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Chaulk this up as the cost of too many cougars

Liberty Belle

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Where is the $40,000 coming from to buy these goats and why do we need them?

Wouldn't it be cheaper and make more sense to shoot the excess mountain lions?

Colorado Mountain Goats Sent To South Dakota

(AP) PIERRE, S.D. The mountain goat population in the Black Hills has fallen to about 100 animals, and state officials plan to import goats to turn things around.

Tony Leif, a state Game, Fish and Parks Department program administrator, said up to 40 mountain goats will be captured and brought from Colorado early next month.

Leif said the mountain goat population in the Black Hills has declined since 2000.

"We're not really sure what has caused the decrease," he said.

A number of factors may be responsible, Leif added.

Changes in habitat, increased activity by humans and a surge in the mountain lion population may have contributed to the decline in mountain goats, he said.

Lack of genetic diversity could also be a factor, Leif said.

The original mountain goat herd was started from six goats imported from Alberta, Canada, he said.

"From the 1940s through 2000, we had a pretty strong population," Leif said.

The goal is to restore the Black Hills mountain goat population to a herd of about 400, he said.

The goat restoration project could cost as much as $40,000.

Safari Club International has agreed to pay for 20 radio collars at a cost of $325 each that will be put on the goats, Leif said. The collars will be used to keep track of the imported goats and provide a better estimate of the size of the entire herd, he said.

Goats that will be brought to South Dakota will be captured near Leadville, Colo., at a wilderness area that has a surplus population of the animals.

A Fairbanks, Alaska, firm has a contract to handle the capture.

Mountain Goats are sure-footed and keenly adapted to living on steep slopes. They have thick whitish coats that protect them from the cold at high altitudes. The goats typically weigh 150-200 pounds.

(© 2006 The Associated Press
October 12, 2006
http://cbs4denver.com/pets/local_story_285150459.html
 
LB since when did the government ever do what was cheaper or what made sense? :) Perhaps S.D. could export some mountain lions to Colorado on the back haul! :D
 
Cougars are rare here. Only a couple times a year do you here of someone spotting one. With the Elk herd just 5 miles North we may start seeing more. Lots of black bear but no problems. Once in a while they take a calf but its rare. Wolf is gonna be the big problem as they are growing in population fast. Coyotes come and go. One year you see lots of them and then you don't see them for a while. Two years ago I saw a cougar that had been hit by a car. Other than that I have never seen one here.
 
Greg was telling me this story today. A family that lives west of town,about 8 miles from our place,sent thier young kids out to a shelter at the end of the driveway to wait the bus,mom noticed a Cougar walking toward shelter,she ran out screaming,scared the cougar way.Thing is Cougars are NOT native at all to our area,theres been the odd one known to follow the Battle river,but thats quite a ways from these guys farm.
 
i hate to tell you this Mrs. Greg, but at the rate the cougar population is growing, they are going to become native to a lot of country they don't belong in. They are moving out further east all the time.
 
DJL said:
i hate to tell you this Mrs. Greg, but at the rate the cougar population is growing, they are going to become native to a lot of country they don't belong in. They are moving out further east all the time.
Maybe Yellowstone needs some.....we'll sell at a fair price :D


Seriously though...I'm not afraid of wolves or bears but Cougars scare the crap out of me,you don't trail them they trail you. DJL,you must see cougars out your way.
 
[/quote]Maybe Yellowstone needs some.....we'll sell at a fair price :D

We could handle them I have a good friend who likes to run them with his dogs...but in return for your Kitty cats you have to take all the tree huggers and bunny strokers from the Greater Yellowstone area as I'm pretty sure they are not native to this ecosystem. :wink: :P
 
Sure Mrs. Greg, we could sell them a bunch of cats, and maybe they'll trim on the bunny strokers and tree huggers for cowboyup. If it doesn't work, we'll know not to try it again, but meanwhile I think its worth a try. Say $250, 000 per cat, just like the wolves?
One old timer here says that when you start to see cougars, you have way too many, and we are seeing them quite a bit more than we used to. The cougar season is limited to five or so cats, and of course a female counts for two, so basically nothing is being done to control the population. Our brilliant wildlife biologist actually cut the number of tags as she wants the cougars to increase :shock: to take care of the deer problem. Unfortunately she didn't consult the F&W guys in the field to see what they thought. They had been trying to increase the number of tags.
 
