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ropesanddogs

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Hello everyone,I need to get a contract put together for when someone sends me a colt,or to catch something,or work their stock for them.I need,ideas,guidelines,or something similar.I would go to local horse trainers/day workers for help with this,but besides maybe 2 or 3 guys i know,people down here are out to f^(k everyone else around.Sorry for the language,its just that lately i feel like ive been spinning my wheels,and getting nowhere...But thats another rant.Anyhow any help would be appreciated,basically i need something that says,i need this money by this time,i am not responsible for this and that, ect.Im just trying to keep myself from getting caught up in unnessesary drama.Thank yall kindly....
 
Seriously, good luck with that. There are so many loops, i's you thought you dotted, etc. that the contract could be come like a bill trying to pass Congress.

Try to keep it as simple as you can. As far as payment, charge a minimum fee to show up and so much for what they want done. Wrecks should be the responsibility of the owner, unless you cause them, which use a clause that clarifies that.

Good luck, don't know what else to tell you. I do work with leasing ground and other leasing issues. If you can give me better ideas of what to include, specifically, I could help you more.
 
Not sure if this will give you any idea's...but our trainer has a paper that lists the upfront costs...feed..boarding..riding...etc. It's his standard cost and fee's no exceptions to that part...but he also has a list of possible fees...for instance if he feels he needs more riding time with the horse before he sends it home..which includes the extra feeding costs..We always know what it will cost us...and I think it's a good idea..works for me.
 
All the guys around here have money or a check in their hands paid for their days work the day it's done. If we have more calves than will fit in our trailer goin to the salebarn, they get paid for haulin plus fuel costs there n back as well. And we always feed em after we work, sometimes breakfast before we start.
 
ropesndogs, I think you will have alot better luck with contracts for horse training than cow work. When we take a cow job, we tell the owner what we will charge to catch or pen or whatever up front. we get paid right there that day, if they dont want to pay, I can let there bull back out of my trailer or open the gate to the pens.We have had some questionable jobs when a guy will say," i have six yearlins missing, and i think they are in the brush on so and so's place, can you go in there and look?We will quote a minimum just to haul over there and look around and then a price per head on what we catch. Cow work has too many varibles to put them in a contract, cover your a-- and have a minimum to cover your expenses. Remember if they coul;d catch it or work it, they wouldnt be callin you. In your colt ridin contract, make sure you put in there, that the owner is responsible for continued training. I dont know how many times, i have taken a colt for 30 days, got him started good, demo him for owner, and owner takes him home, turnes him out for 30 days, climbs on him cold and gets dumped. then they call you and bench, and say you broke my horse and he bucked me off. Explain the difference between started and BROKE. I have never had a problem with a cowman paying, but have had Horse peaple try to screw me over.
 
Thanks for the help.I understand it is a complete can of worms,but i feel i should cover myself somehow.Just like Tworopes i have dumped cattle out of a trailer,because someone thought that i caught them too quickly :roll: or it was just to easy.So i popped the gate,and said fine,you go buy a horse and some dogs,feed em,train em,and let me know how you get along...

The only reason i was afer a contract for cow work,is bacause i often time supply medicine,ie pour on,and if i go out and work this mans cattle,and turn em out and he decides not to pay me for the pour on ive just used,well there i am out $200.....

As far as the colt riding,my main thing is i want them to be bound by contract to pay me.Also what about ag insurance to cover death or serious injury to a colt.They could very easily harm/kill themselves,or each other while im not around.Would the insurance be worth having?...

These are just a few things i need some help on clearing up...Thank yall dearly for your time and help...

-Colt Lacina
 
As for insurance, I know a lady that deals in insurance for horses. It might be worth your while to have a chat with her about that. She's a real nice person, who we are plannin on using to insure our horses. If you give her a call I'm sure she'd be glad to answer your questions about insuring colts your riding for someone else? Or a policy to cover that sort of thing.
If your interested let me know, I have a flyer of hers right here and can give you her name and number.

