Corn crop, prices etc

[3 M L & C]

I don't want to see $4.00 corn nor do I want to see $8.00 corn. My gripe is like everyone else. There are 5 new pivots, just in this area, this year. Most of them are on ground that should never have been broke out. What I see coming is just like back in the early 80s, when we had such an over abundance of grain. The market collapsed, because everyone thought they had to farm fence row to fence row. The government came in with the CRP and bailed them all out. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. The American farmer has not learned how to self regulate themselves!!
That is the main reason I do not have my own place. To really make it work, no matter if its a ranch or farm, you have to be willing to sell your soul to the government, and I WON'T do it.

Did you know there is a government program through the NRCS that helps pay for those pivots? I know that for a fact, because some friends put another pivot on their place and the government helped a great deal.

I understand what you are getting at, but not everyone sells their soul to the government...that's painting with a very broad brush.

That must have been some special occasion. There are a great deal of pivots here and I have never heard of anyone getting help from nrcs for one. Lots of help from nrcs putting water hydrants all over in big pastures though. Agree about the broad brush though.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't want to see $4.00 corn nor do I want to see $8.00 corn. My gripe is like everyone else. There are 5 new pivots, just in this area, this year. Most of them are on ground that should never have been broke out. What I see coming is just like back in the early 80s, when we had such an over abundance of grain. The market collapsed, because everyone thought they had to farm fence row to fence row. The government came in with the CRP and bailed them all out. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. The American farmer has not learned how to self regulate themselves!!
That is the main reason I do not have my own place. To really make it work, no matter if its a ranch or farm, you have to be willing to sell your soul to the government, and I WON'T do it.

Did you know there is a government program through the NRCS that helps pay for those pivots? I know that for a fact, because some friends put another pivot on their place and the government helped a great deal.

I understand what you are getting at, but not everyone sells their soul to the government...that's painting with a very broad brush.

That must have been some special occasion. There are a great deal of pivots here and I have never heard of anyone getting help from nrcs for one. Lots of help from nrcs putting water hydrants all over in big pastures though. Agree about the broad brush though.

Not sure if the program is still available- but I know it was there a few years ago... Its considered a "conservation" program because its meant to keep folks away from flood irrigating- and to save water and soil from eroding...

 

[3 M L & C]

Did you know there is a government program through the NRCS that helps pay for those pivots? I know that for a fact, because some friends put another pivot on their place and the government helped a great deal.

I understand what you are getting at, but not everyone sells their soul to the government...that's painting with a very broad brush.

That must have been some special occasion. There are a great deal of pivots here and I have never heard of anyone getting help from nrcs for one. Lots of help from nrcs putting water hydrants all over in big pastures though. Agree about the broad brush though.

Not sure if the program is still available- but I know it was there a few years ago... Its considered a "conservation" program because its meant to keep folks away from flood irrigating- and to save water and soil from eroding...

Well we quit flooding and had all pivots by 1991. As well as pretty much every one around and we paid for all our pivots. Sounds like a deal to help farmers that are 20 years behind. Also another way that all farmers get categorized because of a few others.

 

[Faster horses]

That must have been some special occasion. There are a great deal of pivots here and I have never heard of anyone getting help from nrcs for one. Lots of help from nrcs putting water hydrants all over in big pastures though. Agree about the broad brush though.

Not sure if the program is still available- but I know it was there a few years ago... Its considered a "conservation" program because its meant to keep folks away from flood irrigating- and to save water and soil from eroding...

Well we quit flooding and had all pivots by 1991. As well as pretty much every one around and we paid for all our pivots. Sounds like a deal to help farmers that are 20 years behind. Also another way that all farmers get categorized because of a few others.

These people aren't 20 years behind. They haven't even been farming for 20 years. Actually, they sold a business and bought a farm that they lease out. I think from the way I got it, that the gov't helped with all the pivots they put in. They just put another one in this spring, with gov't help.

 

[3 M L & C]

My only point was that saying you know for a fact that nrcs pays for every pivot that goes up is incorrect. And so people that don't know don't go down the highway and think that every pivot was bought by nrcs.

 

[Faster horses]

My only point was that saying you know for a fact that nrcs pays for every pivot that goes up is incorrect. And so people that don't know don't go down the highway and think that every pivot was bought by nrcs.

I said I knew for a fact THAT PARTICULAR pivot was assisted by the gov't along with the other pivots they put in. Of course not all are paid for by the government. Sorry if I mislead anyone. Til I was told about this particular one, by the owner, I never knew any pivots had government assistance. For one thing, we don't live where there are ANY pivots except one we drive by in North Dakota.

