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Denny

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I see Topp Hereford's averaged over $7700 on a 109 Hereford Bulls. I thought boy thats a mark for Schaffs to try and hit. I heard that they averaged around $10,000 on 390 bulls.I guess I've used some SAV genetics AI and see no greater value than an average home raised bull in the performance. Why would commercial guys go that crazy it Baffles me.

I've got 30 yearlings and I'm hoping to average $1700 on them different markets and clients I'm sure.
 
Don't worry about the competition Denny, you net will likely be close to theirs. :wink:

The purchase of a few dry "donor cows" at 30-40,000 might bring your average up. :D
 
Holy Crap,

It almost takes your breath away.

Howdy


Schaff Angus Valley 108th Production Sale
Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:38 PM CST
At the Ranch, St. Anthony, ND

February 12, 2011


Breed: Angus

390.....Bulls.....$10,475

165.....Females.....$8,866

Top Selling Bulls:




Lot 277 SAV Harvestor 0338, 4/18/10 son of SAV Heritage 6295 at $275,000.

Lot 141 SAV First Class 0207, 3/6/10 son of SAV Net Worth 4200 at $265,000.

Lot 2 SAV Potential 0205, 3/5/10 son of SAV Pioneer 7301 at $180,000.

Lot 255 SAV Sunrise 0060, 2/26/10 son of SAV 004 Density 4336 at $65,000.

Lot 92 SAV Bulletproof 0032, 2/24/10 son of SAV Bismarck 5682 at $60,000.

Lot 1 SAV Paramount 0115, 3/1/10 son of SAV Pioneer 7301 at $45,000.

Lot 37 SAV Premium 0064, 2/26/10 son of SAV Pioneer 7301 at $45,000.

Top Selling Females:

Lot 401 SAV Madame Pride 3249, 4/8/03 daughter of SAV 8180 Traveler 004 at $56,000.

Lot 421 SAV Emblynette 3123, 2/20/03 daughter of BCC Bushwacker 41-93 at $50,000.

Lot 428 SAV Emblynette 0489, 1/2/10 daughter of SAV Final Answer 0035 at $39,000.

Lot 512 SAV Polly 0477, 1/6/2010 daughter of SAV Net Worth 4200 at $25,000.

Lot 434 SAV Emblynette 0449, 1/26/10 daughter of SAV Pioneer 7301 at $25,000.

Lot 473 SAV Blackcap May 0486, 1/7/10 daughter of SAV 8180 Traveler 004 at $25,000.
 
Why anybody would pay that money for a bull when you can A'I to the sire for $30 is beyond my ken. You could hire me to A'I'-George Strait to sing to the crew at dinner and Shania Twain to rub our backs after supper and Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders to keep our spirits up as we work and still be money ahead. Congratulations to Schaff's they are getting things done but it's still crazy. A big outfit by Calgary had a sale yesterday too averaged around $5,000 but all went to commercial outfits.
 
People are getting a little stupid at the bull sales it seems.

Where is the logic? Less cows means you NEED less bulls (in aggregate).

Nothing beats a good mania.
 
SAV had the courage to name the $280,000 bull SAV Harvestore.


http://www.angusjournal.com/salebooks/schaff021211/full/86.jpg



http://www.harvestore.com/structures.html

Presumably, they named the bull after the silos-- and possibly an indication of the feed that type of animal will require.... :???: :wink:
 
Oldtimer said:
SAV had the courage to name the $280,000 bull SAV Harvestore.


http://www.angusjournal.com/salebooks/schaff021211/full/86.jpg



http://www.harvestore.com/structures.html

Presumably, they named the bull after the silos-- and possibly an indication of the feed that type of animal will require.... :???: :wink:
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In the dairy business, they call Harvestores "blue tombstones" meaning that they cost so much that you go under trying to pay for it. Seems like the 2 may coincide
 
Northern Rancher said:
I just looked and I've got a half brother to the $180,000 Genex bull I'd let him go for $90,000 I'd even throw 30 bred cows to use him on next summer.
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It is amazing what a prefix will do for you! We sold some 1/2 brothers to "harvestore" last year for $3100 and $2500. Just doesn't seem fair!
 
Denny said:
I see Topp Hereford's averaged over $7700 on a 109 Hereford Bulls. I thought boy thats a mark for Schaffs to try and hit. I heard that they averaged around $10,000 on 390 bulls.I guess I've used some SAV genetics AI and see no greater value than an average home raised bull in the performance. Why would commercial guys go that crazy it Baffles me.

