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DTN on R-Calf

Yep, we've got the hide-our-heads-in-the-sand victims here. They don't have the wisdom to identify their problems, nor the courage or leadership it takes to address them. Just like a bunch of old biddies, gossiping about their neighbors instead of taking care of their own business.
 
ocm said:
Look at how this discussion has degraded. People talking about the bylaws of R-CALF, offering opinions on them even though they haven't seen them. Erroneous opinions on the position of president a la Robert's Rules of Order. Yet then also asking questions as if they will believe what I say, when I think that is not the case.

DO YOUR RESEARCH PEOPLE. And I should say do your OWN research.

At this point in light of ~SH~'s wise observation that "LIES HAVE SPEED BUT THE TRUTH HAS ENDURANCE!!! " , I will simply sit back and let the lies that have cropped up so fast fade away and let the truth endure. If it takes more than a few weeks I will be surprised.

I may have to go into "bulletin board rehab" to reexamine my penchant for trying to explain things to brick walls. Sandhusker, care to join me?

Yourgoing into HIDING are you? The biggest scource of speculation on this site, old Mr Inside Information. What happened did your scource dry up or resign? Take Sadhusker with you.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
ocm, I think we need to take a sabbatical from conversing with posts.


What, i answered your question now you won't answer mine. You really don't beleive in Fair Trade do you.

1: Why is a trade organization obsessed with ruining Canadian ranchers livelihoods? I don't know of any that are.

2: Why doesn't a country that has had integrated trade with a country for over 100 years think they can become an island all of a sudden? I don't know of any that do.

3: Why did my government give millions to profitable US corporations?
I think we both can ask this question. We both know, those US corporations have you by the nards.

4: Who said i did nothing? That's an assumption. What have you done?
I don't think you've done a dang thing. You've never spoken out against it that I've ever seen, instead you defend it.

5; That's your perception. Do you have the same perception of the USDA? It's reality. You're hiding your head again.

6: What do you mean "what's left" our capacity has increased since BSE.

"our" meaning not US owned?

To test a meaningful amount of beef and do it properly would not be feasible. BSE is not a food safety issue. There are packers who want to test that disagree with you.

7: If you would check we have markets opening to our beef that we are working on to grow.

You dodged. "We" can't do a dang thing without the nod from Tyson/ Cargill. Instead of demanding a divorce from the CCIA and Tyson/USDA, you want R-CALF's financials.

Does it make sense to you to offer at greater expense service to potential bank customers farther away from your branch and ignore the customers that are your historical ones that live close by?

You telling me Asia pays the same?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
ocm said:
Look at how this discussion has degraded. People talking about the bylaws of R-CALF, offering opinions on them even though they haven't seen them. Erroneous opinions on the position of president a la Robert's Rules of Order. Yet then also asking questions as if they will believe what I say, when I think that is not the case.

DO YOUR RESEARCH PEOPLE. And I should say do your OWN research.

At this point in light of ~SH~'s wise observation that "LIES HAVE SPEED BUT THE TRUTH HAS ENDURANCE!!! " , I will simply sit back and let the lies that have cropped up so fast fade away and let the truth endure. If it takes more than a few weeks I will be surprised.

I may have to go into "bulletin board rehab" to reexamine my penchant for trying to explain things to brick walls. Sandhusker, care to join me?

Yourgoing into HIDING are you? The biggest scource of speculation on this site, old Mr Inside Information. What happened did your scource dry up or resign? Take Sadhusker with you.

What do you need ocm for? You've got Tam's sources.
 
1. Why am I obsessed with a foreign trade organization?

Canadians are not obsessed with a Foreign trade organization they are however concerned about what a small and getting smaller mouthy Anti trade US Beef organization that uses lies to destroy consumer confidence in product they produce is saying and doing. Have you ever heard the old saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I read about what R-CALF is up to, as I want to know what they are doing that might destroy my and others way of life. You should try it sometime maybe you would know what is going on in that organization you are defending.

(BUT as of late we are just laughing at the inter-workings of the fast growing Beef organization and the fact their blind followers know so little about what is really going on :wink:)

2. Why is my survival based on one country accepting my product?

Lets see maybe because we are an exporting country and that one country just happens to be our historically largest market. Why are the US congressmen threatening Japan and Korea with trade sanctions? If Japan and Korea were to open it up wide, where would the US get the beef to fill the orders? You don't produce enough to supply your domestic markets so how will you supply a huge export market?


