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Rod & Bill--Don't worry - It won't be long and King George will have your country taken over anyway...Be flying the NAU flag and using the Amero for currency....All the real laws will be being made by the John Tysons and George Soros's of the world...King George (after declaring himself Presidente for life, since he feels no one qualified to succeed him in this new huge venture) will just run the wars and conquests those elitist folks need to keep expanding their bankroll :roll: :wink: Probably the first action of North American Union Assembly President Soros and Agriculture Commissioner Tyson will be to do away with any M-COOL....So it will be a moot point....
And in exchange for all this cheap Mexican labor and the privilege of being Americas little adopted brother- all you have to give up is your sovereignty and most laws as they exist now, natural resources (including your timber, wildlife hunting, minerals, water, oil, and the other 40% of natural gas that NAFTA doesn't already take), all that worthless podunk Canuck heritage, and maybe your first born if Mr. Tyson can't get enough Mexicans to move into the cold weather and run his sweatshops..... :wink:
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Monday, July 23, 2007
Canadians in the Dark About SPP Union with the USA and Mexico
By Kevin Parkinson
· The purpose of the Canada-USA-Mexico meeting in August, at Montebello, Quebec, is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America
In less than a month's time, on August 20, the most powerful president in the world will be arriving in Montebello, Quebec, for a two-day conference. President George W. Bush will be meeting with Stephen Harper and their Mexican counterpart, Felipe Calderon. So far, the silence from the Canadian and American media has been deafening.
Talk to 90 percent of people on the street and they won't know about this upcoming conference, and if by a slim chance they do, they won't know the purpose of the meeting or why the leaders of Canada, the United States and Mexico are meeting in the dog days of summer under what amounts to a veil of secrecy.
So, what's this upcoming conference all about, and why are the newspapers, radio and television keeping silent about it?
The purpose of the upcoming conference is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America, which was initiated by Bush, Martin and ex-President Vicente Fox in 2005 in Waco, Texas. Essentially, this so-called 'partnership' will result in what the politicians refer to as 'continental integration' — newspeak for a North American Union — and basically a harmonization of 100's of regulations, policies and laws.
In layman's terms it means that once this 'partnership' has been ratified, which is a fait accompli, we will be following in the footsteps of the European Union. It will mean that Canada will become part of the North American Union by 2010, and that our resources, agricultural, health and environment issues, to name a few, will be controlled not by Canada but by the government of the North American Union.
A huge 'NAFTA' highway, one quarter of a mile wide, is already being built in Texas, where private land is being expropriated, and will eventually reach the Manitoba border.
Water will be the 'issue' of this century, as more than 25 states in the United States are currently in desperate need. Where do you think they will get the water they need?
The United States is already guaranteed 60 percent of our natural gas resources from NAFTA, which means that even during emergencies, when we need energy, we will have to import it, while we are forced to export gas to the U.S. This is just one example of how Canada is being shortchanged, and it's only going to get worse.
Why has there been absolutely NO public consultation on the biggest issue (North American Union) facing Canadians since Confederation? Why isn't Guy Lauzon, our local MP for Stormont, Dundas and South Glengarry, holding town hall meetings, bringing in cabinet ministers and explaining how the emerging North American Union will affect our Canadian way of life? Ask the citizens of Canada for their feedback. Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work?
Folks, I suggest that Mr. Lauzon isn't even aware of the SPP or the North American Union, which explains why the Conservative government has denied all Canadians information to which they are entitled. If he does have something to say about it, then let him raise the issue in our riding.
Furthermore, the example of the North American Union illustrates that our government claims to be democratic — but in fact does it act like one, or does it prefer to make the big decisions at committee level behind closed doors, while masking its real intentions?
The ratification of the SPP, and the emergence of the North American Union, have been organized entirely by government committees and private enterprise. I refer readers to my website at www.realitycheck.typepad.com for further information on the North American Union.
If our citizenry allows the North American Union to come into existence, then our way of life will change drastically, for the years to come. With privatization of our resources, increased foreign ownership, and a Canadian government with less and less authority, our children and grandchildren will become 'North Americans' and our quality of life will drastically decline.
The founding fathers of Canada must be rolling over in their graves.
