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Driving Me Crazy!

I Luv Herfrds

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If I have one more customer ask when the bread truck is coming I'm going to scream!
Yes I am guessing these people are totally ignorant.
Sorry but Yes sweetheart, western family, standish farms, wonder bread and the others you keep bugging me about were owned by Hostess and yes they are also closed down.
There is nothing I can do.

Pitiful just pitiful.
 
Everybody here is learning again how great the fresh bread of the local grocery store bakery or the whole wheat and multigrain breads of Grains of Montana bread (a locally owned bakery)...
 
http://grainsofmontana.com/

local of course being Billings :roll: :roll: :roll: Billings has moved to Valley county :wink: :wink: :wink:
 
hopalong said:
http://grainsofmontana.com/

local of course being Billings :roll: :roll: :roll: Billings has moved to Valley county :wink: :wink: :wink:


Everybody here is learning again how great the fresh bread of the local grocery store bakery or the whole wheat and multigrain breads of Grains of Montana bread (a locally owned bakery) ...



Quite simple--Local bakery in the grocery store is the one in the Albertsons store (on highway 2 in Glasgow- which makes it about as local as you can get) and Grains of Montana was started and is still owned by a local (Nashua) wheat farming family (Nielsens) that provides their own wheat for the product...When you buy Grains of Montana products you are supporting local wheat farmers...
http://www.grainsofmontana.com/aboutus.asp
The family members also own and operate the local stockyards....
Linda Nielsen is the Vice Chair on the Montana Board of Livestock...
 
Do you know how many of these people do not read a blasted thing? I could tattoo it to my forehead and they still would not read it! :roll:

Got a small bakery on our main street and they are doing brisk business.
 
Montana bakers filling void left by Sweetheart shutdown
LARRY MAYER/Gazette Staff


The closure of the Sweetheart bakery in Billings last month has been a huge boon for at least two other Montana bakeries.

"It's helped our business tremendously," said Kyle Nielsen, the owner of Grains of Montana.


Nielsen opened a 10,000-square-foot bakery in Billings four years ago and suddenly finds himself supplying a much larger market, thanks to the absence of Sweetheart Bakeries, makers of Wonder Bread, Twinkies and other familiar brands.

"This gives us tremendous exposure to new accounts," Nielsen said.

Over in Three Forks, Wheat Montana owner Dean Folkvord is also enjoying a surge in business.

"Sweetheart owned the market, literally. They were the 800-pound gorilla," he said. "It's really a dramatic situation for a bakery like ours that has been competing with them for more than 20 years."

Al Jones, an independent business consultant in Billings, has been following the fortunes of Sweetheart for more than 10 years, dating to when he worked in economic development for the state Commerce Department.

He said the Sweetheart bakery in Billings was the only production plant the company had in Montana, and it had none in the Dakotas, Wyoming or Idaho. The Billings bakery produced bread and buns, with other products like Hostess Twinkies and Sno Balls shipped in from distant bakeries.

But the bakery's reach was broad and deep in Montana. Jones said it supplied nearly all the bread for Wal-Mart, Albertsons and IGA grocery stores. Folkvord said Sweetheart also supplied stores in remote communities all across eastern and northern Montana.

"They took care of everybody everywhere," he said. "They took care of all the small markets."

They took care of them to such an extent, Folkvord said, that he heard some stores on the Hi-Line ran out of bread after the mid-November closure of the Billings Sweetheart bakery.

Jeff Finley, co-owner of Finleys' Food Farm in Chinook, said things didn't get quite that bad at his store, but "we were dwindling our supplies down pretty quick" in the weeks following the shutdown.

His shelves have since been restocked, partly by Wheat Montana, which has gone from 10 percent of his bread inventory to 25 percent. The rest of the gap has been filled by bakeries that distribute through Associated Foods, which has a warehouse in Helena, he said.

A lot of the bread being distributed by Associated Foods is made by Dunford Bakers in Utah, Finley said.