3. Why did my government give millions of my tax dollars to profitable US corporations?

Because they qualified under the pay structure of the knee jerk disaster payment set up to stop the destruction of our industry due to our borders being slammed shut. After the first funds hit the devastated industry and people had time to stop and think about how best to help our industry survive, no other payments were made to the packers that I know of. Can you guarantee the US government wouldn't have made the same mistakes if your industry was hit by thee largest disaster to ever hit your industry and on the verge of destruction? It is easy to arm chair quarterback the situation but it is all together different if you are the quarterback and you are about to get sacked. :roll:

4. Why did I do nothing while our packing industry was sold to foreigners?

What did the US producers do to stop Tyson and Cargil from growing into companies large enough to expand into not just Canada but how many other countries around the World? Most Canadians realize that if it hadn't been for R-CALF prolonging the border closure Tyson and Cargil would not have had the opportunity to expand their power even further in Canada. A lot of US producers realize if it wasn't for R-CALF's prolonged fight on the Border their smaller US plants that relied on Canadian cattle would not have closed and added to Tyson and Cargil's power there. LONG LIVE R-CALF's fight over the border to stop the US multinational packers. :roll:


5. Why can't Canada do anything without the blessing of Tyson/ Cargill?

I think you have Canada confused with the US. :wink: Do you really think Tyson or Cargil gave their blessings to the new safeguards Canada implemented. SRM's were once a source of income to them and now at least in Canada they are an EXPENSE to them. But yet we had their blessing to pass a law forbidding the use of SRMs in all animal feed. :roll: Tell us why is the US industry still feeding Chicken crap? :?

6. Why can't what's left of the Canadian packing industry test for BSE to meet a potential conumser's request?

Maybe because like the US industry our governing agency says no to the testing of healthy animals do to the fact the test is not for food safety and it will be sending a false message to our consumers that the meat is somehow safer because it is tested. And like the US, they based their ruling on the recommendations of the World's recognized experts on BSE that being the OIE.

7. Why isn't "Canada" concentrating on the lucrative Asian markets?

Let's review, Japan opened to The US and Canada in Dec 2005 then in Jan 2006 a short month after reopening their exports the US beef industry sent a lucrative Asian export market a surprise and down came the door to US beef. But the Canadian beef industry concentrated on sending only what the consumer asked for and low and behold the door stayed open to our industry and it is beginning to look like they may open wider. The US may have regained the lucrative South Korean market (more than likely because the two government were negotiating a new FTA) but why is it not one shipment of US beef has been excepted by the Korean inspectors? Maybe what the US industry should be concentrating on is not just opening those lucrative Asian export markets but KEEPING THEM OPEN. :wink:


Now I too have answered all your questions Sandhusker so I think it is time you answer a few!!!

Have you ever seen an audited financial report from the R-CALF CEO, Board of Directors or Financial officer? Does R-CALF even have a Financial officer? Most organizations have a financial report at every meeting and certainly an audited report at the Annual convention. Has R-CALF?

What is the true membership numbers? As I don't buy the way they counted family members was the reason they were out by 3000 members crap . On the web site under "join" nowhere does it say a family price only individual memberships at a cost of $50 a pop. Which means for every $50 there should be one valid membership. Easy way to keep track if you ask me so why were they out by 3000?

Have you looked at the R-CALF web site Profile page to see who's names are not there?

Have you asked yourself Why are they not there when only a week ago they were and no election of officers was held to remove those that are no longer listed?

If you don't answer these question now they will be waiting for you when you, ocm, Haymaker and Oldtimer return from your little sabbatical in the Mountains of Wyoming. :wink:
 
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
If you don't answer these question now they will be waiting for you when you, ocm, Haymaker and Oldtimer return from your little sabbatical in the Mountains of Wyoming. :wink:

HAY MAKER said:
MissTam.jpg

Miss Tam---Talkin out of both ends...............and saying nothing..

This week alone I've received 3 phone calls from US folks on here and cattletoday that were fence riders that have come over to my way of thinking because of yours and a couple other Canucks continuous slamming of the US cattle industry and US cattlemen while whining and crying about wanting to be part of it and get back on the US cattlemens shirttails.....That and the complete ignorance of that Saskartoon fellow that posts on cattletoday.... :roll:

Maybe next year you or saskartoon can beat old ~SH~ from ranchers for the membership recruitment award for R-CALF....LOL actually LMAO.. :lol: :lol:
 
Tam, why not cut thru the BS and try these answers on for size;

Why am I obsessed with a foreign trade organization?
Because I blame them for our problems and confuse their concern with their member's prosperity with designs for my demise.

