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My 16 year old has some younger horses to start so wants to sell her 9 year old mare. She's a granddaughter of poco bueno and has lots of other old breeding in her pedigree. A real nice zebre dun -she's raised a colt too. She's dead quiet too. If anybody wants to look up her pedigree her registered name is Sandy Poco Tab-3461011.
 
I am glad you posted that. It reminds me that I have been considering buying a horse to help me work my cows. While I rode my first horse and took lessons in horseback riding when I was in the third grade and have ridden off and on every since I am still no wrangler. I can ride well enough to keep from falling off and make the horse go the way I want but as far as working cows with one, I am lost. If I could find an old horse that has worked cows all his life that can teach me a thing or two then it might be worth it. Yes, I may try it if I can find a horse that I can let have his head and he can pin a cow.
Any suggestions form you wranglers out there.

Thanks
Tired Of Shaking A Feed Bucket.
 
The worst horse is still better than the best quad-find yourself an old gelding that is dead broke and give it a try-but don't expect to buy him for meat price-drives me crazy guys have a 8,000 quad but want a broke to death saddle horse for 800.
 
Good broke geldings start at $2500.00 around here (and more depending on the seller and the horse). If it's been awhile since you've ridden, look around for one in his early teens. By then they should know their business.

A good saddle horse is worth his weight in gold. A bad one will at least make some glue.

Take care.
 
NR, is that $3000 American or Canadian. LOL!!

Seriously, do you have some nice, quiet ranch geldings that you would sell? There seems to be a shortage of them around here--the good dependable ones anyway. How many would you sell, what are their age and size?

Maybe you were just making a passing remark. If so, I understand.
 
You know all I've got right now is a project kind of gelding I'm trying to sell for a neighbor-he's a big bay 16 plus hands an 8 year old-needs to be miled out-I was gonna use him a'iing but the busted ribs put that on hold. All the rest of our horses are mares-I like them better I find them alot keener to work. I can ask my buddy though-he's a great hand with horses and might have some. That big bay would sell for around two-some miles and he'd make the team ropers drool-I don't travel in those circles though lol. We've got some good using mares that we've used lots-calved off them-dragged calves etc.
 
It's hard to find good solid ranch horses. Sitting at the local horse sale, it is like playing Russian Roulette. The fine looking buckskin paint that I acquired last fall and was momentarily proud of, is a prime example. He's good looking, just the right size (15 hands), pretty colored, and the sorry sucker can't walk a hundred feet without stumbling. He almost goes down, and when the rider is off-balanced he'll go to bucking. We saddled him for the last time on this outfit today. I paid $1500, and will either just sell him as a "loose horse" and take my loss, or possibly see if he would be in demand as a bucking horse. He can buck pretty hard when he puts his mind to it.

The trouble is, the local horse sale is just as addictive as this bull session. There is always a chance (a very small one) that someday you will come across a four-legged treasure, as it comes through the ring. One thing about going to the casinos instead, there is less chance of getting "physically hurt". Oh well, life stays interesting.
 
I don't sell horses at auction much but if I do-I just drop them off and pick up my cheque later or I end up coming home with more than I took to sell lol.
 
So it happens to you too, Soapweed?

We have really been burned at horse sales. Really ticked me off when we paid a lot of money for a horse that was probably the worst horse we ever owned. Got him at the Hart Ranch Sale during the Stock Show in Rapid a few years ago. We were just lucky he didn't hurt someone. He wasn't mean, just green as a gourd at 9 years old, very spooky, barn sour, and set in his ways. And his ways weren't our ways.

They promote the monthly horse sales at Billings as being so good. Someone we know bought 4 horses there and 3 of them are lame.
One was a really nice horse from Oregon. Nice, nice and lame, lame.

Do you get the Western Horseman magazine? There is an article on Phil and Debbie Page in the last one. THEY SELL GOOD HORSES. We used to trade some horses with them when we were in W. Montana. They are good people and have good horses, because they understand them and they RIDE them. They are both good hands, but I always thought Phil was just a tad better than Debbie. That's saying a lot, because she is good and women are usually best at getting a horse to handle well. She was just a little quick with her hands and Phil is just enough slower that the horses really like it. Anyway, I saw the article--haven't read it yet--and remembered how much we enjoyed our horse trades with them. Honest people. Guess I better get the article out and read it. The gist of the article was something they weren't doing yet when we knew them. Rocky Mountain School of some sort.
 
My two cents worth: You get what you pay for most times.
I worked at a salebarn for several years and stood in the ring and ran the gate at a bunch of horse sales there. The traders would stand down there and I got a real good education. To paraphrase Soapweed, in another post, no feet no horse.
If a cute little gal is riding the horse thru', look out! They want you to watch her instead of the horse.
When I was working at the salebarn and seen a neighbor in the seats, I'd go up and visit and point out all the horse traders and who they should stay away from and sure as heck, they'd buy a horse from one of those guys! 'Cauz he was pretty! Horsetraders know how to market their horses. Thats how they stay in business.
I have a horse that Faster Horses was going to look at at the stock show, but she got busy and didn't get to look at him. He ain't cheap, but he's gaurentee'd any way you want. Go price a 4 wheeler and then come tell me my horse costs too much. Figure out what it costs to get a fool proof, bomb proof, sound, aged gelding and then tell me what he'd cost me if you owned him and we can have some business.
Our horses never get a hard ride until they are at least five years old, so they last a lot longer. I don't raise horses to sell or trade, but to use.
And Soapweed is right, horsesales are as addictive as this dang place!
We don't ride mares as we trailer and work with a lot of neighbors and geldings seem to get along better, tho' I think mares are like studs, they might be more bother, but they will give you more also.
Worse problem today with horses is that most people don't ride enough to make a horse or keep one rode down who needs it. Most people don't use horses like they used too.
OK, I quit. Good luck with buying a "broke" horse!
 