In the wake of the Sweetheart shutdown — part of Hostess Brands' nationwide bankruptcy liquidation — Finley learned that many of his customers never knew how much Sweetheart bread they were eating.

People generally knew that Sweetheart made Wonder Bread, but many other brands were also produced by the corporation, including Western Family, Standish Farms and Roman Meal. In addition, Sweetheart made "store brand" breads that would be sold under an Albertsons, IGA or some other label.

Finley said some of his customers assumed he had forgotten to order their favorite bread and was using the Sweetheart shutdown as an excuse for not stocking it.

"I don't think they believed us for the first week," he said.

The way he sees it, Wheat Montana could make some inroads into the traditional market, regardless of who eventually replaces Sweetheart.

"Once they try it, I think they'll stick with it," he said.

Folkvord certainly hopes so. He said Wheat Montana was able to cherry-pick in some of the larger markets served by Sweetheart but hadn't made much of an effort in some of the smaller towns on the Hi-Line or in far Eastern Montana.

"Those were the areas Sweetheart really owned. We've enjoyed this push," he said.

Production at Wheat Montana is up 30 percent over last year, and Folkvord has switched from a four-day-a-week baking schedule to six days a week. He's also made about 20 new hires, bringing total employment to a little more than 200.

At Grains of Montana, the numbers are up, too.

"We're aggressively hiring right now," Nielsen said. "We've added some staff, and we're trying to hire more."

Two recent hires include bakers left jobless by the Sweetheart shutdown. Nielsen said they're finding a much different atmosphere at his bakery.


"They have much more appreciation for the dough," he said, doing hands-on baking instead of running a machine. "Here, they go home with flour all over them."

And sure enough, former Sweetheart baker Daniel Harness was rolling onion rolls by hand at Grains of Montana on Tuesday. He had been there less than a week, having lost his job at Sweetheart — where he worked on the "bun line" — about a year after starting there.

"I like this because it's a more quality product," he said. "At Sweetheart it was all go, go, go. It was all about quantity."

Jones said Sweetheart's relentless focus on production rather than innovation was what got the company in trouble. He said it hadn't done much advertising in 10 years and ended product development long before that.

Sweetheart was a pioneer with its whole-grain Roman Meal bread in the 1960s, Jones said, but it barely evolved after that. And as bad as that was in the bread market, it was even worse in the snack food division.

"You haven't done anything for 30 years in a fickle child's market?" Jones said.

The same attitude was apparent in other aspects of the business, Jones said. The closest Sweetheart bakery west of Billings was in Seattle.

"At the home office, you ignore things like the Rocky Mountains that might affect your distribution. The degree of stupidity has been increasingly amazing," Jones said.

It's hard to say how the market will level out, Jones said, but Franz Bakery, based in Portland, Ore., has been pushing into Montana for a decade and is a likely candidate to expand into former Sweetheart markets.

Franz also seems like a good candidate for buying the shuttered bakery here, Jones said.

Folkvord, with Wheat Montana, said Oroweat out of Denver is also moving into Montana. He expects other companies to make a push into the region, especially given all the oil-related development in North Dakota and Eastern Montana.

"We don't know if this thing's going to last for a long time," Folkvord said, but in the meantime he is able to "expand one customer at a time."

Nielsen said he expects to see increased sales for another three to four months before things start leveling off.

Grains of Montana makes 30 bread products and 40 pastry products. Nielsen hopes the Sweetheart shutdown and the increasing emphasis on locally produced foods will put his products on a lot more plates in the area.

"We're as local as you can get," he said



Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/montana-bakers-filling-void-left-by-sweetheart-shutdown/article_a90b1298-ad6c-54f2-9c7f-03172d2c6ef5.html#ixzz2EU5CgQ6i
 
Well, I see in the convience stores here if we want chips our choices are Old Dutch or Old Dutch. The possibilities are endless and the choice is ours. Lol
 
I Luv Herfrds said:
Biggest complaint I hear is the cost of Wheat Montana bread. I still buy it though.


