Don't worry Canada - R-CALF is DEAD

[Econ101]

Your a member you should have the financials, why don't you straighten us out?

I have absolutely no reason to believe you can be "straightened out". I've seen whats been done with direct, easy to understand quotes.

You bring nothing again .Question everything Prove nothing.

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BMR, while members of rcalf and potential members may have reason to the answers you ask, you have no standing.

In my town, the Baptists don't run the Morman church.

Why do you or any other Canadian think you should be able to?

As my kids would say, Noneya (they don't get away with saying that to my co-totalitarian dictator and I in the household). I hope you understand that it is not your job to run rcalf or any other U.S. organization.

You might do better on disclosing and/or asking the salaries of the multinational executives and lobbyists.

If you wish to continue, tell us about Canada's organization's leaders and their salaries.

 

[don]

econ: BMR, while members of rcalf and potential members may have reason to the answers you ask, you have no standing.

In my town, the Baptists don't run the Morman church.

Why do you or any other Canadian think you should be able to?

As my kids would say, Noneya (they don't get away with saying that to my co-totalitarian dictator and I in the household). I hope you understand that it is not your job to run rcalf or any other U.S. organization.

You might do better on disclosing and/or asking the salaries of the multinational executives and lobbyists.

If you wish to continue, tell us about Canada's organization's leaders and their salaries.

and yet a goodly number of people from south of 49 (maybe including yourself, certainly sandhusker) said canada should just give up any information needed to satisfy their curiosity about the van dyke cattle. i hope you understand it is not your job to run ccia or any other canadian organization. lol.

 

[Anonymous]

econ: BMR, while members of rcalf and potential members may have reason to the answers you ask, you have no standing.

In my town, the Baptists don't run the Morman church.

Why do you or any other Canadian think you should be able to?

As my kids would say, Noneya (they don't get away with saying that to my co-totalitarian dictator and I in the household). I hope you understand that it is not your job to run rcalf or any other U.S. organization.

You might do better on disclosing and/or asking the salaries of the multinational executives and lobbyists.

If you wish to continue, tell us about Canada's organization's leaders and their salaries.

and yet a goodly number of people from south of 49 (maybe including yourself, certainly sandhusker) said canada should just give up any information needed to satisfy their curiosity about the van dyke cattle. i hope you understand it is not your job to run ccia or any other canadian organization. lol.

Canadians alway forget one thing tho---It is not US cattlemen that are screaming to send cattle north (we pretty well forgot about that plan with your 12+ years of "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED" Border barrier)-- it is Canadians that keep wanting to get into the US market.....To me it shouldn't be Canadians then telling us how to operate it....

 

[rkaiser]

Econo -

In my town, the Baptists don't run the Morman church.

Why do you or any other Canadian think you should be able to?

Don't quite get what you mean Econo, but I'd like a crack at running a Morman church for a while. Does that mean I'd get a different wife every night of the week?

Do you know if this self motivated fellow gets 159K a year? And if he does, do you think the money is well spent?

 

[don]

i have to admit oldtimer, you just keep on swinging even if you never connect. keep on with the mantra: canadians are evil, i am so afraid, canadians are evil, i am so afraid..................

 

[Anonymous]

i have to admit oldtimer, you just keep on swinging even if you never connect. keep on with the mantra: canadians are evil, i am so afraid, canadians are evil, i am so afraid..................

Not saying that don-- but the new kid on the block wanting to come in and play shouldn't think he can automatically be able to choose the game played too......

 

[nowhereroad1972]

Sandhusker & OT

Give Dennis McDonald a call at 406-537-2333.

Ask him about the figure of $159K. The number coming through the grapevine has Bullards sallary went up by a third during the time membership dropped by a third.

 

[Sandhusker]

Econo -

In my town, the Baptists don't run the Morman church.

Why do you or any other Canadian think you should be able to?

Don't quite get what you mean Econo, but I'd like a crack at running a Morman church for a while. Does that mean I'd get a different wife every night of the week?

Do you know if this self motivated fellow gets 159K a year? And if he does, do you think the money is well spent?

You'd better run that past Momma and take a look at some of those women first.

 

[T99]

Nowhere Road 1972: The number coming through the grapevine has Bullards sallary went up by a third during the time membership dropped by a third.

Bullard's salary might have gone up (but again this is just a rumor) while membership dropped but the huge increase in membership came just after Bullard came on board and started speaking around the country. His salary should have gone up and even if it is around 150k, that's not a huge salary in 2007. As far as the membership drop for R-CALF, membership didn't begin to drop until Kiker's presidency. It didn't drop anywhere near the third that you claim but yes, it did drop while Kiker was president.

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

I think many would agree that 150K is a whopping big salary for the chief hombre of a credibility-challenged, drum-thumping band of gullible wanna-be's.

Typical member - Sandhusker. Why does he conjure up the image of a little kid with his fingers in his ears hollering "If I scream loud enough, I won't be so frightened"?:nod:









:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

I think many would agree that 150K is a whopping big salary for the chief hombre of a credibility-challenged, drum-thumping band of gullible wanna-be's.

Don't know the date of this article- but heres a comparison:

If you were making $226,543 a year, not counting benefits, like Chuck Schroeder as CEO of the NCBA, or Monte Reese as head of the Checkoff making $140,000 per year plus $30,271 in benefits, wouldn't you think the program was working pretty well?

http://www.aaalivestock.com/articles/almst.html

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

Ahem . . . where exactly is the comparison? Don't worry boys, just go donate a few more calves at the next r-calf dig. Tell yourself it's all for a worthy cause! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Sandhusker]

Your a member you should have the financials, why don't you straighten us out?

I have absolutely no reason to believe you can be "straightened out". I've seen whats been done with direct, easy to understand quotes.

