Creekstone Testing Does Not Advance the Cause????

[Anonymous]

SAY WHAT? Is this the reason we have 20 month for some- 30 month for others-- No age limit on some BSE countries? SRM removal rules for one country that are different than the SRM removal rules for another? What or Who's cause is he talking about :???:

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USDA: mad cow testing by single company bad for international trade

WASHINGTON - U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns said today that the federal government can't let an Arkansas City Company test its cattle for mad cow disease because doing so would be bad for international trade.

"If you're going to have a coherent system of trade in beef... you need to advance the cause of scientifically based international standards," Johanns said at the annual North American Agricultural Journalists meeting in Washington, D.C.

"There's no scientific justification" for why Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, which owns a packing plant in Arkansas City, should go ahead and test all its cattle for bovine spongiform encephalitis, commonly called mad cow disease, Johanns said.

Creekstone filed suit last month against the Agriculture Department, seeking the right to test every animal it slaughters for mad cow disease.


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Alan Bjerga
Wichita Eagle

 

[T3023]

SAY WHAT? Is this the reason we have 20 month for some- 30 month for others-- No age limit on some BSE countries? SRM removal rules for one country that are different than the SRM removal rules for another? What or Who's cause is he talking about :???:

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USDA: mad cow testing by single company bad for international trade

WASHINGTON - U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns said today that the federal government can't let an Arkansas City Company test its cattle for mad cow disease because doing so would be bad for international trade.

"If you're going to have a coherent system of trade in beef... you need to advance the cause of scientifically based international standards," Johanns said at the annual North American Agricultural Journalists meeting in Washington, D.C.

"There's no scientific justification" for why Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, which owns a packing plant in Arkansas City, should go ahead and test all its cattle for bovine spongiform encephalitis, commonly called mad cow disease, Johanns said.

Creekstone filed suit last month against the Agriculture Department, seeking the right to test every animal it slaughters for mad cow disease.


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Alan Bjerga
Wichita Eagle

Your democrat and republican officials working diligently to kill middle class America and turn it into a third world country, while making themselves first class citizens of the NWO. What corporate wants, corporate gets!

Corporate can buy the politicians and tell them what to do. They can say
"if it don't make us any money we don't want any part of it!"

 

[Econ101]

This really shows how out of touch the hand picked leaders of industry are when it comes to the American way.

Johannes needs to go back to the corporate welfare world he came from and leave the free market alone.

 

[Sandhusker]

What does a scientific justification have to do with anything? When has that been a requirement for exporting any product? This is rediculous.

 

[Anonymous]

Using your logic, the FDA is standing in the way of the free enterprise system in the U.S. Why should the government be allowed to determine what foods are safe? Why should science apply to drug approval?

Same stupid shallow logic!


~SH~

 

[RobertMac]

Using your logic, the FDA is standing in the way of the free enterprise system in the U.S. Why should the government be allowed to determine what foods are safe? Why should science apply to drug approval?

Same stupid shallow logic!


~SH~

Does Creekstone's testing do anything to make their product unsafe?

 

[Sandhusker]

Using your logic, the FDA is standing in the way of the free enterprise system in the U.S. Why should the government be allowed to determine what foods are safe? Why should science apply to drug approval?

Same stupid shallow logic!


~SH~

Why should the US government make decisions on product for the Japansese? Isn't that the job of their governement?

 

[Tommy]

Quote...IN THE NEWS: (Japan tests all their domestic beef for BSE. It is obvious that Japan would resume trade if U.S. beef was also tested for BSE, which is what Creekstone wants to do. Wonder if Johanns has ever compared the difference of lost Japanese trade dollars against what little it would cost to test?? In addition, since the Japanese love U.S. beef so much, it would be a good bet that Japan would be more than willing to absorb that small testing cost. USDA's refusal to allow a private packing plant to test for BSE is just mind boggling!)

 

[Anonymous]

RM: "Does Creekstone's testing do anything to make their product unsafe?

That's not the issue. The issue is the fraud in testing with a test that would not reveal BSE prions even if they were there. CONSUMER FRAUD!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

RM: "Does Creekstone's testing do anything to make their product unsafe?

That's not the issue. The issue is the fraud in testing with a test that would not reveal BSE prions even if they were there. CONSUMER FRAUD!


~SH~

Since this product is destined for Japan, isn't it up to the Japanese to determine what is fraudulent and what is not?

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "Since this product is destined for Japan, isn't it up to the Japanese to determine what is fraudulent and what is not?"

I've seen nothing from the Japanese government stating that they support consumer fraud. Can you find such documentation?

I didn't think so!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandbag: "Since this product is destined for Japan, isn't it up to the Japanese to determine what is fraudulent and what is not?"

