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Liberty Belle

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I have to share an email I got a couple days ago about several articles that Tony Dean has blasted me with lately. Click on the links and you'll find that my old friend Tony has been doing his usual sloppy research. Especially interesting is the comment posted to his Outdoors article in the Argus Leader online.

I find Tony's writings pretty entertaining and his "thorough" research is downright hilarious!!! If you would like to do your own research, the link is: http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2008/index.aspx

Representative Olson :
First I would like to thank you for your work regarding game & fish issues in the legislature. That is not to say I always agree completely with the specific bills in entirety, but simply offer thanks for the hard work.
I have recently read several items online written by Tony Dean and now an Argus Leader article that is an out-right personal attack fully based on last year's facts. Any South Dakota eight grader could have done five minutes of research and determined his statements as false and then written a true news article.
These links will show what I have referenced:
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/OUTDOORS/801230332/1047

http://www.tonydean.com/issues2.html?sectionid=9462

http://rapidcityjournal.com/blogs/outdoors/?p=268#comments

This link is another article filled with erroneous information minus the personal attack at you.

http://www.tonydean.com/issues2.html?sectionid=9474

Thanks again for taking a stand and please continue your efforts. We can always agree to disagree, but there is no need for personal attacks such as Mr. Deans.
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Read this comment posted in answer to Tony Dean's article in the Argus Leader. It explains it pretty well.

I'm not sure if Tony has sunk to an incredible low in his journalistic career or simply lost his mind, but more and more frequently his writing is full of inaccuracies if not outright lies. This story illustrates this point perfectly.

I do not personally agree with everything Betty Olson supports but would never consider attacking her with falsehoods as Tony does in this article.

Check the facts on the bills Mr. Dean references as her creations: HB 1177 landowner big game transferable license and HB 1148 which would prevent Conservation Officers from going on private land.

The reality in 2008 is HB 1148 is "An act to exempt the land application of certain solid waste used for irrigation purposes from requirements related to large-scale solid waste facilities" and House Bill 1177 is "an act to create the beverage container recycling and redemption program".

Rep.Olson is not signed on to either of these bills, but is listed on SB 167 which is referenced in this article as the Senate version of a bill to increase the daily pheasant bag limit to 25 on shooting preserves, but the 2008 bill is actually "An act to revise the penalty for a train blocking a street, road, or highway under certain circumstances."

In the current, 2008, legislative session there is not an open fields bill or a bill to raise limits on shooting preserves. The only bill mentioned in this article that accurately reported is Senate Bill 96 "to provide for the issuance of landowner-sponsored big game hunting licenses."

The bills Tony refers to as HB 1177, HB 1148, SB 167 were presented in the 2007 Legislative Session in the context reported in this article and all died. Is this sloppy journalism at it's best or an absurd personal attack at worst!
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Check this to read it yourself: http://forums.argusleadermedia.com/viewtopic.php?t=13758
 
The bills Tony Dean is so concerned about were all from the 2007 session. Evidently Tony is having a heck of a time keeping up with what is going on and I strongly suggest you check his facts for yourself before you believe a word he says.

In 2007 we brought SB 167 at the request of hunters to raise the daily bag limit for pheasants. HB 1177 was our landowner sponsored big game license bill and HB 1148 was my bill to restrict the entry of conservation officers onto private property without permission. The defeat of HB 1148 is the ONLY reason that over 4 million acres of private land remains locked to hunting.

The only land that I know of that has come out of the lockout are a couple ranches that have gone to pay hunting. I don't see that as a plus for the average blue-collar hunter and for that you can thank GF&P, Tony Dean, and several of your major hunting organizations. Remember that the next time you have trouble finding a place to hunt for free like you used to be able to do on almost all of these locked out ranches and farms.

Read all the 2007 bills here: http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2007/index.aspx
 
they can stay locked out for ever as far as im concerned. Most didnt allow hunting before, and it sure is funny that i happen to know one personaly that came out of the lockout as soon as the goat population exploded on his ranch. Several of his neighbors droped the failed lockout as well. In fact,, the one i know personally, came out of the lockout when he found out a bunch of his neighbors were allowing hunting. He was locked out in support of his neighbors. Pissed him off when he found out his neighbors were allowing hunting.

I have never agreed with Tony 100%, nor do i take what he says as gospel, just like i dont you LB. Do i have time to check out everything, heck no. Just like you dont.

