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Just researched : Apparently Hawaii had until August 8, 2011, to produce documents and open the books for a full investigation. This order was delivered on July 5, 2011, under a direct order of the Supreme Court.



In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College.

Now released, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.

The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.

The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President in an article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," which led some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, < U>Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey .

This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.

Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter...


RE: Issue of Passport?

Paul Hollrah at FSM asked and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did Obama use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A : There are only three possibilities:

1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,

2) He traveled with a British passport, ��.or

3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981, he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.

And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport, that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this, and then lower your American Flag to half-staff, because the U.S. Constitution is already on life-support, and won't survive much longer.

If you do care then Forward this to as many patriotic Americans as you can, because our country's future is truly in grave danger � and needs your attention and active support.


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this has been circulating for a couple years now.

SCOTUS is not going to look at this until obama is out of the WH.......

Democrats will request SCOTUS looks into it when Rubio runs

But that does not mean there is not a reason to look at it and come up with a definition of Natural Born Citizen at a later date.

It should have been done much sooner, IMO, so this issue would not have taken up so much time and resources.

SCOTUS should definitely interpret the Founders definition, but the fear at this time is that those that claim that a "NBC" means "those born of citizen parents (plural)" are correct in their interpretations.

The Naturalization Act of 1790

And the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, That person heretofore proscribed by any State, shall be admitted as a citizen as aforesaid, except by an act of Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.

OT, is Rubio a Natural Born Citizen? I don't believe he is......and it's not because of his skin color, but his parentage


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tumbleweed_texn said:
So if Obama is deemed ineligible to be POTUS, even after he is out of the WH, will that fact make every law he has signed and every commitment he has made on behalf of the US null and void?

it would be an extremely complicated case,
and the answer like the question is still not set in law.

possibly not, US laws can not be retroactive,

and often when a person is found in violation of US law the courts set the remedy, not the law, ..

while the remedy should be based on upholding the law, many times it is not. and why many conservatives often complain of activist judges.

if they wait to Obama is out of Office it gives the courts more latitude to frame the question, and answer, but most of all they would have greater latitude in setting the remedy..

most remedies are not punitive or considered punishment by the courts..

more then likely the only remedy will be a definition of natural born and a requirement for states to verify a candidate is eligible for the office prior to getting put on a ballot..

I doubt they would go as far as to remove his retirement benefits, but they may..

and that all hinges upon if they even take the case.....

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