And in exchange for all this cheap Mexican labor and the privilege of being Americas little adopted brother- all you have to give up is your sovereignty and most laws as they exist now, natural resources (including your timber, wildlife hunting, minerals, water, oil, and the other 40% of natural gas that NAFTA doesn't already take), all that worthless podunk Canuck heritage, and maybe your first born if Mr. Tyson can't get enough Mexicans to move into the cold weather and run his sweatshops..... :wink:
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Monday, July 23, 2007
Canadians in the Dark About SPP Union with the USA and Mexico
By Kevin Parkinson
· The purpose of the Canada-USA-Mexico meeting in August, at Montebello, Quebec, is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America
In less than a month's time, on August 20, the most powerful president in the world will be arriving in Montebello, Quebec, for a two-day conference. President George W. Bush will be meeting with Stephen Harper and their Mexican counterpart, Felipe Calderon. So far, the silence from the Canadian and American media has been deafening.
Talk to 90 percent of people on the street and they won't know about this upcoming conference, and if by a slim chance they do, they won't know the purpose of the meeting or why the leaders of Canada, the United States and Mexico are meeting in the dog days of summer under what amounts to a veil of secrecy.
So, what's this upcoming conference all about, and why are the newspapers, radio and television keeping silent about it?
The purpose of the upcoming conference is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America, which was initiated by Bush, Martin and ex-President Vicente Fox in 2005 in Waco, Texas. Essentially, this so-called 'partnership' will result in what the politicians refer to as 'continental integration' — newspeak for a North American Union — and basically a harmonization of 100's of regulations, policies and laws.
In layman's terms it means that once this 'partnership' has been ratified, which is a fait accompli, we will be following in the footsteps of the European Union. It will mean that Canada will become part of the North American Union by 2010, and that our resources, agricultural, health and environment issues, to name a few, will be controlled not by Canada but by the government of the North American Union.
A huge 'NAFTA' highway, one quarter of a mile wide, is already being built in Texas, where private land is being expropriated, and will eventually reach the Manitoba border.
Water will be the 'issue' of this century, as more than 25 states in the United States are currently in desperate need. Where do you think they will get the water they need?
The United States is already guaranteed 60 percent of our natural gas resources from NAFTA, which means that even during emergencies, when we need energy, we will have to import it, while we are forced to export gas to the U.S. This is just one example of how Canada is being shortchanged, and it's only going to get worse.
Why has there been absolutely NO public consultation on the biggest issue (North American Union) facing Canadians since Confederation? Why isn't Guy Lauzon, our local MP for Stormont, Dundas and South Glengarry, holding town hall meetings, bringing in cabinet ministers and explaining how the emerging North American Union will affect our Canadian way of life? Ask the citizens of Canada for their feedback. Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work?
Folks, I suggest that Mr. Lauzon isn't even aware of the SPP or the North American Union, which explains why the Conservative government has denied all Canadians information to which they are entitled. If he does have something to say about it, then let him raise the issue in our riding.
Furthermore, the example of the North American Union illustrates that our government claims to be democratic — but in fact does it act like one, or does it prefer to make the big decisions at committee level behind closed doors, while masking its real intentions?
The ratification of the SPP, and the emergence of the North American Union, have been organized entirely by government committees and private enterprise. I refer readers to my website at www.realitycheck.typepad.com for further information on the North American Union.
If our citizenry allows the North American Union to come into existence, then our way of life will change drastically, for the years to come. With privatization of our resources, increased foreign ownership, and a Canadian government with less and less authority, our children and grandchildren will become 'North Americans' and our quality of life will drastically decline.
The founding fathers of Canada must be rolling over in their graves.
Sandhusker said:
:roll: :lol: :lol: While you have been sittng in the sun playing EXPERT at the Bank of Sadhusker behinind your keyboard some of us have actually been out and about with our PASSPORTS observing what is fact and what is fiction in the rest of the world..
Some of us have visited "liberalized trade ageeemnets" firsthand while you sit there and critique them on Bankers time. Don't try and tell those involved in actual discussions what your misinformed interpretion of the news is!! :roll: You talk about clown, I guess that would be R-Klowns and their little "BIG SKY" Montana world you have fallen for. Here is a hint for ya............. there is a whole lot of sky that you can't even see!
Keep chipin' Sadhusker! You are entertaining if nothing else.
:lol: :roll:
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RobertMac said:
We don't want that gulf any wider, do we? RM, you sell a specialized niche product, so maybe you don't realize the intense competition that commodity beef is under. Have a look at some of the supply/demand graphs that have been done in recent years. Even a few pennies a lb more differential means less beef consumed.
Rod
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Sandhusker said:
You keep forgetting about all the smaller packers that don't have slaughter facilities. How do you plan on tracking the sides and quarters moving to specialty beef shops and small packing plants? Thats where the added cost comes into, more so than the large packers with slaughter facilities.