DJL said:
Sure Mrs. Greg, we could sell them a bunch of cats, and maybe they'll trim on the bunny strokers and tree huggers for cowboyup. If it doesn't work, we'll know not to try it again, but meanwhile I think its worth a try. Say $250, 000 per cat, just like the wolves?
One old timer here says that when you start to see cougars, you have way too many, and we are seeing them quite a bit more than we used to. The cougar season is limited to five or so cats, and of course a female counts for two, so basically nothing is being done to control the population. Our brilliant wildlife biologist actually cut the number of tags as she wants the cougars to increase :shock: to take care of the deer problem. Unfortunately she didn't consult the F&W guys in the field to see what they thought. They had been trying to increase the number of tags.
Sooo I think when we sell them the cougars at this fine price,we'll throw in the brilliant wildlife biologist .
 
I think there are plenty of cats in the US thank you very much.. When they are wondering into Illinois and getting killed by trains, planes and automoblies (Okay, Just the Trains and auto's but still) we have plenty of our own... Heck, we even have the odd wolf wondering around... About the only think that hasn't been shot recently has been a free range Bison or bear.... Someoe even took a wild born Elk last year down south.
 
Mrs.Greg said:
DJL said:
Sure Mrs. Greg, we could sell them a bunch of cats, and maybe they'll trim on the bunny strokers and tree huggers for cowboyup. If it doesn't work, we'll know not to try it again, but meanwhile I think its worth a try. Say $250, 000 per cat, just like the wolves?
One old timer here says that when you start to see cougars, you have way too many, and we are seeing them quite a bit more than we used to. The cougar season is limited to five or so cats, and of course a female counts for two, so basically nothing is being done to control the population. Our brilliant wildlife biologist actually cut the number of tags as she wants the cougars to increase :shock: to take care of the deer problem. Unfortunately she didn't consult the F&W guys in the field to see what they thought. They had been trying to increase the number of tags.
Sooo I think when we sell them the cougars at this fine price,we'll throw in the brilliant wildlife biologist .


We will take the cats and the wildlife biologist but you get the Earth firsters, The Buffalo Nation and Ted Turner in return and just to make sure you don't get short changed we will throw in the Rainbow Family, The US Forest Service and Hillary Clinton :D :D
 
Cowboyup, I think we'll keep the cats, but you can have the biologist at no charge! Heck of a deal, I'd say. :lol:
We have more than enough of our own nuts without importing any!
 
I'd have to agree Mrs. Greg. The cougars might take care of our biologist some day, but the odds are they wouldn't touch Hillary!
 
DJL said:
I'd have to agree Mrs. Greg. The cougars might take care of our biologist some day, but the odds are they wouldn't touch Hillary!

As it looks neither will "Billary"
 
Sounds like a good plan. The $ for the animals will be coming from hunting licenses i am sure. I am sure no ones tax money would be coming for that. Yep, more lions need to be killed and this hunting season they will. THe wording of the story is that it is possible mt lions are a possible cause of the decline. who knows......we sure dont. Some of us think we know whats best, but we are not biologists. We could eradicate the animal like LB would like to see, then everyone will bench about all the deer in the hills.............I myself have been applying for 10 years now for a chance to hunt one of those mountain goats. Awsome critter. Its a once in a lifetime chance. Hopefully by the time i am 70, i will draw!!
 
Whith out depredation control they can devastate a ranch operation. We are using hounds daily to control the lions here.
 
IL Rancher said:
I think there are plenty of cats in the US thank you very much.. When they are wondering into Illinois and getting killed by trains, planes and automoblies (Okay, Just the Trains and auto's but still) we have plenty of our own... Heck, we even have the odd wolf wondering around... About the only think that hasn't been shot recently has been a free range Bison or bear.... Someoe even took a wild born Elk last year down south.

There have been several seen here in NW TN also although the local F&W officers deny there are any here. Besides tracks, does a cougar leave behind any evidence when it kills a calf-what are some signs to look for, if any??
 
TSR said:
IL Rancher said:
I think there are plenty of cats in the US thank you very much.. When they are wondering into Illinois and getting killed by trains, planes and automoblies (Okay, Just the Trains and auto's but still) we have plenty of our own... Heck, we even have the odd wolf wondering around... About the only think that hasn't been shot recently has been a free range Bison or bear.... Someoe even took a wild born Elk last year down south.

There have been several seen here in NW TN also although the local F&W officers deny there are any here. Besides tracks, does a cougar leave behind any evidence when it kills a calf-what are some signs to look for, if any??

Lot of times they try to drag off their kill or bury it- to save for another day...I saw one once trying to pull a young deer carcass into a fork in a tree.... Beside the footprints, if you are in wet or muddy ground they may leave a tail imprint where their tail drags or hits the ground...

Neighbor had one attack a calf in the feedlot a few years ago- apparently it jumped on the calfs back in its attack and somehow the calf got away- but it had the claw mark scars on its back forever...
 

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