They have sales on it here and in Miles City. What I buy is Whole Grain White. It is normally $4.13 here in town, last week it was $2.99 and in Miles City it was $1.99.
I stocked up...

Our hunters take it home with them and now they have actually found a place in Washington State where it is available. They have asked me
if it doesn't have preservatives, as it states, why does it keep so well?
I'm really not sure. Any ideas?
 
I Luv Herfrds said:
Biggest complaint I hear is the cost of Wheat Montana bread. I still buy it though.

I like Wheat of Montana-- but like the no additive/preservative chemicals part of the Grains of Montana (and since it comes from local wheat)....

To me just like paying more for "good all natural CAB beef" and getting something that doesn't have to be filled with additives or antibiotics-- its worth the same to get good bread products.......
 
the stuff that goes on sale flies off the shelf.
No idea why it keeps so long but it is good stuff.

Getting some other stuff out of Utah it is not bad but I still like the MT stuff better.
 
Had a funny one yesterday.
There are normally only 2 of us on duty.

Well during our normal 3pm rush the phone started ringing. We had only answered the phone twice due to us being so busy when these people called.
The phone started ringing and just kept ringing. We both had 3 customers in line we were trying to check out. we refused to answer the phone. It just kept ringing though.
I got through my customers and answered the phone. It was some woman wanting the home phone number of one of our co-workers! We do not give out phone numbers.
I told her I did not have the number we are extremely busy right now thank you good bye! and hung up.

I learned several months ago to lock the doors at closing or we would never get out. Yep I locked the door on a customer. He looked at his watch and I showed him mine.
 
Good for you for not answering the phone when you have customers in front of you. I attended a marketing seminar once and that is one of the first things they talked about: 'Employees should never abandon a customer who is inside the store to answer the telephone. You could lose a good sale from a customer who cared to come down to your store over a phone call asking about the price of an item or even merely asking a question.

Since then, it has irked me when the person helping me stops and answers the phone! Poor business!
 
Faster horses said:
Good for you for not answering the phone when you have customers in front of you. I attended a marketing seminar once and that is one of the first things they talked about: 'Employees should never abandon a customer who is inside the store to answer the telephone. You could lose a good sale from a customer who cared to come down to your store over a phone call asking about the price of an item or even merely asking a question.

Since then, it has irked me when the person helping me stops and answers the phone! Poor business!

That is a two-edged sword. If I was running the business, I would want the person at the desk to answer the phone. Yes, the conversation needs to be short and sweet, and it might need to be said to the caller that there is a customer waiting, but the phone should still be answered. The caller might need to know if a certain part is available before traveling many miles to town to get what they need. A customer should have that much patience to understand. If the phone is not answered, the caller might not even know if the business is open that day.
 
There is a guy around here that runs a parts store. If he has anything going on he will not answer the phone. no matter how small of a task he is doing. It gets a little annoying when the phone keeps ringing when you are in the store. But people know the way he is so they will let it ring. It is also annoying when you call him and you get no answer. But the guy knows his stuff, just wish he get someone to answer the phone and at least take messages. But then that would cost money and this guy is so tight if you stick a pin up his rear it'd throw his hips outa joint.
 
Nothing gravels my a$$ any faster than to be at the parts store being waited on and some no-mind calls up, the parts person answers it, and within seconds proceeds to abandon me and look up all the parts the twit on the phone wants!

I have walked out of the parts store more than once (we only have the one) and traveled 20-40 miles to get what I needed out of town. The owner of the parts store corralled me once and asked me why I left him hanging the one day, and I told him the guy on the phone's business seemed to be more important to him than my business was, so I went out of town and got it cheaper. He doesn't answer the phone anymore while waiting on me, but the help still does, and out the door I go. First come, first served. The guy on the phone can call back in a few minutes if it's important.
 
Many times when I call a store, I will ask, "Is this a handy time to talk, or should I call back?" If they want to call me back later, that is fine also. However if the phone just keeps ringing, it is hard to know if anyone is even there.
 

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