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Cowdogs around the country.

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Here are our two dogs. Cotton is the mostly white one, he is Mikes dog and is a McNab. The other one is Jill my dog. Cotton is her father, she is half McNab and half Border Collie.

They go everwhere and do everything with us. I think the McNabs are a little less "busy" than the straight border collies. I loved my old dog Dolly but she had a hard time settling down and following the horse. Neither of ours have alot of bite, but we don't want them too. They will both bite when needed but only then. They will both head and heel. I don't know how people get along without a heading dog!!! Here where we are dogs save you so much riding you wouldn't believe it.

Justin...like I'd tell Soapweed...I don't think you've ever seen a good dog work, or cows that have been worked with a good dog :)

One of our friends has a Fuzzy face, cute dog. He sure likes them, its the second or third one he's had.
 
Nicky said:
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Here are our two dogs. Cotton is the mostly white one, he is Mikes dog and is a McNab. The other one is Jill my dog. Cotton is her father, she is half McNab and half Border Collie.

They go everwhere and do everything with us. I think the McNabs are a little less "busy" than the straight border collies. I loved my old dog Dolly but she had a hard time settling down and following the horse. Neither of ours have alot of bite, but we don't want them too. They will both bite when needed but only then. They will both head and heel. I don't know how people get along without a heading dog!!! Here where we are dogs save you so much riding you wouldn't believe it.

Justin...like I'd tell Soapweed...I don't think you've ever seen a good dog work, or cows that have been worked with a good dog :)

One of our friends has a Fuzzy face, cute dog. He sure likes them, its the second or third one he's had.
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you are proabably right. a good dog could maybe change my mind, but i don't have one and probably can't afford one :-)
 
Well having work around some cattle that could Get Quite Snuffy when/if Cowboyed or over worked Border Collies tend to be to busy for me... I like to have my dog with me when I need it _ I don't want to go to my truck every time I need a dog.
My dogs stay by my side as I walk through/with the stock until I need them _ then they work Slow and Tough and don't upset the "Snuffy" stock.

I had to tell my friend with his BC"s "NO DOGS" _ I got tired of fixing Fences

Photos:
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Justin said:
Nicky said:
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Here are our two dogs. Cotton is the mostly white one, he is Mikes dog and is a McNab. The other one is Jill my dog. Cotton is her father, she is half McNab and half Border Collie.

They go everwhere and do everything with us. I think the McNabs are a little less "busy" than the straight border collies. I loved my old dog Dolly but she had a hard time settling down and following the horse. Neither of ours have alot of bite, but we don't want them too. They will both bite when needed but only then. They will both head and heel. I don't know how people get along without a heading dog!!! Here where we are dogs save you so much riding you wouldn't believe it.

Justin...like I'd tell Soapweed...I don't think you've ever seen a good dog work, or cows that have been worked with a good dog :)

One of our friends has a Fuzzy face, cute dog. He sure likes them, its the second or third one he's had.
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you are proabably right. a good dog could maybe change my mind, but i don't have one and probably can't afford one :-)
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If you're going to be in NE Montana in the next few weeks- or know someone travelling thru- I can fix you up with one that you can afford- that has all the breeding and instinct in the bloodlines to be a good one...All depending on the time with training you want to put forth...
 
Nicky said:
Justin...like I'd tell Soapweed...I don't think you've ever seen a good dog work, or cows that have been worked with a good dog :)
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With the odds of one in 57 for me to win a new pickup, I have a better chance of getting the new pickup than of ever owning a good cow dog. :wink:
 
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these old dogs werent ever much count for anything except lickin pots,but they would get right after a sulled up cow,in the alley or trailer they would move em.
That blue dog is a bonafide 18 years old closin in on 19.
good luck
 
Soapweed said:
Nicky said:
Justin...like I'd tell Soapweed...I don't think you've ever seen a good dog work, or cows that have been worked with a good dog :)
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With the odds of one in 57 for me to win a new pickup, I have a better chance of getting the new pickup than of ever owning a good cow dog. :wink:
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There is a difference between a good stockdog and a truckload of yodelin' potlickers. :wink: :D
 
Soap maybe you should try a dog. Once you get them to mind they do exactly what you tell them. They do not come with preconceived notions, nor do they talk back. If you spend lots of time with them as pups so that you develope a good bond, they won't leave you sittin by yourself when you go to screamen and holler'n. I know none of that probably happens much at your place, if I didn't have dogs I'd be short a crew most of the time. When ever I have my dogs with me they are always out away from me gather'n or bringing cattle, I tell everyone I am so hard to get along with that my dogs don't even like my company. I work 2 to 4 border collies. All are females, 3 black and white short hairs and a tri-color medium coat. The sure make moving cattle fast and easy. The oldest dog Maddie is excellent help in the heavy lot, she can bring pairs with the best of them.
 
