VB RANCH
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ethanol policy
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mwj
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There is no right for low cost feed! The corn farmers provided low cost corn for years and made little profit or went out of business. Now the shoe is on a different foot.
3 M L & C
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Why is it that none of these articles talk about the distillers products that come from the ethonal plants that are used as feed?
leanin' H
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Only in America do we burn as a highly innefficient fuel a food source for humans and animals! :???: :roll: Make ethanol out'a switchgrass if you think you need it but leave corn alone. Although the lobby groups from Iowa might disagree! :shock: :lol: :lol:
Larrry
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Let the free market rule. Let the cowman sell his beef to the highest bidder. Let the corn farmer sell his corn to the highest bidder. Let the distillers sell their products(ethanol and distillers grain) to the highest bidder. Why pit the cowman against the corn farmer. Why does agriculture think they need to make one segment suffer so they can make a buck.
Let the free market rule
Let the free market rule
burnt
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Larrry said:
It works that way until the government subsidizes one of the bidders and not the others. So there goes the "free market"!
I always hate when the government uses my tax dollars to subsidize one of my competitors.
nortexsook
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burnt said:
Exactly. When the government by fiat mandates that a certain percentage of our fuel contain ethanol the "free market" concept is out the window.
It's a joke and it will end bad......
Larrry
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That's what I said, let the free market work. Not the government's market.
Another thing that was mentioned and often overlooked is the byproducts of ethanol production as in the distillers grain. This works in good in the fact that their is a worldwide protein shortage and it would help fill that gap.
The biggest thing I hate is though that if they tell the corn farmer who they can sell their product to, then who is next for them to tell who they can and can't sell to.
Another thing that was mentioned and often overlooked is the byproducts of ethanol production as in the distillers grain. This works in good in the fact that their is a worldwide protein shortage and it would help fill that gap.
The biggest thing I hate is though that if they tell the corn farmer who they can sell their product to, then who is next for them to tell who they can and can't sell to.
Faster horses
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Larrry said:
Classic example: the dairy buy-out of long ago. Ruined the beef market
for awhile. So many that had dairies then, still have them...but it sure
worked in their favor.
3 M L & C
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If you want to argue the gov mandate's, that is one thing. But saying that ethonal is the reason that corn is high priced is just plain dumb. I believe a lot of feedlots would pay more for the distillers products than they would for corn. When it gets to their yard its ready for use no grinding flaking or cracking needed. Also lets them use a variety of less than steller feed products and still get good gains.
leanin' H
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Lets try doing some math shall we? Each kernel of corn that gets made into ethanol is one LESS kernel to be made into corn flakes or ration for calves. LESS corn equals HIGHER demand. Still with me? Distillers products are a great feed, IF you happen to live near a plant. But even if you live across the street from said ethanol facility, they are still taking corn off the market to make FUEL out of FOOD! Which means higher prices. I applaud corn farmers for getting all they can for thier corn. :clap: But to think you can throw an ethanol rock into a pond called agriculture and not have ripples effect folks is pretty naive. Lets EAT the corn and make ethanol out of non-edible products. Just my opinion, which is never wrong! :lol: :lol: :lol: Might be dumb, but i am not wrong. :wink:
Faster horses
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leanin' H said:
Glenn Beck has said more than once something about, "When a nation starts burning food for fuel, they are on the downhill slope."
3 M L & C
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leanin' H said:
Your rational about beeing close to an ethonal plant is a bit wack, the plants are where the corn is to begin with. The distillers product that come out of the plant are also taking the spot of each kernel of corn that was being fed in a feedlot before. You make it sound like the corn that goes to these plants could just be made in to flakes for your cereal. There has been basicly zero food grade corn grown around here my whole life, everything is grown for the feedlots. Don't know about elsewhere though. Also by feeding the wet cake feedlots are using crp bales corn stover bales wheat straw bales, about anything that can be put in a bale grinding it up and mixing with the distillers. This was pretty much unheard of around here until a plant came in. A lot of cow operations use the wet cake in the winter to, it helps the cows eat less than optimal hay otherwise. I don't dissagree that we might should be making ethonal out of grass's and such, but where do you think that stuff will be grown. In the fields that grow corn now that's where. Next year when there is 100 million acres of corn planted like predicted and the price goes down 3 dollars these type articles will be few and far between. I can remember not that long ago selling corn to the feedlot for less than 2.50 a bushel. I'll we heard about then was how it was the most money feedlot's made in a long time. Another point about the government in this. They are in everything, not that I am in favor of it, but that's just the fact. If i'm not mistaken they have a law about packers and restricting their ownership of cattle. Is this not right?
