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I stand corrected.
Diamond D Angus
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per
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Stalin I don't think would be a guru of anyone here. Joel Salatin is from North Virginia and operates a fully integrated small farm that has layer upon layer of enter-prizes. He calls it polyface. Lots to learn from him.
You must mean SW Alberta when you say that you don't think Stalin would be a guru of anyone "here." If you read Political Bull, I think you'll find that we have some people here at Ranchers.net that probably look up to him. :???:per said:
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okangusguy said:
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Diamond D Angus
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robrubaker said:
Sam Wylie has done some interesting breeding using Rito/Emulation/Shoshone/Wye alright... Last year I bought a heifer #16769947 that was sired by Sams Octoraro Ballot STO 6 (now owned by Monte Howrey in SD) and who's mgs is Logan of Wye...
Shes definitely not a high number heifer if you chase the numbers- but she is nice looking- and came in this fall in great shape... She is due to have her first calf in the spring and we can start seeing if she will make a momma cow..
I haven't seen very many of the Waigroup sired calves- but the ones I have looked stout and like they were easy keepers....
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A little behind topic but I'll put my two cents in on both topics. We used Sure Enough 6D and Dazzler 2E in our AI program three years ago. Compared to the other cattle we are using they were a little smaller framed and lighter at weaning, and blockier built when they came out so if you were considering using some of them on heifers, I would be a little careful as they will come a little harder than their EPD's would indicate. We calved the daughters out of the bulls last spring, and they were really good as far as disposition and mothering ability, moderate milkers and fairly easy fleshing, but the calves they raised were lacking some pounds this fall. We all know that the two year old heifer that starts out raising calves real big early sometimes flames out kinda quick. so I expect these cattle will be good as far as longevity is concerned. The cattle weren't as attractive as some of Ohlde's(we've tried them to!!) but the fertility of these so far has been better. We have been using Jorgensen cattle for a number of years, and if you've never used any of their bloodlines in your herd, you should check into some. There are lines that would fit your frame 4 to 5 criteria, flesh easily, be fertile, and maybe leave you with more pounds to sell than the Diamond D's, Ohlde's, and definitly the Pharo's. Now just a quick note about mineral, and supplementation. If our ranch went back to raising cattle like we did in the 60's and 70's we would probably be broke. We easily get 150-200lbs. more weaning weight now than we did then. Granted our cows are bigger, but our cows or heifers we sell probably bring 500$ more per head when we sell them, as compared to our 1970's cows or heifers would bring today. So I think you have to look at the entire picture when deciding what to spend money on (mineral, supplements, etc.) before jumping back in time. I personally don't like writing a check to Vigortone anymore than the rest of you, but if I can see the results of it MAKING!!! me money I'll continue to do it. Sorry for the long post, but tried to cover lots of ground.
I had a son of 41/97 that I used on hiefers for a few years. He was -1.1 BW and seemed very consistent. Kind of plain looking females just as you see on Falloon' s web site. Probably won't do you any harm but you will always have to explain that they ain't pretty but they sure can work. Just like my friend describes his wife.
When NZ/Oz bulls come in EPD numbers they are assigned are basicly zero and are of zero use. Partly because of that you are going to see very few sons out of any proven herds.
When NZ/Oz bulls come in EPD numbers they are assigned are basicly zero and are of zero use. Partly because of that you are going to see very few sons out of any proven herds.
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Well . . . the 41/97 daughters are the prettiest cows I own, but guess that might say more about how ugly everything else I own is.
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Last year I bought a heifer #16769947 that was sired by Sams Octoraro Ballot STO 6 (now owned by Monte Howrey in SD) and who's mgs is Logan of Wye...
Have you seen the Ballot STO 6 bull? I did before he left Sam's. Meat hanging off that little bugger all over the place. I'd like to use him, but am waiting a few more years to see how his daughters stack up. I think he's been collected so hopefully he'll be around a while. Looked up your heifer. Very interesting. Hope she does well for you.
Have you seen the Ballot STO 6 bull? I did before he left Sam's. Meat hanging off that little bugger all over the place. I'd like to use him, but am waiting a few more years to see how his daughters stack up. I think he's been collected so hopefully he'll be around a while. Looked up your heifer. Very interesting. Hope she does well for you.
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robrubaker said:
Just saw pictures of the Ballot bull- and his calves- and saw some of the production records from him-- but figured if he did as good for Sam as he says- and good enough for the type cows Monte has- it would not hurt to sample him :wink:
Just was looking at this heifer today- as I am having to start to roll out about 10lbs of hay a day to the cows-- as the grass this year (we have gobs of it) but it is lacking in OOOMPH- low protein...And hay is cheap around here so would rather not let the cows go downhill... But she is in top condition......
Yesterday- at the local sale- from a dispersion lot- 1030 lb second calvers sold for $1650---1150lb coming 4's topped the sale at $1750... Some Broken mouth 1300 lbers brought as much as $1250.... Thru the whole sale, cows were strong- with mid age full mouth 1250 lb cows bringing $1200-1400- and broken mouths bringing $900 to $1000... Sales Yard was packed- folks standing in the hall...