flyingS said:
Soap maybe you should try a dog. Once you get them to mind they do exactly what you tell them. They do not come with preconceived notions, nor do they talk back. If you spend lots of time with them as pups so that you develope a good bond, they won't leave you sittin by yourself when you go to screamen and holler'n. I know none of that probably happens much at your place, if I didn't have dogs I'd be short a crew most of the time. When ever I have my dogs with me they are always out away from me gather'n or bringing cattle, I tell everyone I am so hard to get along with that my dogs don't even like my company. I work 2 to 4 border collies. All are females, 3 black and white short hairs and a tri-color medium coat. The sure make moving cattle fast and easy. The oldest dog Maddie is excellent help in the heavy lot, she can bring pairs with the best of them.
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Believe it or not, :wink: I've been around a few "cow dogs" that their owners considered quite wonderful. I confess, it is me that comes with the preconceived notions. :roll: No matter how good a dog might be, the canine tends to distract the bovine. When a cow is looking at, or running from a dog, the cow is not doing what I want her to do. The only really good dog I ever saw in my life was Luke, owned by Doug Crouse. Even as good as Luke was, I'd still rather not have to contend with the efforts of a cowdog.

In comparing dogs to horses, a dog's life expectancy is only half as long. By the time they know anything, they are already pretty much over the hill. It probably costs just as much to feed a dog as it does a horse. The best thing about a horse is that they don't leave hair all over the pickup seat. :wink:
 
Sic Em I got a pup the owner called an Idaho Shag at the rodeo in miles city-I wonder if it's the same as an idaho fuzzie-she is dedfinately the smartest pup we've ever had-she looks alot like a Bernese Mountain Dog-I seem to remember her mentioning Bearded Collie in the mix. Dylan and Murray run short haired collies that don't look all like traditional ones a bit leaner and longer legged but good dogs from what I've seen. I don't mind dogs for gathering but they get tied up if I'm doing an A'I project. I got kicked just above the belt buckle and broke an A'I gun in half because of a willing helper.
 
Soapweed said:
flyingS said:
Soap maybe you should try a dog. Once you get them to mind they do exactly what you tell them. They do not come with preconceived notions, nor do they talk back. If you spend lots of time with them as pups so that you develope a good bond, they won't leave you sittin by yourself when you go to screamen and holler'n. I know none of that probably happens much at your place, if I didn't have dogs I'd be short a crew most of the time. When ever I have my dogs with me they are always out away from me gather'n or bringing cattle, I tell everyone I am so hard to get along with that my dogs don't even like my company. I work 2 to 4 border collies. All are females, 3 black and white short hairs and a tri-color medium coat. The sure make moving cattle fast and easy. The oldest dog Maddie is excellent help in the heavy lot, she can bring pairs with the best of them.
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Believe it or not, :wink: I've been around a few "cow dogs" that their owners considered quite wonderful. I confess, it is me that comes with the preconceived notions. :roll: No matter how good a dog might be, the canine tends to distract the bovine. When a cow is looking at, or running from a dog, the cow is not doing what I want her to do. The only really good dog I ever saw in my life was Luke, owned by Doug Crouse. Even as good as Luke was, I'd still rather not have to contend with the efforts of a cowdog.

In comparing dogs to horses, a dog's life expectancy is only half as long. By the time they know anything, they are already pretty much over the hill. It probably costs just as much to feed a dog as it does a horse. The best thing about a horse is that they don't leave hair all over the pickup seat. :wink:
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Luke was a really good dog.. It's okay soap if you don't want or need a cowdog...I'm sure kosmo's dog fills all the canine feelings you have... And he is a spendid dog too... Sometimes keeping it simple is the best..
 
Soapweed said:
flyingS said:
Soap maybe you should try a dog. Once you get them to mind they do exactly what you tell them. They do not come with preconceived notions, nor do they talk back. If you spend lots of time with them as pups so that you develope a good bond, they won't leave you sittin by yourself when you go to screamen and holler'n. I know none of that probably happens much at your place, if I didn't have dogs I'd be short a crew most of the time. When ever I have my dogs with me they are always out away from me gather'n or bringing cattle, I tell everyone I am so hard to get along with that my dogs don't even like my company. I work 2 to 4 border collies. All are females, 3 black and white short hairs and a tri-color medium coat. The sure make moving cattle fast and easy. The oldest dog Maddie is excellent help in the heavy lot, she can bring pairs with the best of them.
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Believe it or not, :wink: I've been around a few "cow dogs" that their owners considered quite wonderful. I confess, it is me that comes with the preconceived notions. :roll: No matter how good a dog might be, the canine tends to distract the bovine. When a cow is looking at, or running from a dog, the cow is not doing what I want her to do. The only really good dog I ever saw in my life was Luke, owned by Doug Crouse. Even as good as Luke was, I'd still rather not have to contend with the efforts of a cowdog.