Why is my survival based on one country accepting my product?
Because Tyson and Cargill, for the most part, ARE Canada and they want to use Canada to supply the US market and there's nothing Canadians can do about it.

Why did my government give millions of my tax dollars to profitable US corporations?
Because they didn't want to upset Tyson and Cargill, as they are the ones who run the beef industry up here.

Why did I do nothing while our packing industry was sold to foreigners?
Because I drank the "North American" beef industry Kool-aid that Tyson and Cargill were serving and think they will take care of our best interests.

Why can't Canada do anything without the blessing of Tyson/ Cargill?
Because they call the shots up here. They even thumb their noses at a Contempt of Parliament charge.

Why can't what's left of the Canadian packing industry test for BSE to meet a potential conumser's request?
Because Tyson and Cargill don't want to test, and if they won't want it they don't want anybody else to do it - and they call the shots.

Why isn't "Canada" concentrating on the lucrative Asian markets?
Because there really is no "Canada", only Tyson and Cargill, and they make more money sending our beef/cattle to the US.
 
Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
If you don't answer these question now they will be waiting for you when you, ocm, Haymaker and Oldtimer return from your little sabbatical in the Mountains of Wyoming. :wink:

HAY MAKER said:
MissTam.jpg

Miss Tam---Talkin out of both ends...............and saying nothing..

This week alone I've received 3 phone calls from US folks on here and cattletoday that were fence riders that have come over to my way of thinking because of yours and a couple other Canucks continuous slamming of the US cattle industry and US cattlemen while whining and crying about wanting to be part of it and get back on the US cattlemens shirttails.....That and the complete ignorance of that Saskartoon fellow that posts on cattletoday.... :roll:

Maybe next year you or saskartoon can beat old ~SH~ from ranchers for the membership recruitment award for R-CALF....LOL actually LMAO.. :lol: :lol:


Sounds like that if you get 2997 more calls you will be back to square one :wink:
 
Sandhusker said:
Tam, why not cut thru the BS and try these answers on for size;

Why am I obsessed with a foreign trade organization?
Because I blame them for our problems and confuse their concern with their member's prosperity with designs for my demise.

Why is my survival based on one country accepting my product?
Because Tyson and Cargill, for the most part, ARE Canada and they want to use Canada to supply the US market and there's nothing Canadians can do about it.

Why did my government give millions of my tax dollars to profitable US corporations?
Because they didn't want to upset Tyson and Cargill, as they are the ones who run the beef industry up here.

Why did I do nothing while our packing industry was sold to foreigners?
Because I drank the "North American" beef industry Kool-aid that Tyson and Cargill were serving and think they will take care of our best interests.

Why can't Canada do anything without the blessing of Tyson/ Cargill?
Because they call the shots up here. They even thumb their noses at a Contempt of Parliament charge.

Why can't what's left of the Canadian packing industry test for BSE to meet a potential conumser's request?
Because Tyson and Cargill don't want to test, and if they won't want it they don't want anybody else to do it - and they call the shots.

Why isn't "Canada" concentrating on the lucrative Asian markets?
Because there really is no "Canada", only Tyson and Cargill, and they make more money sending our beef/cattle to the US.

Jeez ole stuck record Sadhusker is having to fall back to diversion and the old blamer and whiner arguments to take attention off the Billings meltdown!! What's the matter.......won't Bullard come out of hiding to give you some new propaganda??
 
Yep, and Cowsense is another Canadian who would rather flab their lips and babble on about a foreign trade organization instead of working to address the problems at home.
 
Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
If you don't answer these question now they will be waiting for you when you, ocm, Haymaker and Oldtimer return from your little sabbatical in the Mountains of Wyoming. :wink:


This week alone I've received 3 phone calls from US folks on here and cattletoday that were fence riders that have come over to my way of thinking because of yours and a couple other Canucks continuous slamming of the US cattle industry and US cattlemen while whining and crying about wanting to be part of it and get back on the US cattlemens shirttails.....That and the complete ignorance of that Saskartoon fellow that posts on cattletoday.... :roll:

Maybe next year you or saskartoon can beat old ~SH~ from ranchers for the membership recruitment award for R-CALF....LOL actually LMAO.. :lol: :lol:

Gee Oldtimer once you said that you felt R-CALF agreed with what you had thought for years.
Now what part of R-CALF believe as you did. Bullard and Thornsberry the inmates that took charge of the asylum or the members that bailed Leo, Dennis, Jon, Chuck, Brett, Doug, Ken, Danni, Jane, Dr. Bowman, Judie, Jay, Leeza, Lee, Chris, Kimmi, Matt, and Jamie to name a few. From what I see the three you recuited due to something I might have said won't even cover the Montana Board Directors that left this week. :wink: :lol: Tell us Oldtimer if Brett DeBruycker bailed with the others do you think Lloyd DeBruycker will donating another $10,000+ to the R-CALF coffers to cover legal expenses. :? Donate you whole herd Deputy Dicky, Bullard is going to need it to cover the short fall in those R-CALF books. :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW you should know by now that when you pull out your tired old dried up Shirttail comment you are showing everyone that the knot on the end of the rope you are hanging on is pinching. :lol: :lol:
 
Sandhusker said:
Yep, and Cowsense is another Canadian who would rather flab their lips and babble on about a foreign trade organization instead of working to address the problems at home.

Gee here I thought if I answered your questions you would be a MAN and answer mine. But I guess the buuurrrrnnnn you took from not knowing what is going on in the organization you are paying membership dues to while defending their every lie was just to much for you to handle. Go ahead Sandhusker take that sabbatical, take a few weeks to lick your wounds you have it coming. :wink: But when the membership gets the whole picture as ocm says you will SOMEDAY please come back and prove Dittmer wrong.
 
Tam- you should be proud- all of the folks that called mentioned that Canadian Tam that hates Americans and the US so bad...They were all surprised to discover that you're a former American that left your country...Besides one fella calling for treason charges and terrorism investigations on you- the general concensus was If she doesn't like the US well enough to live here anymore then what gives her the right to slam the US like she does or have any say in what US cattlemen or the US government does.....

But anyway- thanks for the R-CALF recruiting- and thanks for the chance to get to meet 3 fine folks from around the country that I probably never would have got the chance to talk to elseways....
 
mwj said:
Oldtimer said:

This week alone I've received 3 phone calls from US folks on here and cattletoday that were fence riders that have come over to my way of thinking because of yours and a couple other Canucks continuous slamming of the US cattle industry and US cattlemen while whining and crying about wanting to be part of it and get back on the US cattlemens shirttails.....That and the complete ignorance of that Saskartoon fellow that posts on cattletoday.... :roll:

Maybe next year you or saskartoon can beat old ~SH~ from ranchers for the membership recruitment award for R-CALF....LOL actually LMAO.. :lol: :lol:


Sounds like that if you get 2997 more calls you will be back to square one :wink:

:lol: :lol: :clap: :clap:

That says it all.

Sadhusker, Oldtimer and Haymaker.......oops let's not forget ocm!!!!!
Are busy beating the cattle chat sites trying to deflect what is happening to their R-Gods and they don't know how many members they really have, where the finances are at or EVEN HOW MANY DIRECTORS THEY HAVE OR WHO THEY ARE!!!!!!!! All of this tright after their National Love In!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:help: :help: :help: pretty much covers it! :wink:
 
Oldtimer said:
Tam- you should be proud- all of the folks that called mentioned that Canadian Tam that hates Americans and the US so bad...They were all surprised to discover that you're a former American that left your country...Besides one fella calling for treason charges and terrorism investigations on you- the general concensus was If she doesn't like the US well enough to live here anymore then what gives her the right to slam the US like she does or have any say in what US cattlemen or the US government does.....

But anyway- thanks for the R-CALF recruiting- and thanks for the chance to get to meet 3 fine folks from around the country that I probably never would have got the chance to talk to elseways....

Oldtimer, you are showing just how desperate you really are. Telling people I hate my native country to recruit R-CALF members, how pathetic. :roll: Relish in the fact you recruited three new members because of me and my OPINIONS it might just ease the pain of loosing 3000 plus half the R-CALF board. :shock: :wink: :lol: Want to take a wild guess at how many more memberships will disappear when the membership finds out that Bill has run Leo and Chuck off over a letter that was filled with rude inaccurate comments to the Secretary of Agriculture ?
 

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