 

[3 M L & C]

I don't want to see $4.00 corn nor do I want to see $8.00 corn. My gripe is like everyone else. There are 5 new pivots, just in this area, this year. Most of them are on ground that should never have been broke out. What I see coming is just like back in the early 80s, when we had such an over abundance of grain. The market collapsed, because everyone thought they had to farm fence row to fence row. The government came in with the CRP and bailed them all out. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. The American farmer has not learned how to self regulate themselves!!
That is the main reason I do not have my own place. To really make it work, no matter if its a ranch or farm, you have to be willing to sell your soul to the government, and I WON'T do it.

Did you know there is a government program through the NRCS that helps pay for those pivots? I know that for a fact, because some friends put another pivot on their place and the government helped a great deal.

"Those pivots". Seems to indicate the 5 lazy wp is talking about.

 

[4Diamond]

and some don't take care of their musk thistle. You shouldn't dislike every farmer because of the other morons out there.

There are far worse things to worry about than a thistle. Have you heard of spotted knapweed?

No I have not. I have seen musk thistles so thick that cows wouldn't walk through. Then you get as many seeds on your ground as the neighbor who grew them.

Thistles came this year after the drought, but as a rule they come and go like clover. I had 50 pair on 5 acre and they stripped and ate the thistles.

Spotted knapweed sprays a toxin and kills everything around it. Grows rampant in the road ditches here and is taking over. I would take 100 ac of thistles over 10 of knapweed.

 

[littlejoe]

There are far worse things to worry about than a thistle. Have you heard of spotted knapweed?

No I have not. I have seen musk thistles so thick that cows wouldn't walk through. Then you get as many seeds on your ground as the neighbor who grew them.

Thistles came this year after the drought, but as a rule they come and go like clover. I had 50 pair on 5 acre and they stripped and ate the thistles.

Spotted knapweed sprays a toxin and kills everything around it. Grows rampant in the road ditches here and is taking over. I would take 100 ac of thistles over 10 of knapweed.

Stuff is nasty enuf that you want to wear gloves pulling it---esp if got open wounds. But leafy spurge seems to be harder to kill.

 

[Faster horses]

No I have not. I have seen musk thistles so thick that cows wouldn't walk through. Then you get as many seeds on your ground as the neighbor who grew them.

Thistles came this year after the drought, but as a rule they come and go like clover. I had 50 pair on 5 acre and they stripped and ate the thistles.

Spotted knapweed sprays a toxin and kills everything around it. Grows rampant in the road ditches here and is taking over. I would take 100 ac of thistles over 10 of knapweed.

Stuff is nasty enuf that you want to wear gloves pulling it---esp if got open wounds. But leafy spurge seems to be harder to kill.

Guess I never realize spotted knapweed 'sprays a toxin'. We lived where there was plenty of it (SW Mt) and we knew it put out a poison that killed other plants. I thought the poison went through the ground to the roots of the other plants. Anyhow, it is much easier to control/kill than Knapweed. We had good luck with bugs controlling it too. I've always maintained that the way to get rid of Leafy Spurge was to plant Knapweed, let it kill the spurge and then go in and kill the Knapweed. :shock: My plan was never taken seriously though. :wink:

One pasture we leased had so many bull thistles on the creek bottom that you could hardly ride a horse through them. We got some bugs and went horseback and threw the bugs (they came in a paper sack on some big leaves) out among the bull thistle. The next year the bull thistle was gone. Those bugs really worked. They invade the seed on the thistle head and eat it so there is no seed. It's amazing how well it worked.

 

[jigs]

I think a $30,000 combine will do everything a $400,000 dollar combine will do, except have a high payment.....

NRCS has put in 60% of the pivots in our area. it is a good program. we still do a LOT of flood irrigating, as long as I have boys to lay the pipe, it goes pretty easy..... although we are looking at a couple pivots next year. one for alfalfa, the other for an irrigated pasture.

 

[4Diamond]

Thistles came this year after the drought, but as a rule they come and go like clover. I had 50 pair on 5 acre and they stripped and ate the thistles.

Spotted knapweed sprays a toxin and kills everything around it. Grows rampant in the road ditches here and is taking over. I would take 100 ac of thistles over 10 of knapweed.

Stuff is nasty enuf that you want to wear gloves pulling it---esp if got open wounds. But leafy spurge seems to be harder to kill.