In comparing dogs to horses, a dog's life expectancy is only half as long. By the time they know anything, they are already pretty much over the hill. It probably costs just as much to feed a dog as it does a horse. The best thing about a horse is that they don't
leave hair all over the pickup seat.
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Soap if your pickup is so clean you worry about a lil dog hair you aint living right,aint nuthin like a lil dog hair on your pickup seat and cow manure on the floor board,damned near sacreligious to ranch without a couple pot lickers.
good luck

PS When you get spruced up and headed for town,that ole dog hair will wash off along with the manure :wink:
 
Northern Rancher said:
Sic Em I got a pup the owner called an Idaho Shag at the rodeo in miles city-I wonder if it's the same as an idaho fuzzie-she is dedfinately the smartest pup we've ever had-she looks alot like a Bernese Mountain Dog-I seem to remember her mentioning Bearded Collie in the mix. Dylan and Murray run short haired collies that don't look all like traditional ones a bit leaner and longer legged but good dogs from what I've seen. I don't mind dogs for gathering but they get tied up if I'm doing an A'I project. I got kicked just above the belt buckle and broke an A'I gun in half because of a willing helper.
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I am sure that pup you got is about the same thing.

I like my short haired BC more for the fact that I don't have to clean weeds and seeds out of her coat. She has plenty of leg and and can go forever if you let her.

My sentiments exactly about having too much help in the corral. Last year when I was AI'ing, I had a cow that was fighting the chute the whole time and couldn't figure out what was going on. My male dog had come to the rescue, in his mind, and was biting at her nose. I was less than impressed with him and knows better now, I hope!!
 
Soapweed said:
flyingS said:
Soap maybe you should try a dog. Once you get them to mind they do exactly what you tell them. They do not come with preconceived notions, nor do they talk back. If you spend lots of time with them as pups so that you develope a good bond, they won't leave you sittin by yourself when you go to screamen and holler'n. I know none of that probably happens much at your place, if I didn't have dogs I'd be short a crew most of the time. When ever I have my dogs with me they are always out away from me gather'n or bringing cattle, I tell everyone I am so hard to get along with that my dogs don't even like my company. I work 2 to 4 border collies. All are females, 3 black and white short hairs and a tri-color medium coat. The sure make moving cattle fast and easy. The oldest dog Maddie is excellent help in the heavy lot, she can bring pairs with the best of them.
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Believe it or not, :wink: I've been around a few "cow dogs" that their owners considered quite wonderful. I confess, it is me that comes with the preconceived notions. :roll: No matter how good a dog might be, the canine tends to distract the bovine. When a cow is looking at, or running from a dog, the cow is not doing what I want her to do. The only really good dog I ever saw in my life was Luke, owned by Doug Crouse. Even as good as Luke was, I'd still rather not have to contend with the efforts of a cowdog.

In comparing dogs to horses, a dog's life expectancy is only half as long. By the time they know anything, they are already pretty much over the hill. It probably costs just as much to feed a dog as it does a horse. The best thing about a horse is that they don't leave hair all over the pickup seat. :wink:
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I can't really blame Soapweed for his cow dog opinions.
Everybody can't be as enlightened as us dog owners. :wink:

But really even the very best dog will cause a wreck around especially Angus cows if the cows aren't dog broke. I have at times trouble with my cows coming back just to fight the dogs. One time we had yearling get to the neighbors. We rode over with thew dogs. Well those cows circled up and went to bellowing the yearlings didn't know what was going on and the dogs just went off and went down. Finally the cows started off and we picked up the yearlings and went home.
My 87 yr old dad never used dogs moving cattle but he sure enjoys going out to move the calves out of the pens in the morning with the dogs now. Wonders why he never had one years ago. :D
 
They need to be worked every day i think. Keeping them kenneled and not used is not good-kind of like the barrel horse that only sees arenas. I just never had enough steady dog work to do a good one justice-guess i'll have to invent some for Dessie.
 
We still have cows that will try to raise cain with our dogs. I just let the dogs pack up on those cows to get them straightened out. Some cows just never learn though. That's when you have to determine whether or not it's worth it to wear your dogs ego down, or suck it up and go give them a hand. A good "get behind" on a dog saves alot of mental bashing on the dogs and extra work for me.
 
Northern Rancher said:
They need to be worked every day i think. Keeping them kenneled and not used is not good-kind of like the barrel horse that only sees arenas. I just never had enough steady dog work to do a good one justice-guess i'll have to invent some for Dessie.
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Keeping them kenneled and not used is bad but not kenneling them and expecting them to be ready to work doesn't work very good either.
 
Having the cows dog broke is definately the key, we've bought cows and it takes them awhile to adjust. And yes, some cows are just 'dog fighters' and that's all there is too it.

I think the area a person is in and how much people help you have makes a difference too. Sure if you are in a couple hundred acre pasture and have 4 riders you don't need a dog. Here where we are with the just the two of us it would be horrible without dogs. Not to mention they will go places I'm scared to go :wink:

We dog owners are very enlightened :)
 

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