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WOOPS!!! :mad:

While vaccinating calves yesterday, I didn't realize my vaccine gun wasn't calibrated correctly, and was administering 3cc's instead of 2cc's (it was set on 2) :?. Luckily I could track my vet down, and get more vaccine. I just figured we were really going through calves fast :roll:.
 
Well at least you made sure they were vaccinated! :wink: :lol: No harm done except extra product cost and maybe a little job delay to get it.

What kind of gun is it? I can't imagine any that would not deliver what it is set on. Wrong dose usually caused by CRS or the thing got bumped.
 
It was a blue handled Allflex gun. The black button you press in so you can pull back to fill the gun was sticky yesterday, and that should've clued me in, but I thought I was getting by with it okay :roll: . I may have figured it out faster if I would've been giving 5cc's :roll: :lol: .
 
I was using an AllFlex gun this spring to vaccinate calves and thought something wasn't right. Found out that when I laid the syringe down to pick up another, the Allflex was squirting out a dosage. Great thing about that is, that little piece of ground didn't get pinkeye this summer! I have two Durvet syringes that are good. Believe some vaccine company's were giving away Allflex syringes with a certain number of doses purchased. Good for business.
 
I don't know what brand the one's we have are. But nearly ever time we've tried to use those plastic things, we end up unhookin them, and goin back to the good ole stainless steel refillable syringes. I hate those plastic ones.

LOL yours was over dosin, ours was only half dosin, and we'd hafta pump it once before injecting, and again while it was stuck in the calf to give the rest of the dose. That didn't last long, and it was unhooked and back to the old stainless steel one.
 
DejaVu said:
I was using an AllFlex gun this spring to vaccinate calves and thought something wasn't right. Found out that when I laid the syringe down to pick up another, the Allflex was squirting out a dosage.......Believe some vaccine company's were giving away Allflex syringes with a certain number of doses purchased. Good for business.
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Hmm, not that i'm into conspiracy theories or anything but maybe the extra drug leakage wasn't an accident :shock: :wink: :lol: :lol:
 
Faster horses said:
How do you like the Allflex gun? I thought they looked nifty so I
bought us one. Mr FH hated it and he was vocal about it, so
I took it back.
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I liked it pretty good until yesterday... :lol: . I have a few Hauptner guns, and they work well.
 
We have been using Allflex bottle top syringes and really like them. Just have to watch to make sure they draw properly from the bottle. We also use the steel/glass henke syringes and like them a lot.
 
Did that this spring. Can't blame it on anything but myself though. 2 vaccines going, and I had the wrong dosage set on the one. Gave 1/2 the herd a double dose. Of course, it was not the cheap stuff that we doubled up either.

We have 2 Allflex syringes and one that draws out of the bottle. Got rid of all our stainless steel ones, never had anything but grief with them, have never had a problem with the Allflex yet, the biggest thing is to keep them clean. And, of course to DOUBLE check your dosages and settings :wink:

I like the one that draws right out of the bottle, but some of the bottles don't work with it. Can be a pain in the butt that way....
 
We use the plastic disposable syringes and change needles for every animal. When the day is done the syringes and needles are disposed of. How would you like to go to the doctors and s/he uses the same needle on all his patients that day regardless of their health. New needles is a cheap way to insure that you are not infecting animals with a dirty needle if you happen to have a carrier of disease in your herd.
 
That would be a lot of syringes and needles for some on this site.
Every 100 calves would take 400 needles from birth to weaning at our place.
I also think the dosage on the good repeater syringes is more accurate than on the disposable ones where you draw up each shot individually.
We check all our syringe dosage against a standard measure twice a year, and only use detectable needles. We only use small bottles (10 dose) and we change needles every bottle. This lets us control temperature and mix time on modified live. We also have a special cooler that we use at our processing locations for the sole purpose of storing or transporting veterinary drugs.
Every animal has tag number, date, product, dose, diagnosis (if required), who gave the shot, serial number/batch, expiry date and withdrawal recorded at our place. It is not that difficult as I use our software and do it as big processing batches for vaccinations.
All used needles, scalpel blades go into a marked SHARPS container.
 
PATB said:
We use the plastic disposable syringes and change needles for every animal. When the day is done the syringes and needles are disposed of. How would you like to go to the doctors and s/he uses the same needle on all his patients that day regardless of their health. New needles is a cheap way to insure that you are not infecting animals with a dirty needle if you happen to have a carrier of disease in your herd.
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That would work great in a small herd, BUT, in a larger herd as mine, (and I'm not even considered a LARGE producer in this area) it would take over 1,000 needles every year! :shock: Plus; the 50 dose bottles we use would be room temperature before it's emptied! Even if there's ice in the cooler! :? All calves in a group are at risk regardless of using different needles for every calf. The salt box, feces on the prairie, the water tank, those could all be carriers of any diseases!
 
We use 2 syringes for each vacine when processing cattle. There is always a full syringe when the calf gets in the chute. What would it cost a producer if he spread tric thru his herd by re-using needles? I agree that it adds cost to the process but the bio security is worth it to me. I would hate to go to the doctors and have him reuse a needle that he just stuck into someone who had aids or VD.
 
Okay Allflex gun users... I think I figured out what happened :D !

There was too much play between the black dial piece, and the other black piece with the release button. To tighten, take the barrel and inner rod (I guess that's what it's called) off, and tighten the adjustment located inside the end where the barrel attaches.

I never even noticed this adjustment before, but you can bet I'll be checking it pretty regular from here on out :? . I'm sure the gun probably came with care instructions which mentioned it, but clearly I never read them :lol: :roll: .

Hope this saves someone else from the same costly mistake :D .
 
Frank in West Dakota said:
That would work great in a small herd, BUT, in a larger herd as mine, (and I'm not even considered a LARGE producer in this area) it would take over 1,000 needles every year! :shock: Plus; the 50 dose bottles we use would be room temperature before it's emptied! Even if there's ice in the cooler! :? All calves in a group are at risk regardless of using different needles for every calf. The salt box, feces on the prairie, the water tank, those could all be carriers of any diseases!
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Exactly.

In my small herd here, doing it PatB's way is fine, however, where I work that just is not practical. As Frank stated the vaccines would be warmed up by the time of administering etc. The amount of time it takes to get all the vaccinating done would be increased, there are just too many animals to do at one time.

I also have to agree that the single-use plastic syringes may not be completely accurate. As evidenced by my experience this past weekend with Penicillin and a horse. I had a 100ml bottle and administered five 20ml doses (20ml according to the plastic syringe) that should equal 100ml.....there was still 5ml remaining in the bottle. :o

Anyhow, where I work the stainless and glass syringes are used, not sure of the brand.

K
 
Glass and stainless are the tool of choice around here. I got an an Allflex last winter but, to this point, am certainly not too fond of it.

But the thing that made the biggest difference for our processing was the purchase of a crate with a neck extender. No more lunging backward and forward - they push into the catch gate and there they have to stand almost immobilized. Really adds to syringe longevity.

Who all has discovered this lovely invention?
 
burnt said:
Glass and stainless are the tool of choice around here. I got an an Allflex last winter but, to this point, am certainly not too fond of it.

But the thing that made the biggest difference for our processing was the purchase of a crate with a neck extender. No more lunging backward and forward - they push into the catch gate and there they have to stand almost immobilized. Really adds to syringe longevity.

Who all has discovered this lovely invention?
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What brand chute are you using? I've heard good and bad reviews on the neck extenders. Seems like they would be really handy, but I talked to someone with a Big Valley Silencer chute who did not like them.
 

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