I can see your point wantin a contract for someone that doesn't feel they owe you for the job you've done and any medications you've given. Wish I could help you more there, but cattle owners around here furnish the meds too. all the supplies to give the shots. Then when the workers come in, they get paid for what they do while there, whether that is just roundin the cattle up and pennin em, or actually workin along side the chute givin shots, cuttin calves or whatnot. It's all agree'd upon before any work starts.
What are we gonna do the day I show up, is one of the first things they'll ask when you call em to have them scheduled to work. The next question is from the cattle owner, "how much are you gonna charge" that way it's all settled before hand. We always say, the easier things go the the quicker it gets done. We have had our regular guys for over 10 years now that help us. And they still ask the same questions when we call. Over the years they've brought unexpected help out with them, and when they do that, they know that we were only expectin the two guys.......so it's their responsibility to pay the extra help outta whatever their days' pay is. If they let us know before hand that they have a newbie that they wanna bring along, We'll discuss it, but the price usually stays the same. We only need two guys to help. If there are three, then they don't make as much a peice, but our expense is the same.

Here's the contact info on the horse insurance
Knight Insurance Agency
350 Hwy 290 Suite #3
Hempstead, Texas 77445
1-800-660-3026
[email protected]
 
We insure a couple of horses with Wilkens Livestock Insurance
and have used them for years. They are very well established.
But you can only insure a horse for what it is worth. You can't
over insure them, so I don't know how the price would be established
on a young horse that was raised. If you bought him that would be
a different story, and then they have ways of adding to the value
as the horse is trained more.

Wilkens Livestock Insurers, Inc.
Geneva, Nebraska
1-800-826-9441
 
Go talk to your Farm Bureau, the farm insurance we have covers liabilities of anyone or even livestock, that comes onto the place that gets hurt. There are several add ons you can put on as necessary, when we were training I had the liability insurance with a write on for boarding. As far as the horses being insured, you would have to put that in your contract requiring the owners to have it on the horses before you took them. It gets to be a touchy thing when you get into boarding and training horses. People today have just become to suit happy.

Hope that this helps,
Easty
 
ropesanddogs said:
Thank yall VERY much,im going to make some phone calls and get everything worked out as best as i can.Thanks again.
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Make an itemized list of what all you provide, ie..

Horse $4000.00
Saddle $2000.00
Rope $ 40.00
Pickup $30,000.00
Trailer $3000.00

like this. These are just an idea, your cost would probably vary.

Then list what you and your abilities are worth minimum and maximum.

Then you have something to show what you've got invested in the job.

And what about if you get crippled and can't work. Do they cover that?

My liability insurance would cover, up to so much, if someone who was working for me got hurt.

I don't know what to tell you about taking in outside colts. I sure have worried about it as a person who takes them in and also as someone who sends them out.

References are good for both parties.

The guy who starts my colts is a neighbor and I've watched him grow up. He was just here and did a small clinic on ground work. He's really good and I wouldn't send a horse to anyone else, even if it was Ray Hunt or Tom Dorrance. And I have a lot of respect for them. This young man has really got it figured out and does a great job. I trust him as much or more than anyone. If one of my horses should get hurt while at his place, I'm sure he did his best to see that it didn't happen.

If someone called me for references about him, I would give him the highest I could.

Hope this might have given you some help.

My point is, I think you need to make your employer understand how capable you are and what all you have invested, as far as equipment and time and training.

A rancher around here was bitching to a day worker, about how good he had it and said he thought that he should sell out and start day working, as it looked pretty lucrative. They dayworker told him, "Yup. You should do that. But remember, when someone calls, you got to go. No matter what else you got going on at home. And you go buy or train some horses that can do it all. And a pickup and trailer that isn't always broke down. Yup, sure is a great way to make money!"

That shut him up and he was glad for the cheap help, after that. :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

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