I've got 30 yearlings and I'm hoping to average $1700 on them different markets and clients I'm sure.
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For $1700 I'd cut their nuts and finish them out. Deduct the semen testing and marketing PIA and you'll be way money ahead finishing them out. I'm guessing another month or two, close outs on calf-feds are going to be pushing $1700 gross, awfully dang close right now.
 
It is good to know that there is no shortage of money! :D

Good for them for getting the money to flow their way! :)

Those guys involved in the high dollar bulls are establishing a percieved value simply with the purchase price and speculating that the percieved value will generate enough interest from immediate semen sales to make a return on their investment. It has worked in the past and it will in all likely hood work again with a few of those bulls.8)
 
Just Ranchin said:
Oldtimer said:
SAV had the courage to name the $280,000 bull SAV Harvestore.


http://www.angusjournal.com/salebooks/schaff021211/full/86.jpg



http://www.harvestore.com/structures.html

Presumably, they named the bull after the silos-- and possibly an indication of the feed that type of animal will require.... :???: :wink:
Click to expand...

In the dairy business, they call Harvestores "blue tombstones" meaning that they cost so much that you go under trying to pay for it. Seems like the 2 may coincide
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I thought they were called blue coffins as a lot of defunct farms have several :twisted: :twisted:
 
Dylan Biggs said:
It is good to know that there is no shortage of money! :D

Good for them for getting the money to flow their way! :)

Those guys involved in the high dollar bulls are establishing a percieved value simply with the purchase price and speculating that the percieved value will generate enough interest from immediate semen sales to make a return on their investment. It has worked in the past and it will in all likely hood work again with a few of those bulls.8)
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Thanks for the positive thoughts Dylan. :-)

Good marketing of a proven product usually pays off. :wink:
 
BlackCattleRancher said:
Denny said:
I see Topp Hereford's averaged over $7700 on a 109 Hereford Bulls. I thought boy thats a mark for Schaffs to try and hit. I heard that they averaged around $10,000 on 390 bulls.I guess I've used some SAV genetics AI and see no greater value than an average home raised bull in the performance. Why would commercial guys go that crazy it Baffles me.

I've got 30 yearlings and I'm hoping to average $1700 on them different markets and clients I'm sure.
Click to expand...

For $1700 I'd cut their nuts and finish them out. Deduct the semen testing and marketing PIA and you'll be way money ahead finishing them out. I'm guessing another month or two, close outs on calf-feds are going to be pushing $1700 gross, awfully dang close right now.
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The thought has crossed my mind but how do you ever get established if you don't get started. You can't start out at the top well you can if someone's paid the due's I'm paying due's.
 
Dylan Biggs said:
It is good to know that there is no shortage of money! :D

Good for them for getting the money to flow their way! :)

Those guys involved in the high dollar bulls are establishing a percieved value simply with the purchase price and speculating that the percieved value will generate enough interest from immediate semen sales to make a return on their investment. It has worked in the past and it will in all likely hood work again with a few of those bulls.8)
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It's refreshing to read your comments Dylan; far too many in agriculture take the other road & demonize success. Few realize the management expertise & generations of breeding decisions it takes to reach the success that SAV is enjoying. It's a very simple choice in an AI program to either use their genetics or not to if Shaff's cattle don't fit your criteria!
 
cowsense said:
Dylan Biggs said:
It is good to know that there is no shortage of money! :D

Good for them for getting the money to flow their way! :)

Those guys involved in the high dollar bulls are establishing a percieved value simply with the purchase price and speculating that the percieved value will generate enough interest from immediate semen sales to make a return on their investment. It has worked in the past and it will in all likely hood work again with a few of those bulls.8)
Click to expand...

It's refreshing to read your comments Dylan; far too many in agriculture take the other road & demonize success. Few realize the management expertise & generations of breeding decisions it takes to reach the success that SAV is enjoying. It's a very simple choice in an AI program to either use their genetics or not to if Shaff's cattle don't fit your criteria!
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:agree:
 
Maybe im really cheap but I have never spent more than 2500 on a bull. My cattle may not be the best but they sell just the same as any other. If I ever spent ten grand on a bul he better cover 200 cows!!!!
 
it must be somthing in the water in that St. Anthony, ND country.

http://www.angus.org/angusproductions/SaleReportsdtl.aspx?eid=DgAAAN5GuXEzbUjLGYMPDUmyFkc%3d&il=DgAAAEQrujU5dwVoL18j9OafTcE%3d
 

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