I get the feeling that COOL is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to a perceived problem within the US. Its poorly thought out, with no attempt made to keep everything on an even basis. While I fully support the idea of labelling country of origin, lets have something good, not the garbage that I see right now.
Rod
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What about the small ones? There's no reason why they wouldn't know what they bought from the slaughter house. If they know what they're buying, they know what they're selling. What's the problem?
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Sandhusker said:
So now you need separate coolers or separate sections for Canadian, SA and Mexican beef? The end packager will be the one responsible for labelling. How will the slaughter facility know what they're selling unless the carcass is divided or marked?
BTW, your other example of other meats that are kept segregated is a little invalid. All segregated proteins such as hormone free, etc command a premium that can pay for the additional cooler space and extra work of isolating the meat. How are the packers going to reclaim the added costs from segregation of commodity meat? The answer is that they're not, especially since the gulf between chicken and pork will be widened, so the added cost will be placed on the producer.
I think you guys better go back to the drawing board before you jump for joy about a program that is certainly going to cost alot of money and only stands a slim chance of success.
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I believe the Product of USA will command a premium price too-- over all the others anyway.......Definitely will in much of the country....
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Oldtimer said:
So Product of USA will command a premium over 3% or 4% of all the other countries beef? :roll: I'll tell you what will happen:
1) Other countries beef will be discounted. Product of USA will not move up one red cent, but you'll have higher costs due to COOL.
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2) Other countries beef will suddenly become a niche, commanding higher prices. Product of USA will not move up one red cent, but you'll have higher costs due to COOL.
Good golly you guys, think about this. You own 96% of your market already. That means your product is already the price setter. Sticking a "Made In The US" sticker on it won't raise the average price one iota. You HAVE to make it more attractive versus the other proteins.
Especially since most of what you import already goes to grind or to restaurants where the Made In The US sticker won't make it on the menus.
Do yourselves a favor. Don't spend your polical bucks on COOL. Spend it keeping the ultra cheap proteins from SA, Mexico, China, et al out of your country. You'll be way further ahead.
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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Easy - you buy the same countries product. You want to keep all those mixed carcasses in the same cooler? No problem. Get a roller stamp like the graders have with different colored ink for the three countries - or make it simple and have only two colors - red for Canada and green for Mexico and mark the carcasses. You can mix them up all you want in the same cooler and a child could seperate them. You could also use different colored hooks, colored ribbons, etc......
You then use a little scheduling when you process the carcasses. Say Mon - Wed is US, Thursday Mexican, Friday Canadian. Why does this have to be hard?
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I think even the Big City is changing with the imported tainted food scares...That along with the FDA/USDA admitting that they test little or no imported food and can't guarantee its safety- making food buying now a "Buyer Beware" situation....This has been shown with the rise in sales of organic, natural, and direct off farm beef products....Now they can add on Made in the USA...The media has stepped up lately and helped make public this fraud the Packers/Government have been perpetrating on consumers....
Even if not-- even if its only those 80-90% in Smalltown USA-- thats what M-COOL was for....To give folks an honest, informed, choice...
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Oldtimer wrote--- "thats what M-COOL was for....To give folks an honest, informed, choice..."
Oldtimer, M-COOL was never about giving the consumer a honest informed choice! It was formed to keep Canadian cattle out of the USA, and you know that.
Best Regards
Ben Roberts
Oldtimer, M-COOL was never about giving the consumer a honest informed choice! It was formed to keep Canadian cattle out of the USA, and you know that.
Best Regards
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Ben Roberts said:
Not my M-COOL Ben-- and I was a proponent before R-CALF...They just adopted my strong belief in the fact that the consumer should be told the truth and given a choice-- and that the US Government should not be allowed to assist the Packers/Importers/Retailers in perpetrating what would be a Fraud under most state laws.....
If M-COOL assists the US producer to market beef (and I believe it will)-- great....Thats what the USDA is supposed to be doing is promoting US Agriculture and helping US Agriculture/ US producer be viable entitys.....
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Sandhusker wrote--"Easy - you buy the same countries product. You want to keep all those mixed carcasses in the same cooler? No problem. Get a roller stamp like the graders have with different colored ink for the three countries - or make it simple and have only two colors - red for Canada and green for Mexico and mark the carcasses. You can mix them up all you want in the same cooler and a child could seperate them. You could also use different colored hooks, colored ribbons, etc......
You then use a little scheduling when you process the carcasses. Say Mon - Wed is US, Thursday Mexican, Friday Canadian. Why does this have to be hard?"
Sandhusker, you work in the financial world everyday, and do you believe that all of what you say here, can be done, without added cost! That the producers will pay for.