I've seen nothing from the Japanese government stating that they support consumer fraud. Can you find such documentation?

I didn't think so!


~SH~

I've never seen anything from them where they claim what Creekstone proposes is consumer fraud. Can you find such documentation?

 

[Econ101]

RM: "Does Creekstone's testing do anything to make their product unsafe?

That's not the issue. The issue is the fraud in testing with a test that would not reveal BSE prions even if they were there. CONSUMER FRAUD!


~SH~

Then under your definition of Consumer Fraud, all bogus testing by the USDA prior to Phyllis Fong's intervention is CONSUMER FRAUD!------unless you have different dictionaries for packers and producers.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag,

Ahem, you diverted again Spindoctor.

I said I've seen nothing from the Japanese government stating that they support consumer fraud. Can you find such documentation?

Yes or no?

Conman: "Then under your definition of Consumer Fraud, all bogus testing by the USDA prior to Phyllis Fong's intervention is CONSUMER FRAUD!------unless you have different dictionaries for packers and producers."

Conman, USDA was testing older cattle where bse prions would be revealed if they were there, not young cattle like Creekstone wanted to test where bse prions would not be revealed if they were there.

Apples and oranges.

Congratulations, you did it again! You displayed your ignorance for all the world to see AGAIN. Have you no shame?


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "Sandbag, Ahem, you diverted again Spindoctor. I said I've seen nothing from the Japanese government stating that they support consumer fraud. Can you find such documentation? Yes or no? "

Is this a joke? What is the punch line?

NO, SCOTT, I CAN PROVIDE NO DOCUMENTATION FROM THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT STATING THEY SUPPORT CONSUMER FRAUD.

Now, what leads you to believe the Japanse Government considers Creekstone's proposal consumer fraud?

 

[Econ101]

Sandbag,

Ahem, you diverted again Spindoctor.

I said I've seen nothing from the Japanese government stating that they support consumer fraud. Can you find such documentation?

Yes or no?

Conman: "Then under your definition of Consumer Fraud, all bogus testing by the USDA prior to Phyllis Fong's intervention is CONSUMER FRAUD!------unless you have different dictionaries for packers and producers."

Conman, USDA was testing older cattle where bse prions would be revealed if they were there, not young cattle like Creekstone wanted to test where bse prions would not be revealed if they were there.

Apples and oranges.

Congratulations, you did it again! You displayed your ignorance for all the world to see AGAIN. Have you no shame?


~SH~

So why did they miss the one Phyllis Fong caught for them?

The "science" that the USDA is using is manipulatable and it is manipulated. They are not running this agency based on "science" they are running it on politics.

 

[RobertMac]

I said I've seen nothing from the Japanese government stating that they support consumer fraud. Can you find such documentation?

Yes or no?

YES The Japanese test every animal going to human food supply...either they accept "consumer fraud" or they don't believe it is "consumer fraud"...which is it??????????????

Can you please explain the difference between BSE prions in young animals and BSE prions in older animals?

Obviously the Japanese think testing ALL animals makes beef safer!!!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "Now, what leads you to believe the Japanse Government considers Creekstone's proposal consumer fraud?"

Obviously the Japanese government understands the science behind bse tests that will not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age or they would not have allowed U.S. imports without testing.

You're still living in the past.

RM: "YES The Japanese test every animal going to human food supply...either they accept "consumer fraud" or they don't believe it is "consumer fraud"...which is it??????????????"

Then why did the Japanese government not insist on bse tested beef from the United States?

RM: "Can you please explain the difference between BSE prions in young animals and BSE prions in older animals?"

The BSE tests Creekstone planned to use would not reveal BSE prions in younger cattle even if they were there. Those same tests will reveal BSE prions in older cattle. What's the difference between the prions themselves? I don't know and I doubt you do either.

RM: "Obviously the Japanese think testing ALL animals makes beef safer!!!!!!!"

Then why did Japan import beef from the U.S. without testing?

Once again, the obvious is simply too obvious for a blamer.



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Quote:
Sandbag: "Now, what leads you to believe the Japanse Government considers Creekstone's proposal consumer fraud?"


SH, "Obviously the Japanese government understands the science behind bse tests that will not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age or they would not have allowed U.S. imports without testing. You're still living in the past. "

How then do you explain their requests for testing?

 

[Econ101]

I would suspect, and this is only a guess, that the Japanese politicians are trying to protect their politically powerful agriculture (specifically Wagyu) segment. One way to do this is to go along with the USDA's MID and have age verified and under a certain age cattle to be imported. This would reduce the competition from U.S. Wagyu meat on the Japanese market due to the age at which Wagyu must be marketed.

I wonder how the Australians have solved this problem.