Guess I never realize spotted knapweed 'sprays a toxin'. We lived where there was plenty of it (SW Mt) and we knew it put out a poison that killed other plants. I thought the poison went through the ground to the roots of the other plants. Anyhow, it is much easier to control/kill than Knapweed. We had good luck with bugs controlling it too. I've always maintained that the way to get rid of Leafy Spurge was to plant Knapweed, let it kill the spurge and then go in and kill the Knapweed. :shock: My plan was never taken seriously though. :wink:

One pasture we leased had so many bull thistles on the creek bottom that you could hardly ride a horse through them. We got some bugs and went horseback and threw the bugs (they came in a paper sack on some big leaves) out among the bull thistle. The next year the bull thistle was gone. Those bugs really worked. They invade the seed on the thistle head and eat it so there is no seed. It's amazing how well it worked.

I was told by NRCS that it sprayed a toxin, maybe it does go through the roots but it is sure nasty crap.

 

[Faster horses]

I don't want to see $4.00 corn nor do I want to see $8.00 corn. My gripe is like everyone else. There are 5 new pivots, just in this area, this year. Most of them are on ground that should never have been broke out. What I see coming is just like back in the early 80s, when we had such an over abundance of grain. The market collapsed, because everyone thought they had to farm fence row to fence row. The government came in with the CRP and bailed them all out. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. The American farmer has not learned how to self regulate themselves!!
That is the main reason I do not have my own place. To really make it work, no matter if its a ranch or farm, you have to be willing to sell your soul to the government, and I WON'T do it.

Did you know there is a government program through the NRCS that helps pay for pivots? I know that for a fact, because some friends put another pivot on their place and the government helped a great deal.

I understand what you are getting at, but not everyone sells their soul to the government...that's painting with a very broad brush.

There! Fixed! I tend to write like I talk and I say/type more than is necessary.
Like putting 'those' in this sentence. It didn't need 'those'... so I deleted it.

No worries, life is good!

 

[farmboy]

I guess I don't feel bad buying a high dollar combine this year,even knowing corn was probably going to be $4. Along with the high dollar land we just bought, I guess those of us that plan and prepare and can afford the ($400,000) combines and high dollar land do get tired of others that can't wait for times to get tough so we fail, and I will put my ($400,000) combine up against any other combine regardless of price, I will guarantee less waste out the back and more product in the tank faster and cheaper. I have no problem with the guys that have the second hand machinery, I also have alot of it, but I wish failure on no one.

 

[jigs]

I don't wish failure on anyone, but found it a bit odd they were spending the money before the crop was in the bin.... as for a new combine kicking less out the back ...I doubt it.... all in operator and setting it up.... my neighbors 8820 will out thresh a new Deere any day of the week......

penciling out $8,000 / acre ground is a bit of a tough one, in my opinion.... or the $450/ acre rents that are going on now...a correction is coming, just a matter of when

 

[farmboy]

Have you seen for yourself what a new Deere can do? I bet I can get my new Deere and an 8820 to clean the same but I would be running circles around the 8820. I would also need a fleet of them with GOOD operators to do what I can with the Deere's. Any moron can run machinery, but finding GOOD help to actually operate it is the chore. I'm not wanting argue with anyone or make anyone mad, I really enjoy this site and reading most posts and replies, everyone seems close knit, which is what I love about living in the country!!!

 

[gcreekrch]

I thought about buying a $2000 Massey combine once just to give the neighbors something to talk about. Driving one through downtown Anahim Lake would definately raise an eyebrow or two. :lol:

 

[3 M L & C]

I don't wish failure on anyone, but found it a bit odd they were spending the money before the crop was in the bin.... as for a new combine kicking less out the back ...I doubt it.... all in operator and setting it up.... my neighbors 8820 will out thresh a new Deere any day of the week......

penciling out $8,000 / acre ground is a bit of a tough one, in my opinion.... or the $450/ acre rents that are going on now...a correction is coming, just a matter of when

Our ground around here is going for 3500 for dryland right now. While it doesn't pencil out for someone like me who would have to borrow the money and is just downright crazy. It does however work for the older guys who are buying it and have the money setting around as they sure aren't getting any kind of intrest rate anywhere for their money.

 

[Silver]

I thought about buying a $2000 Massey combine once just to give the neighbors something to talk about. Driving one through downtown Anahim Lake would definately raise an eyebrow or two. :lol:

I have kicked the idea around myself for two reasons. Second reason is about the same as yours, the first reason is I have thought about planting a few acres of some kind of hull less grain to put in my pellet stove to get me through the winters.
But I think it is likely far simpler to just buy a ton of pellets here and there and not complicate life any more than it already is

 

[Angus 62]

Federal crop insurance isn't revenue neutral and hasn't been for some time. Taxpayers subsidize around 62% of premium costs. Last year it cost taxpayers in excess of 14 billion and the year before in excess of 11 billion when all costs are included. This transfer of wealth (read socialism) is why land is bringing what it is bringing and corn is grown in places it never should be. This will only perpetuate itself which is what all giverment programs do.