I do have respect for him, just as i do you.
 
Relations between GF&P and landowners have deteriorated over the last few years to such a degree that most of us will continue to be locked out. The only folks suffering because of this are hunters. When you guys can no longer find a place to hunt for free most of you will quit and then maybe the light will dawn for GF&P when they get hit in the pocketbook.

As much as GF&P and guys like Tony Dean would like you to think they are working for hunters' interests, all they have done is alienate the landowners who raise most of the public's wildlife. The only landowners I know who have gotten out of the lockout have gone to pay hunting so they are compensated handsomely for any abuses they have to endure from GF&P. Not exactly a plus for the average blue-collar hunter, is it?

We still have to deal with deer and antelope depredation as we did before, but by closing our land we have eliminated having to put up with GF&P's heavy-handed tactics and the increasing number of hunters that think they have more rights on my private property than I do.

GF&P used to help landowners with wildlife depredation but now we're on our own. Years ago, GF&P respected property rights and the landowners who raised the game animals but that is no longer true. They used to work with landowners to protect crops, haystacks, and grazing from wildlife damage but now GF&P focuses only on law enforcement and increased revenue from license sales leaving landowners to carry the financial burden of raising the public's wildlife and the damage they cause.

Until hunters realize what is being done to them by GF&P, Tony Dean, and most of the hunting groups that are supposedly representing the hunters' interests, nothing will change and it is only hunters who will suffer. Sorry about that.
 
LB answer me one question. Why is that it seems like only your little group of landowners are the only group complaining about GF&P and the relations? I am sure there are landowners from all over the state on this Board, yet it seems like abot 3 of you is all that complains?
 
publichunter said:
LB answer me one question. Why is that it seems like only your little group of landowners are the only group complaining about GF&P and the relations? I am sure there are landowners from all over the state on this Board, yet it seems like abot 3 of you is all that complains?
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publichunter, why don't you answer me this question – why is it that you, Southdakotahunter, and P Joe are the only in-state hunters on here who complain about the lockout? I'm sure there are hunters all over the state that are upset because they can no longer hunt our ranches and farms for nothing because we have locked out to protect ourselves, but you three are all we ever hear from? Why is that?
 
What a politician answer a question with a question. I would tend to bet that probabally we are the only hunters that read your rhetoric on here. Most hunters go to other websites. Where as we bioth know that the majority on here are landowners and producers and the greatest percentage of them never comment nor show you support.
I will go out on a limb a little further, looking at your Legislative record of what you have introduced and what you have passed of your Bills, I think the majority of SOuth Dakotans tend to be on our side, not really affected by your lockout. The majority of South Dakotans dont support what your lockout is doing or will do but all will be happy when you fade into the sunset.
 
You have one thing right – the majority of South Dakotans are not affected by the lockout one way or another because they neither own agriculture land nor hunt, and they could care less about either of us. And frankly, those of us in the lockout really don't care what YOU think. Your thoughts, or lack of thought, as the case may be, is immaterial to us.

If it takes us fading into the sunset to put a smile on your face while you're sitting out on that limb, you're gonna be out on that limb looking glum for a long time. :( Better get used to it. :P
 
I have no problem with the failed lockout. Just dont complain when your overrun. And if you start shooting, i hope the GFP Fines your A$$ heavy for each and every animal you killed when you had the chance to take care of the problem or at least try to thin the herd, to begin with.

You have made your beds. Now just hope you have an easy winter from here on out.
 
Liberty Belle said:
publichunter, why don't you answer me this question – why is it that you, Southdakotahunter, and P Joe are the only in-state hunters on here who complain about the lockout? I'm sure there are hunters all over the state that are upset because they can no longer hunt our ranches and farms for nothing because we have locked out to protect ourselves, but you three are all we ever hear from? Why is that?
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What the hell is your problem LB. I haven't said nothing about anything in these treads, and you mention my name twice in one day. Your lock out sucks, it hasn't accomplished a damn thing and never will. I don't care if you keep in lockout for ever and I really don't give a sh!t if you and Tony have you marrital spat on here. Thats between you 2. I take him at no more value than I take you. A couple of loudmouths!!!! :shock:
 
You should listen to LB testimony online about the
wildlife Collision Bill on Tuesday. She is complaining about too many deer creating accidents in Harding Co.
Gee wouldnt hunting help solve that problem?
 

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