mwj
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With the school lunch program and food stamps,the beef segment gains a fair bit of government money.
If ethanol was the only bidder in the corn market they would set the price and it would be a lot lower!
If ethanol was the only bidder in the corn market they would set the price and it would be a lot lower!
This is the same age old fight that has been going on since they were bringing cattle up out of Texas 150 years ago. The farmer against the cattle man. If we were totally honest, we HAVE to have each other.
No, I don't think the government should be able to mandate what we burn for fuel, but that goes back at least 40 years, to when they had to start pulling the lead out of gas.
I know 60 plus years ago, there was a guy in Kansas, that had developed a carburetor, that would allow your vehicle to get 60 MPG!! Between the government, and auto industry, they bought up the patent, and if the story is true, killed of the gentlemen that designed it.
That being said, I am glad that the corn farmers are making lots of money. There are alot of them, that while they may not be feeding cattle on there own, are dumping LOTS of money into buying feeders, and having them custom fed.
They just kinda screw up my trying to buy cheap land around here.
No, I don't think the government should be able to mandate what we burn for fuel, but that goes back at least 40 years, to when they had to start pulling the lead out of gas.
I know 60 plus years ago, there was a guy in Kansas, that had developed a carburetor, that would allow your vehicle to get 60 MPG!! Between the government, and auto industry, they bought up the patent, and if the story is true, killed of the gentlemen that designed it.
That being said, I am glad that the corn farmers are making lots of money. There are alot of them, that while they may not be feeding cattle on there own, are dumping LOTS of money into buying feeders, and having them custom fed.
They just kinda screw up my trying to buy cheap land around here.
Larrry
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3 M L & C said:
Well said
How many gals of ethanol were burned, now replace that with crude and what would that have done to fuel prices and your cost of doing business. Not to mention the price of good you buy. We could always drill like crazy now why didn't somone think of that instead of restricting drilling.
If you look at it realistically and factor in the drought you can see what the big factor in corn prices are, not ethanol.
Free markets.
nortexsook
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Can't argue with idiots is a good saying....
3 M L & C
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nortexsook said:
Are you telling me that none of my points are valled? I understand why some don't like ethonal, and I can't say I blame them I guess. But saying that ethonal is the only reason corn is high is just plain ignorence. They were making just as much ethonal a few years ago when corn was less than 4 dollars. Maybe South America having a bad corn crop last year and the huge drought this year here has a bit to do with it ya think?
leanin' H
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3 M L & C said:
I never said ethanol was the ONLY reason corn is high! But it sure as hell is ONE of the reasons corn is high.
You have a lot of valled points and we probably would agree 99% of the time. But the entire ethanol fiasco is one of the biggest crocks of crap ever. It takes more energy to produce ethanol than you get when your done. It isnt too good on machinery. It was mandated by politicians who wanted votes from the corn belt. And in my opinion, we dont need it! But i dont know much :wink:katrina
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Being one of those corn farmers, my two cents is that untill you grow corn, dry land or irrigated the facts are that it takes a ton of money.... fertilizer, whitch is tied to oil, seed corn, and the equipment to do it ties up alot of dollars... We won't even venter into the irrigated.... That's a whole other can of worms... And yes we have made biofuel with our sunflowers, so we can kinda see the whole formula.... Ethenol/ biofuels are a good thing.... But what so wonderful about this country is if you don't want to burn it... Don't...
By the way our corn made 35 bushel an acre..... Pencil that one out....
By the way our corn made 35 bushel an acre..... Pencil that one out....