changed now.
The reason I am writing this story is not to debate whether the Canadian gray wolf should be or should not be here. I am not going to debate anyone about how many wolves are really in the state of Idaho. I will say our elk, moose and deer populations are in serious trouble now.
The real reason I am telling this story is that I have a conscience, and what happened to my dogs and me Wednesday, May 24, at 9:45 a.m. might open a few eyes.
It's been a few days now, and the shock has turned from fear to disbelief to anger, and now the major concern for the safety of anyone who lives in or visits our state. My life that I have loved raising and training these special working dogs is now over.
Crying wolf
This Wednesday morning started like most days when I train dogs. I was a few miles from my house and turned up the hill on the Service Flats Road. I let my dogs out of the box, jumped into my truck and followed them up the road for a mile, letting them clean out. I had eight dogs with me, and seven of them were very experienced 2, 3 and 4-year-olds. I had one five-month-old pup.
I loaded four dogs on top of the box and four inside the box. I did not have to drive far, and the dogs sounded off, letting me know a bear had crossed the road.
My friend, Bryon, had driven up from Lewiston to train some of his young dogs.
I turned out a 4-year-old named Jasper. He left the road and let me know the track was fresh. I told Bryon to turn his dogs loose as did I. They quickly dropped into a canyon, where bears hang in the brushy bottoms in daylight hours.
When all the dogs reached the bottom, five went up the other side of the canyon headed toward Fish Creek campground. The other group of dogs came right back up the hill to us. They put the bears in a tree 20 minutes later.
The other group of dogs treed about the same time about 1 1/2 miles away. Bryon and I went to the nearest dogs first. When we were under the tree, we found they had a mature sow and a 2-year-old cub. We took a few pictures and were back in the trucks ready to go to the other dogs.
We drove back up to where we heard the group of five dogs top over and shortly thereafter tree the bear. We checked where the dogs still had the bear treed. We drove as close as we could and stopped and listened.
They were about 400 yards away, treeing solid. I made the decision to move the truck 200 yards to the low side of the saddle; this would be an easy way back with the dogs. When Bryon and I crested the hill, instead of hearing a roar of barking dogs treeing, we heard nothing. We were looking at each other like, "Where did they go? We just heard them there five minutes ago."
One dog barked, and another barked just 50 yards away. I said to Bryon that neither of the dogs we heard sounded like any of our dogs. He agreed. Then I heard a dog bark that I knew was mine, but at the end of his bark there was a sharp yelp. Bryon and I headed down the hill in a hurry about 75 yards apart.
About 300 yards down the hill I was stopped dead in my tracks by a big dark-colored wolf. Blackey, my dog, was getting attacked; I was 20 yards away now and closing fast, screaming and yelling as I ran. I stopped at about 12 feet from the wolf, and even though I was screaming and waving my arms, the wolf did not break from the attack. Every time Blackey tried to run, the wolf would sink his teeth into Blackey's hindquarters.
All the while I was screaming louder than I ever screamed in my life. Without any thought I picked up a 4-foot stick, stepped toward the wolf, swung and hit a tree. When the branch went crack and the tree went thud, the wolf instantly lunged at me.
I remember thinking I was going to die.
I ran from tree to tree straight up hill toward my truck. When that wolf lunged at me, I believed I would have been seriously hurt or dead if not for Blackey. I did not see what took place, but what I heard was my dog giving his life to save me.
As I reached the truck, Bryon was digging around in his truck for a gun. As I ran up he started yelling, "We got wolves." I was trying to listen to him as I was searching for a gun as I took my pistol in my hand and turned toward Bryon.
When I looked into his eyes I realized I was not the only one threatened by wolves. We headed back down to see if we could save Blackey, Lady or Halley, but there was no sound. I wanted to hear a bell dingle or a bark, but nothing. As Bryon and I hurried back to the truck to get my tracking box, I finally understood that Bryon was able to fight off three wolves and save two dogs. Snyper and Bullet were safe in the dog box with no life-threatening injuries.
With the tracking box in hand, I tuned in on Lady's tracking collar and said to Bryon, "Not Lady, not Lady," but I knew she was dead. Then I tuned to Blackey and told Bryon that Blackey was dead, and then I tuned in Halley's collar. One beep every four seconds — that means all three dogs had not moved for at least five minutes. All dead.
I was just standing there in shock.
We decided to look for Halley first. We were getting real close; the receiver was pegging the needle. I knew that with a few more steps I would be looking at one of my babies.
My heart skipped a beat when Halley's tree switch went off. I didn't know if she was alive or if a wolf was dragging her off. We ran the direction the needle was pointing, and in a few yards there she was.
She was trying to get up; her stomach was ripped open and her guts were hanging out a foot. She had more than 60 bite marks and deep gashes all over her body. Her stomach was torn in multiple spots.
Bryon went into action. Of came his shirt, and we wrapped it tightly around her stomach. I carried her back to Bryon's truck and put her in the front seat; Brian headed for the vets. I remember thinking I wouldn't see Halley alive again.
I started tracking Blackey next; it did not take long to find him. He wasn't far from where the wolf came after me. He was dead and lying in a pool of his own blood. He was bit and torn so full of holes that I just fell to the ground bawling and crying. I could not quit thinking, "He gave his life to save me."
