Justin
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Faster horses said:
i think that was only their second sale too. like i said, must be the water up there. :wink:
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i think that was only their second sale too. like i said, must be the water up there. :wink:
Dylan Biggs said:It is good to know that there is no shortage of money!
Good for them for getting the money to flow their way!
Those guys involved in the high dollar bulls are establishing a percieved value simply with the purchase price and speculating that the percieved value will generate enough interest from immediate semen sales to make a return on their investment. It has worked in the past and it will in all likely hood work again with a few of those bulls.8)
Agreed. I think the thing to consider is why they can get $270,000 more for a half brother than someone else. There is nothing wrong with looking at and learning from other's successes. We may not be able to copy it but working to understand it can often open opportunities in our own businesses.
I have learned more about marketing commercial cattle through my involvement in the seedstock side, and it certainly has paid dividends. As for the average :shock: , that is simply amazing...
Just Ranchin said:
Truly is amazing what a prefix will do for you. I never looked at this catalogue but see many where the seller is riding the wave and can't supply enough bulls to meet the demand. Typically they go out and buy a cows, some bred by the previous owner. I expect if your cow had went there and calved the bulls would be average or better.
Good on them and they have plenty to be proud of. But I expect once you get past the top third things get pretty average in everything but price.
Faster horses
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Maybe some of that is oil money, Justin.
Speaking of which, is there any oil activity going on or planned
around your place? Certainly seems to be a buzz word about
anywhere you go.
Speaking of which, is there any oil activity going on or planned
around your place? Certainly seems to be a buzz word about
anywhere you go.
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I didn't get back to the house for dinner till about 1:30PM today-- so missed the first of the Coleman/Trexler (Missoula MT) sale on Superior today-- but watched the rest of it....
Bulls were overfat imho- butcher fat------ but they have been breeding an interesting concept....Using quite a few SAV and other high performance breeders sired cows- and breeding back to a lot of OCC bulls- Emblazon, 6807, Juneau, Missing Link, etc--along with some N-Bar and EXT breeding....
I missed most the 18 month old fall calves sell- but watched the yearlings...Top yearling bull I saw sell was an OCC Juneau out of a Connealy Onward daughter that sold for $34,000 for 1/2 interest/1/2 possession...Second highest was an OCC Missing Link out of Sitz Alliance 6595....
Angus bulls sold really hot-- but the 20-30 Limi or Lim-flex bulls they sold were much lower (altho they gave a guarantee to take back/give back the money on any bull that turned ornery)....
Bulls were overfat imho- butcher fat------ but they have been breeding an interesting concept....Using quite a few SAV and other high performance breeders sired cows- and breeding back to a lot of OCC bulls- Emblazon, 6807, Juneau, Missing Link, etc--along with some N-Bar and EXT breeding....
I missed most the 18 month old fall calves sell- but watched the yearlings...Top yearling bull I saw sell was an OCC Juneau out of a Connealy Onward daughter that sold for $34,000 for 1/2 interest/1/2 possession...Second highest was an OCC Missing Link out of Sitz Alliance 6595....
Angus bulls sold really hot-- but the 20-30 Limi or Lim-flex bulls they sold were much lower (altho they gave a guarantee to take back/give back the money on any bull that turned ornery)....
Justin
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Oldtimer said:
i thought those bulls were as fat as any i've seen sell.
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I stole this off another site- don't mean it as a knock -but what a difference a few years make !!! :wink:
GUESS WHO MADE THIS STATEMENT:
GUESS WHO MADE THIS STATEMENT:
Howdy1
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Quote:
the whole reason for the existence of registered, purebred cattle is to produce seed stock bulls for the commercial industry.
When there is a strong market potential and high dollars within a breed, the chasing of the latest fad and race to breed cattle with the highest figures takes over,"
--the cattle that perform and reproduce without high input costs and that pay the bills when marketed across the scale. Unfortunately there are no measurements for many of these vital components. Consequently, these basics of animal breeding are being ignored by many in the quest to chase fads and figures."
Some of the seed stock being sold for top prices are sending the wrong message to the industry about what is most valuable to the commercial cattleman.
"When a registered breeder has a $100,000 cow that can't raise a bull good enough to sell to a commercial producer, there's something wrong with this picture," This is leading many breeders to wonder where the breed is headed.
The seed stock producer must never lose sight of what needs to be supplied to the commercial cattle breeder.
HYPE SELLS CATTLE—FOR AWHILE
Some of the people who enter the industry, attracted by this popularity, are hobby breeders or investors who get into the action with popular bloodlines, spending high dollars and pushing the "value" of these cattle even higher. This opens the door to promoters rather than breeders, and invites people who know how to promote the latest trend. This gives a false picture to the average seed stock producer and to the stockmen who utilize the breed—and especially to the new breeders just coming into the business
They assume that the highest selling bulls or the females bringing high dollars are the best kind to have. But if that "value" doesn't have a direct benefit to functionality and the commercial cattleman's bottom line, this can lead a breed in the wrong direction.
Any breeder—purebred or commercial—who tries to select cattle by the criteria being promoted today will eventually end up with a herd that has lost ground in some of the most important traits.
Seed stock breeders who use "numbers" genetics and the popular bloodlines that have been promoted more on hype than on their actual do- ability are finding that this is not working for their commercial customers.
My Guess is Kit Pharo. But don't really have a clue
the whole reason for the existence of registered, purebred cattle is to produce seed stock bulls for the commercial industry.
When there is a strong market potential and high dollars within a breed, the chasing of the latest fad and race to breed cattle with the highest figures takes over,"
--the cattle that perform and reproduce without high input costs and that pay the bills when marketed across the scale. Unfortunately there are no measurements for many of these vital components. Consequently, these basics of animal breeding are being ignored by many in the quest to chase fads and figures."
Some of the seed stock being sold for top prices are sending the wrong message to the industry about what is most valuable to the commercial cattleman.
"When a registered breeder has a $100,000 cow that can't raise a bull good enough to sell to a commercial producer, there's something wrong with this picture," This is leading many breeders to wonder where the breed is headed.
The seed stock producer must never lose sight of what needs to be supplied to the commercial cattle breeder.
HYPE SELLS CATTLE—FOR AWHILE
Some of the people who enter the industry, attracted by this popularity, are hobby breeders or investors who get into the action with popular bloodlines, spending high dollars and pushing the "value" of these cattle even higher. This opens the door to promoters rather than breeders, and invites people who know how to promote the latest trend. This gives a false picture to the average seed stock producer and to the stockmen who utilize the breed—and especially to the new breeders just coming into the business
They assume that the highest selling bulls or the females bringing high dollars are the best kind to have. But if that "value" doesn't have a direct benefit to functionality and the commercial cattleman's bottom line, this can lead a breed in the wrong direction.
Any breeder—purebred or commercial—who tries to select cattle by the criteria being promoted today will eventually end up with a herd that has lost ground in some of the most important traits.
Seed stock breeders who use "numbers" genetics and the popular bloodlines that have been promoted more on hype than on their actual do- ability are finding that this is not working for their commercial customers.
My Guess is Kit Pharo. But don't really have a clue
Bullhauler
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My guess would be Jim Leachman.
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http://angusthemagazine.com/currentissue/2008/jul-aug/numbersalone.html
High Plains
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My guess is that there are a whole lot of generalities in there and not much for a person to really argue about. Love it when a breeder tells us all that everyone else is doing it wrong. :roll:
Northern Rancher
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Good stuff!