You know that I'm not anti or pro M-COOL, I just don't see the significance in it! It has already cost the producers more money than we could ever hope to recover from it. M-COOL was passed into law in the 2002 Farm Bill, we now have a watered down version passed by the House in 2007, it will be watered down even more if it even makes it through the Senate, then it has to make it passed the President, he has already said that he would veto the Farm Bill, as it was passed by the House.
M-COOL, is starting to look more like a steer trying to breed a cow, how many calving seasons are you going to go through, before you figure out, that dosen't work.
Best Regards
Ben Roberts
You then use a little scheduling when you process the carcasses. Say Mon - Wed is US, Thursday Mexican, Friday Canadian. Why does this have to be hard?"
Sandhusker, you work in the financial world everyday, and do you believe that all of what you say here, can be done, without added cost! That the producers will pay for.
You know that I'm not anti or pro M-COOL, I just don't see the significance in it! It has already cost the producers more money than we could ever hope to recover from it. M-COOL was passed into law in the 2002 Farm Bill, we now have a watered down version passed by the House in 2007, it will be watered down even more if it even makes it through the Senate, then it has to make it passed the President, he has already said that he would veto the Farm Bill, as it was passed by the House.
M-COOL, is starting to look more like a steer trying to breed a cow, how many calving seasons are you going to go through, before you figure out, that dosen't work.
Best Regards
Ben Roberts
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Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer, I know you have strong beliefs and I respect you for that. But it wasen't your M-COOL that was passed in the 2002 Farm Bill, it was R-CALF's!
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Ben Roberts said:
Yep- but you have to start somewhere...I believe this is just the start of an evolving situation--with it moving to M-COOL on all products sold both retail and in the restaurants pretty quickly....We're only about one big tainted restaurant food outbreak away, because I have a feeling that the media is not going to drop this subject now that they have become aware of it--and have found out how badly the Administration (USDA/FDA) has been sold out to the Packers/Importers and the foreign producers.... Right now the move against foreign immigrants, foreign imports, globalism, etal is the biggest growing populist movement in the nation....The Backlash is coming-- and as I've said before--this country has a history of not being proactive-- they always react and usually when they react they overreact....
And at least this law gives the restaurants that want to source and promote USA Beef a chance to do it....
And within 10-15 years I think the consumer will demand a pasture to plate ID (which even the packers don't want now because of the huge cost they would have converting to it).....But maybe by then they may have the technololgy to make it more feasible...
As far as locally, for me, this is a M-COOL that covers everything- because most the local restaurants/burger joints will have to source, promote, and use Product of the USA Beef or many won't be in business- especially the steak houses and quality places....Many have already been trying to do that for years--but running into too much problems maintaining a continuous supply of product...
Ben Roberts said:
Your statement would be supported by R-Klans at least one article in which R-Klan spokesman had to once again mention that it now would identify beef coming from Canada, a BSE country. Funny how there was no mention about China and all the dangers there.
This is and has been all about Canada for many COOL supporters despite their now thinly veiled comments.
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Bill said:
Many COOL supporters? I think about ALL COOL supporters. Canada was always the target for COOL, as the other countries imports don't amount to a hill of beans. Our politicians have always been good at playing producers against one another for the good of the corporations, and radical organizations like R-Calf and the NFU are easy pawns in the game.
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What Canada became is a very good situational example, first because of the amount of product coming in--but especially after the discovery of BSE in Canada and the eventual widespread proportionallity of the disease--that the proponents of M-COOL used to full advantage to make the US consumer aware of the fraud and deception being perpetrated on them with the USDA's meat labeling laws...Same as they did with the Chinese purposely adultered pet products....
And it appears to have worked... Have you been watching Lou Dobbs for the last couple of weeks? I think his coverage and the whole networks coverage has done more for showing the fraudulent labeling laws, lack of inspection/government oversight of foreign products, dangers associated with many of the imports--and done more to promote US products than anything else....Even more than the MSNBC expose of a few years ago and their gross undercover videos of the Mexican slaughterhouses- and their reports on how USDA fails to act on them even after being exposed by the GAO and Inspector Generals Office.....
And it appears to have worked... Have you been watching Lou Dobbs for the last couple of weeks? I think his coverage and the whole networks coverage has done more for showing the fraudulent labeling laws, lack of inspection/government oversight of foreign products, dangers associated with many of the imports--and done more to promote US products than anything else....Even more than the MSNBC expose of a few years ago and their gross undercover videos of the Mexican slaughterhouses- and their reports on how USDA fails to act on them even after being exposed by the GAO and Inspector Generals Office.....