I was sitting there when it hit me: "Lady! I'd better get to Lady." When I tuned her in, I knew she was within a 100 yards. I lined up with her collar, and the next thing I knew there she was in a heap, her eyes wide open, looking straight into my eyes. For one second I thought she might be alive. When I knelt down beside her, I knew she was dead.
It's very difficult to describe the type of death these dogs were handed. It was easy to see that the wolves want to cripple their prey, torture it and then kill it. I have never seen a worse way for any animal or person to die.
I made it back to town and took care of my dogs who made it through this nightmare that happened in the light of day. Then I headed to see if Halley needed to be buried.
When I walked into the veterinarian's office, I was greeted with, "Did you find the rest of your dogs?" I tried to say they were all dead, but I could not get the words out; all I could do was cry.
After a few minutes standing alone, I heard a voice behind me say, "Halley is still alive; do you want to see her?" I instantly headed for the back room, and when I turned the corner I saw this little black ball covered in stitches — swollen twice her normal size.
I stopped and said out loud, "Oh my God, Halley, what have they done to you?" When she heard me say her name, she lifted her head, whined and waged her tail. I kneeled down, held her and comforted her — the whole time wondering if she was the lucky one, or were Blackey and Lady the lucky ones? When I looked into her eyes it was easy to see the only reason she was still alive: the wolf had choked her out.
Her eyes were full of blood; they had left her for dead. The doctor said it was a miracle she was alive at all. Her lungs were badly damaged, but what most concerned us all was infection from all the tears and bites.
I knew this little dog had more heart and desire than a 1,200-pound grizzly bear, and yet was as gentle with my granddaughters as my chocolate lab. If it were just a fight with infection, she would win.
On the way home I called the Idaho Fish and Game to report what had happened. They were very understanding, and I could tell they were sincere when they said they were sorry for my loss. They also made it clear there was nothing they could do for me and that their hands were tied. They said they would write the report and call a federal agent.
Justin, the government trapper, contacted me by phone and arranged to meet me at first light. We were at the site of the attack early the next morning. We went to the site where I had laid Lady in the shade.
She was gone without a trace.
I took Justin to where Blackey was laying, and he had also disappeared. We searched around and found nothing. About that time a crow down below me called three times, so we walked toward the sound.
It did not take long before we were standing over the remains of the dog that saved me from harm. All that was left of him was his head and backbone. Had we been an hour later, there would have been nothing left of him.
We had spooked the wolves off while they were finishing their prey. In five hours all we found of Lady was a pile of fresh wolf scat full of white, brown and black dog hair. Lady was a tri-colored walker — that color.
Justin and I buried what was left of Blackey. We piled heavy stones on his grave, and I walked away thinking that it could have been me. I could have been just a pile of wolf scat lying on the ground and leaving people to wonder where I had disappeared to.
I couldn't help but think of the 22-year-old man who was killed and eaten by wolves in Canada this winter. There's been a slaughter on hound dogs and pets in Idaho, and it is getting worse daily. I have been assured that if these wolves kill any cows, sheep, goats, pigs or horses, they will become a problem and will be dealt with, and the owners will be compensated.
That's a relief.
Dogs have no value to anyone in the government, it seems.
So what I love to do is over; I will not send another dog to slaughter or feed another starving wolf pack. My concerns now are that the wolves are running out of easy prey and are now eating dogs.
In wet, muddy areas where elk and moose have always been plentiful, I no longer can find even a track.
Perhaps aliens took them off to a safer planet. I hope you did not find that funny.
This is the first documented case in Idaho where wolves have eaten a dog after killing it. The real reason I had to write this story is public safety.
The general public is unaware of the danger that awaits them. Since I retired, I have spent no less than four days a week in the mountains. What has amazed me are how many of these wolves are right around people's homes. When they are out of easy prey, be ready.
For as long as I can remember, when you were in the mountains for any reason, a dog by your side was a great defense to warn you of predators. I used to believe in this. But now a dog is nothing more than bait to lure wolves.
Recently, while cougar hunting, an associate of mine, who is a licensed guide like myself, had a wolf encounter. He was cougar hunting with a dog on a leash when three wolves charged up on him. With waving arms and a screaming voice, he was able to persuade them to leave, but what if they had been a little hungrier? Your natural instinct will be to defend your companion. I am not saying you should leave your friend at home, but be prepared.
Put a bell or a beeper on him or her so you know where they are at all times.
The most important thing, in my opinion, is to pack a firearm. I personally believe pepper spray will not work in a pack attack. Keep your dogs quiet when you are walking — no barking. If they are tied up in camp, no barking. And don't let your children play with your pets and have them barking while they're playing.
My personal belief is that the war has been lost. It's too late to save our big-game herds in my lifetime.
What I have loved to do for most of my life is over, so enjoy it while you still can. Be prepared. I pray you never encounter a pack of Canadian gray wolves.
 