Before the bred cow sale they sold 400-500 Ton of grass alfalfa hay (tested as +14% protein)-- sold for $28.50 a bale (bales guaranteed to be between 1025- and 1100 lbs)-- which makes it less than $55.00 a ton.. One of the neighbors that lost all his hay to the 3 months of spring flooding bought it all..
Been a long time since I seen this situation- cheap hay and high priced cows...
For too many years its usually been the opposite...
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Oldtimer said:robrubaker said:
Just saw pictures of the Ballot bull- and his calves- and saw some of the production records from him-- but figured if he did as good for Sam as he says- and good enough for the type cows Monte has- it would not hurt to sample him :wink:
Just was looking at this heifer today- as I am having to start to roll out about 10lbs of hay a day to the cows-- as the grass this year (we have gobs of it) but it is lacking in OOOMPH- low protein...And hay is cheap around here so would rather not let the cows go downhill... But she is in top condition......
Yesterday- at the local sale- from a dispersion lot- 1030 lb second calvers sold for $1650---1150lb coming 4's topped the sale at $1750... Some Broken mouth 1300 lbers brought as much as $1250.... Thru the whole sale, cows were strong- with mid age full mouth 1250 lb cows bringing $1200-1400- and broken mouths bringing $900 to $1000... Sales Yard was packed- folks standing in the hall...
Before the bred cow sale they sold 400-500 Ton of grass alfalfa hay (tested as +14% protein)-- sold for $28.50 a bale (bales guaranteed to be between 1025- and 1100 lbs)-- which makes it less than $55.00 a ton.. One of the neighbors that lost all his hay to the 3 months of spring flooding bought it all..
Been a long time since I seen this situation- cheap hay and high priced cows...
For too many years its usually been the opposite...
I was going back thru the archives researching some breeding- and I came across this thread. Don't know if robrubaker is still reading the site- but thought I would update it ...
This is the Octoraro Ballot STO 6 daughter (W C R Celtic Beauty 013X # 16769947)- with her nice big "Juan" (Lazy Bar B Juanada Rito 06X #16741353) heifer calf which I kept for a replacement ... I took this picture the first of September- and the heifer weighed 595 on 11/6...
This is this young cows second calf - having had a bull calf last year that weighed 645- that is now in service at D & L Angus... Sure are nice moderate framed, easy to work with cattle so far...
I had a Fahren Grandson here that we used on heifers little bastards weighed about 65 Lbs all heads and shoulder what a wreck for me. It was an AI sired bull we kept but after this past spring we cut his head off. He was easy to look at but thats where it ended.
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Actually the bull I was curious about and looking for info on was a Banjo of Wye son--D D A Banjo 1101 and a son of his DDA B&T 18K-- but have not been able to find much from any that have used either of them.... The 18K bull has little performance info - only a coming 4 year old...
WB
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Not as experienced as some on here. Will agree with Riverat on Ohlde genepool. Same experience here though on very limited numbers. There are a bunch of programs that offer some maternal genetics that don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You do have to look a bit but they are there. I have high hopes for this bull reg. 17151696. He is only 3 so don't know the whole story yet perfect feet and legs, teddy bear disposition, and a breeding machine. Mature height about 55 inches.
WB
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Sorry wrong reg # should be 17156196
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Sorry reg # should be 17156196
The biggest problem I have with all of these low input types is that you have to remember that the only way lower inputs makes you any money is if production stays the same. If you lose equivalent production then you're just trading dollars. We have used Ohlde bred cattle for years they have a genetic defect the same as any of the other, only the defect is puds. Seems like if you get them too closely bred you will get somewhere around 2% puds.
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I have used Ohlde genetics for about ten years now and I agree weaning weights will suffer. They are best in my opinion if when buying Ohlde inffuenced cattle that they are crossed with something a little more mainstream and performance oriented. The best thing with the Ohlde influenced cattle is at least you are left with a female that resembles what a cow should look like.
I have used other so called maternal genetics and the results were absolutely awful. Not only did I get a pud looking calf but ended up with a bunch of females that fleshed like a thorough bred horse with the disposition of a Mexican fighting bull. That's my rant, there are just some bloodlines I would never use again.
I have used other so called maternal genetics and the results were absolutely awful. Not only did I get a pud looking calf but ended up with a bunch of females that fleshed like a thorough bred horse with the disposition of a Mexican fighting bull. That's my rant, there are just some bloodlines I would never use again.
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Jake said:
From talking to several breeders, the most common mistake they have made was breeding exclusively to those "easy calving" bulls with extremely low birthweight genetics.
One guy even said he dispersed 2/3 of his herd just to start all over again.
The commercial guys seem comfortable with & want calves that weigh 90-95 lbs.
Few commercial buyers know BW EPD's and look at the selling bull's weight for guidance in that decision.