You bring nothing again .Question everything Prove nothing.

The US version of the 4D's
Dance
Dodge
Divert
Deceive

I don't understand why you demand to know R-CALF business and why you would expect me to deliver. You hate us with a passion, you're constantly going to rediculous lengths to bad-mouth us and you're not going to change. You're like Hitler asking the Jews for a passover meal recipe.

 

[Anonymous]

Ahem . . . where exactly is the comparison?

I have to agree Maple Leaf Angus --$226,543 a year, not counting benefits is exhorbitant for just having to rubberstamp USDA/AMI/Packer policy ...... :wink: :lol:

 

[nowhereroad1972]

The huge gain in membership started well prior to Bullard joining R-CALF. The fall run that started in South Dakota is the main reason R-CALF's membership grew and that is thanks to Mike Maher donating the first calf. Then we all saw first Lockie then Carter out on the road. Bullard just sat back and got a fat paycheck.

Bullard frothed at the mouth and sweated through his rants, but those two boys built the membership.

The membership started to drop before Kiker became Pres. But it did excellerate as people have gotten sick of Bullard. The membership hasn't been helped by folks like Dennis McDonald, a devote Democrate, running off Republicans.

I don't know what you make a year but $159K would make a major improvement around here. It is a HUGE pile of money when the membership is leaving in droves. You blame Kiker for the drop in membership, but Bullard is the reason it grew?

 

[Tam]

I think many would agree that 150K is a whopping big salary for the chief hombre of a credibility-challenged, drum-thumping band of gullible wanna-be's.

Don't know the date of this article- but heres a comparison:

If you were making $226,543 a year, not counting benefits, like Chuck Schroeder as CEO of the NCBA, or Monte Reese as head of the Checkoff making $140,000 per year plus $30,271 in benefits, wouldn't you think the program was working pretty well?

http://www.aaalivestock.com/articles/almst.html

NCBA 6000 in attendance at National Convention
R-CALF 300 in attendance at national Convention :wink:

 

[Bill]

Nowhere Road 1972: The number coming through the grapevine has Bullards sallary went up by a third during the time membership dropped by a third.

Bullard's salary might have gone up (but again this is just a rumor) while membership dropped but the huge increase in membership came just after Bullard came on board and started speaking around the country. As far as the membership drop for R-CALF, membership didn't begin to drop until Kiker's presidency. It didn't drop anywhere near the third that you claim but yes, it did drop while Kiker was president.

His salary should have gone up and even if it is around 150k, that's not a huge salary in 2007.

That's a huge salary for probably 99% of the people here especially coupled with an almost $300,000 operating loss in their last fiscal year.

 

[Hanta Yo]

I've always wondered about R-Calf's books. I've mentioned it a couple times on Ranchers.net. I would have thought the person doing the books would have given the BOD a "heads up" when the bottom line first became RED.

MCA (Montana Cattlemen's Assoc) have 2 seats on the MT Beef Council board. Their membership doesn't jive with the $$$$$. I know for a fact that ranchers who donate a calf to R-CALF also receive a "complimentary" membership to MCA. I also know that ranchers donating calves for their local StockGrowers (or whatever they call themselves) are really donating to R-Calf. R-Calf's main income has been coming in through the back door, making donors believe they are donating to their local Stockgrowers, and find out later they are not only members of R-Calf but of MCA, too, because their calf donation monies went to R-CALF.

As ticked as I am about Montana CattleWomen losing a seat because of decrease in membershio, I think those 2 women who represent MCA on the Beef Council Board are learning how checkoff dollars really work.

Anyone here like to join up with Montana CattleWomen? We are in the midst of Legislation, we have a lobbyist, plus we go as individuals to give testimony to different committees. Geez, if we could get more members we could really kick butt! Those of you from out-of-state should really support your state CattleWomen group. Associate dues for Montana CattleWomen is $50.00, dues for non-active people are $20.00

We would really appreciate your contributions toward increasing our membership!!!!!

 

[Econ101]

econ: BMR, while members of rcalf and potential members may have reason to the answers you ask, you have no standing.

In my town, the Baptists don't run the Morman church.

Why do you or any other Canadian think you should be able to?

As my kids would say, Noneya (they don't get away with saying that to my co-totalitarian dictator and I in the household). I hope you understand that it is not your job to run rcalf or any other U.S. organization.

You might do better on disclosing and/or asking the salaries of the multinational executives and lobbyists.

If you wish to continue, tell us about Canada's organization's leaders and their salaries.

and yet a goodly number of people from south of 49 (maybe including yourself, certainly sandhusker) said canada should just give up any information needed to satisfy their curiosity about the van dyke cattle. i hope you understand it is not your job to run ccia or any other canadian organization. lol.

Hey, tracing those cattle back to the border with the ear tags was not unreasonable at all. If Swift had done it, Van Dyke would not have been without a paycheck for 47 days and have to a lot of grief to get it.

I tend to agree with you on not tracing the cattle back to an individual other than the one bringing them across the border--unless there was a disease issue that warranted it. That was the primary information necessary to clear this matter up. The date and person who brought them across was fair information. Swift should have been able to do it instead of being "Slow".

 

[Econ101]

Econo -

In my town, the Baptists don't run the Morman church.

Why do you or any other Canadian think you should be able to?

Don't quite get what you mean Econo, but I'd like a crack at running a Morman church for a while. Does that mean I'd get a different wife every night of the week?

Do you know if this self motivated fellow gets 159K a year? And if he does, do you think the money is well spent?

You are a stouter man than me. I have a hard time keeping up with just one wife.

No, I don't know what he gets paid. 159 k seems like a whole lot, but the packers are outspending ranchers for similar positions and their lobbyists you can be sure.

How much does Cam get? You see what I mean.