That was a real tear-jerker. How sad and stupid we are to have
ever encouraged wolves of any kind. The do-gooders have all the
answers, or so they think. They put out the propaganda at will
that wolves have never attacked or killed a human being. That comment is on all their sponsored programs, on their websites and that is what they spew.

How many wolves are too many? How many attacks will there be?
I'd say, "God help us" but why should He? He helps those who help
themselves.

I hope I am never attacked by wolves. Makes me think about spending
time in the Big Horns with our grandson. I know they got a big male
wolf in that area 2 years ago.
 
I know what you mean, FH.

There is a pretty good reason that wolves and grizzly bears are/were almost extince........kinda like the dinosaurs........sure glad they aren't around any more! Don't want to tangle with no T. Rex, for sure! :shock:

:cboy:
 
Faster horses said:
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure if there were any dinosaurs walking
around they'd be trying to save them too. :twisted:

I did'nt know Oldtimer was needing saving?????dinosaur??????
 
Denny said:
Faster horses said:
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure if there were any dinosaurs walking
around they'd be trying to save them too. :twisted:

I did'nt know Oldtimer was needing saving?????dinosaur??????

Some of these rainy days my bones feel a little fossilized :wink: :lol: Looks like our rain is about over...Got .65 out of yesterday and today down here on the river...I'm waiting to hear what they got at the north place to see if we'll be working cows tomorrow or if the corrals are floating... They'd only had about .4 at 3PM so maybe, I don't have to call off the crew.....
I'm sending the rest of this moisture north to Shelly and Big Muddy.....
 
Oldtimer said:
Denny said:
Faster horses said:
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure if there were any dinosaurs walking
around they'd be trying to save them too. :twisted:

I did'nt know Oldtimer was needing saving?????dinosaur??????

Some of these rainy days my bones feel a little fossilized :wink: :lol: Looks like our rain is about over...Got .65 out of yesterday and today down here on the river...I'm waiting to hear what they got at the north place to see if we'll be working cows tomorrow or if the corrals are floating... They'd only had about .4 at 3PM so maybe, I don't have to call off the crew.....
I'm sending the rest of this moisture north to Shelly and Big Muddy.....

We've had 2" in the last week so things are good here for a while.This country gets quite a bit of rain but it's been near a month since we had any so things were burning up with 17 days in a row of hot temps.It was only about 50 above the last couple of days but thats fine with me I don't have any hay down.
 
These are the kinds of things you get when "bunny hugger" types have too much time on their hands. Sad.

Thanks for posting it Ranchy. It's sad to see, but we need to be reminded about what these wackos are up to.
 
shoot, shovel....shut up!! the motto around here,anyway!! :nod: :nod:
Thanks for the posting, Ranchy!!! I agree with Hanta Yo 100%!!! Turn 'em loose in LA or in New York or Washington DC and see what the city-dwelling bunny huggers think!!
 
In Calgary recently they had a family of coyotes move in under someone's deck in their back yard. Apparently the female had a badly broken leg, so was looking for a place to hole up. Immediately animal control removed them. Funny how its different if its an urbanite that has problems with predators.......
We have lots of wolf troubles up here, thanks to the wildlife biologists trying to re-establish the 'balance' by letting wolf and cougar numbers increase. When you're riding along with your dog and it suddenly insists on traveling right under your horse's neck, nearly getting stepped on, don't cuss the dog because the wolves are very close and are watching you!
 
Why can't we learn from our ancestors????? :???: :mad:

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This photo was taken and mailed to k_ranch's great grandfather in 1911 from his sister up by Scenic SD (Imlay-Conata Basin area). She had a store there. The wolf had killed the horse and they trapped it. How would you like to come across this friendly little guy alone and unarmed?

My grandmother (who grew up in the Vetal area) was of the same era. She remembered when it would blizzard and the snow was up around the house. The wolves would come and scratch at the door and the windows, trying to get in and get an easy meal. They could see them and knew it was wolves. You didn't dare go alone to feed/check the stock in the barn because they would, did, and do attack. period, truth, end of story.