Bama, Come and spend a few days with Soapweed... He is the best.. Don't buy a horse at a Salebarn... People with good horses don't need to sell through a salebarn... I was burned big time at Corsica... The horse I bought was doped... Find someone who uses horses alot and see if they have something bombproof for you...It will cost you, but it is will worth it..IMO...
 
We have really been burned at horse sales. Really ticked me off when we paid a lot of money for a horse that was probably the worst horse we ever owned. Got him at the Hart Ranch Sale during the Stock Show in Rapid a few years ago. We were just lucky he didn't hurt someone. He wasn't mean, just green as a gourd at 9 years old, very spooky, barn sour, and set in his ways. And his ways weren't our ways.

What is his orginal owners FH? I had a neighbor buy two a few years ago and they came from the same person and were that way. Why do you think people sell horses at a sale as word of mouth will sell a good one faster and for more money. There are exceptions and it is like the hunt for the one horse in a life time buy?
 
Say NR the title of this Thread is "DAUGHTERS HORSE" then everybody gets talking about being burned at horse sales. I wonder how many horses are sold at auction as my "DAUGHTER'S HORSE" :cowboy: Just struck me as funny.
 
Thanks FH, will steer clear of his horses. These horses came from a lady in SD that sells insurance. Don't know her name off hand, they were barn soured, run away horses from the get go. She only rode them in the arena and never outside. My horses woundn't fit other people, they are honest, but will keep you on your toes at times. I need ones with lots of heart and sometimes other people can't handle that. Mine need rode down in the spring to get the humps out, but they will take you where you want to go and back again. They use their brains mostly with you, but sometimes figure things out if you take the short cut. I think more people get stung at a sale. I sell mine loose if I think someone will get hurt on them, ones I sell as ride horses are listed with problems they have.
 
Good for you, rancher. That is a good way to be, then you don't have to worry about something coming back to haunt you.

We have sold LOTS of horses in the past. We had a partner in St. Ignatius that we dealt with and he was great. Trading horses can be honest and still a lot of fun. We didn't buy and sell many, but we FOUND and SOLD horses for people. I always said "If you don't know the horse then you gotta know the people."

We were selling ranch, rope and polo horses sight unseen into Wyoming and never had to take a horse back. We were all so proud of that.

Bob Cordis was the man from St. Ignatius. He doesn't live there anymore. I would like to share a story about him (one of many--but this one shows his character.) He bought a horse at the monthly horse sale in Missoula. The horse was a bit 'off' but the seller assured Bob that he had just trimmed the horse too short (or he got hurt in the trailer, etc--you know the old story). Anyway, Bob believed him, liked the horse and paid quite a bit for him. In two weeks the horse was MUCH WORSE. So Bob called the seller to visit with him about it. The guy on the other end of the phone said, "I don't know why you are calling me. You bought the horse, you own him." Bob says, in his gentlemanly way, "Ahhh, yes. I know what you are saying."

The next month, Bob took the crippled horse back to Missoula to the sale. He ran him through loose and when the horse came in the ring, Bob stood up. He said, "I am Bob Cordis. I bought this horse at the sale last month from _____________"--(I don't know the seller's name, but Bob announced it to everyone there.) "The horse is no good and the man's word is no good."

I always appreciated him doing that. Too bad it doesn't happen more often.

He took a horse to a sale in Billings for someone that we knew. We knew this horse had bucked the lady off, but they didn't tell Bob that. Just asked him to ride the horse through. He called from Billings and told us about selling the horse. His first words were, "that horse should have been in the killer pen." He said that when he rode him in the ring, one of his buddies grabbed the horse by the tail and that horse grabbed himself and lunged across to the wall and came back out really humping. He said the horse only brought $800 and Bob was glad the guy grabbed the horse and no one would get a surprise when they got him home.

We just never bought horses from a horse sale until we moved here. We have done it here simply because it is usually so far to go look at one. Not many people in this area use horses.

And rancher, you are so right, most of the real good horses aren't the most gentle. We have a 26-year old that we have retired that would try you to this day if you got on him. He never bucked anyone off, and he is a Super Horse. He is my husband's horse, I have never ridden him because of how he is. But you can do anything you want to do on him. He stands 16-1, weighs 1435 and is super athletic and smooth as glass. Well, not so smooth now of course, because he is a little stoved up. But he was smooth, one of those horses that did everything on his hind end. Had a great head set, never threw his head in the air. Just one of those you can't replace. Roping, cutting, sorting, riding, you name it, he was super at it. We called him 'Flinch' because he was so touchy when he was young. So I know what you are saying.

Right now though, GENTLE is most important.
 
rancher, I am pretty sure I know who you were referring to that sold you the horse. Could of seen that one coming!

Are you feeling any better? When you think you are too sick to die, you are probably over the hump. lol.
 
Running down "quads" and then complaining about getting burned on horse deals? A new 4 wheeler comes with a warranty, you know.
 
Wish I had more than one finger to type with! I could tell some realy good horse trading stories I have seen and lived in my soon to be 77years.I and some friends,when we were in high school,would go every week to watch the night time horse sale at Sturgis Livestock when it was run by Harley Roth and Jim Madden.The place to be was on the fence behind the door leading into the sale ring!A real eye opener!!
One that I remember well was an afternoon sale when a smart-a-- young wanna-be horse trader rode in a mare and guaranteed her every way.The old boy that bought her went back to the pens,led her to his trailer, saddled her up and was promtly dumped onto the graveled driveway.He swallowed his pride, went back to the barn,led the would be trader out into the driveway and stomped the crap out of him.That trader is now a sheepman!!!
 

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