True Nature: they eat what meal comes easiest, conserve energy for the next kill. wolves will eat what they have to work less to get. they like to stalk and hunt and just plain kill. HOW DARE THEY SAY THAT NOONE WAS EVER ATTACKED. People have remembered and shared their stories. Some of us hold those stories and honor them because they are from our elders. Who the heck would they have reported those things too? the postmaster in town? No they just told the stories down the line because that's all there was to tell, no federal depredation "expert" or wildlife expert to explain it away (oh he was just injured is a Black Hills favorite for problem mountain lions or he was a wondering juvenile Bullsheiiiist). Wolves don't belong here- nothing about reintroduction is "NATURAL". Period.

Life/climate/animals aren't like they were before civilization. It never will be, move on, accept natural selection, let some species die. IT WILL BE OKAY.
 
That was very chilling. Thanks for posting it.

You sure nailed a lot of things in your reply. Good job!!

Have you ever read the bood "Wolf Man"? I think that is where
a lot of displaced affection for the wolf came from.

They are nothing but cruel, cunning, KILLING MACHINES and
were feared all across the country.

Remember when Ted Turner pledged all that money to the UN?
I for one, wondered what he expected in return. Does it ever
make you wonder why we have all these wolves when he is in
favor of them? I don't know...just a thought.

Agri News used to print letters from kids in schools all across the
country that were sympathetic with the wolves. Linda G. tried her
darnedst to set them straight. It was something else to read what
those kids thought about wolves...what they had been TAUGHT about
wolves.
 
Some interesting reading on wolf/people interaction in this report from Alaska FWS.
www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/techpubs/research_pdfs

Also an interesting article in Range Magazine summer 2003 Ground Hog Day about wolf attacks on humans, etc.
 
In the Mar-Apr Audobon Magazine, which I thought would be only
about birds, there was a glowing article about the reintroduction of
the Mexican gray wolf into the Apache reservation in Arizona. Despite
reports of the wolf killing elk (they infer it only culls the weak ones),
and the dislike of Apache ranchers for the plan, and reports that wolves have been eating dogfood and snowmobile seats, and that the wolf count is inexact and could be larger than that suitable for the size of the reservation, despite all those things it implies most of the Apache are glad to have part of their heritage reintroduced. :roll: They have given the tribe the right to manage the population if it causes problems which I have to believe won't be long in coming. I'm going to email your article on the dog killings to Audobon and see what they say. Bet nothin'.
 
I read that title and thought you had some cows that figured out how to kill wolves on their own-the reality with wolves falls somewhere between the hysteria of some posts on here and the audobon position. Wolves are a big efficient predator for sure but there has only been one RECORDED fatality ever up here-a guy from the city who was wandering out and trying to feed them by hand-kind of like your own Timothy Treadwell and the grizzleys. Case in fact is reservation dogs have killed more people where we are than wolves ever have. We are surrounded by wolves here-but have huge populations of deer,elk and moose and alot of cows run up here too. What's the differance-between here and there is what I'm wondering-when a guy loses something to them around here it sure isn't front page news. As for wolves killing dogs-they do have a hate on for them-in fact a frozen dead dog stood upright in the snow is about the best wolf bait going. Make a skidoo trail around it in a circle and set your traps off the back. I don't think wolves should be protected but I sure don't think they need to be exterminated either. To be honest though there are alot of them around I've only seen them up close three times -though we see tracks regularily. As for wolves killing elk-I remember getting bathed in rancher tears in the Ten Sleep ,Wyoming bar because there were elk in the hay meadows seems to me a little population control wouldn't be all bad.
 
Northern Rancher, I don't think anyone wants them wiped off the face of the earth but reintroducing them it certain places just can't work. Your wolves are truly wild up there with huge country to roam in and plenty of wild game animals to eat and most probably still have some fear of humans. Alot of these "reintroduced" wolves are kept in pens and hand fed before releasing, probably why most lose their natural fear of humans. May explain bigger risk of modern day attacks. With a limited wild food supply they just won't kill selectively.

We have a friend who was involved in the "reintroduction" of the swift fox in the badlands. They capture prairie dogs and feed them to them because they don't catch enough on their own to survive. If they are used to food sources with human scent... and it coming from humans... you see what I am saying. (and I'm sure the reintroduction efforts of the wolves went similarly) Yet they believe this "reintroduction" is very successful, even though they have built most of their dens in the road ditch by the highway and are getting hit by vehicles. We pay all this money to put them in a place where they kill themselves off by choosing to be near roads and not eating enough to survive, (And is isn't like their aren't enough prairie dogs for them to catch on their own...) and pay someone to watch them and write down what they do all day and radio chip them... Those animals don't know how to live in that area and probably shouldn't be there because of that.

I'm no expert, but all we are trying to say is that our "experts" need a little more common sense.

Ranch Mom says that she is afraid that they would blame the trap for that wolf looking so chilling, and it may be less effective for a bunny hugger than for those of us on here.
 

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