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Feeding Frosted Alfalfa

burnt

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I have been cutting 3rd cut alfalfa with a bit of grass in it and immediately baling it to feed green. Just enough for 2 -3 days at a time or it gets hot and spoils.

What I need to know is if I can still do that today since we had a heavy frost last night, or if I will kill cattle feeding it so soon after a frost. Does cutting it change the process and effects?

We had two dead calves a couple of weeks ago because they got into the alfalfa right after a frost and bloated. They were a couple of the earliest born calves . . . . Don't need any more of that.
 
If I remember correctly, a frost is what you want on alfalfa so you can turn out on it without bloating. There are "bloat blocks" that are put out with the cattle to prevent that problem.
 
dejavu - according to this article, your information is incorrect. What the information does not tell me is whether it is O.K. to cut and feed the frosted alfalfa/grass mixture. The cell damage is not reversed by cutting, but the plant's physiology is changed when it it cut. But I don't know if the risk is reduced or eliminated by cutting.

What Is a Killing Frost? How Cold Does It Have to Get to Stop Corn and Soybeans?

Published: Sep 28, 2009
. . . That's the answer given by Brian Lang, Iowa State University Extension field agronomist at Decorah in northeast Iowa . . .

He says alfalfa usually requires 24 degrees F to completely kill its topgrowth. Temperatures above 24 degrees F will cause visible damage, but the plant will continue to grow using the remaining leaf area. The main reason not to harvest alfalfa after a light frost is that the harvest would remove all of the leaf area, and the plant's continued development until a true killing frost and plant dormancy would be entirely at the expense of root reserves.

When should you time the final cutting of alfalfa?

"To optimize plant development and its over-wintering ability, you should allow the plant to grow until a killing frost hits or until mid-October; whichever comes first," says Lang. "If no killing frost occurs by mid-October and a harvest is desired, harvest the forage. The short daylengths and cold autumn temperatures of mid- to late October will minimize the use of root reserves prior to the soon-to-come killing frost."

There is an old, persistent false-hood that you often hear, that alfalfa becomes toxic following a frost. "Alfalfa does not contain any 'toxic' compounds that arise from exposure to frost," says Lang. "However, alfalfa can cause bloat, and immediately after a frost alfalfa's bloat potential is higher than normal."

An over-simplified and very brief explanation for this is: Bloat is largely caused by a rapid release of soluble proteins into the rumen. Alfalfa has considerable amounts of soluble proteins. As cattle eat alfalfa, their chewing action breaks up plant cells and slowly releases the soluble proteins into the rumen. If the cattle eat recently frosted alfalfa, they eat already-broken cells from the frost which rapidly releases soluble proteins (not a slow release), which increases the chance of bloat. Once the frosted parts of the plant dry, alfalfa's bloat potential is back to normal.

Beware with sudangrass, sorghum-sudan to avoid prussic acid

Sudangrass and sorghum-sudan hybrids require 28 degrees F for a killing frost, says Lang. However, he points out that even a "light" frost requires special management. He offers the following explanation and recommendations.

Prussic acid accumulates in the frosted tissue of these plants within a few hours after thawing and wilting. A "light" frost may damage just the tops of plants. If this occurs, you should delay grazing or harvest—delay it by a few days after frost to allow the prussic acid to dissipate from the plant tops. Livestock can be returned to frost-injured sudangrass (18 inches or taller) and sorghum-sudan (28 inches or taller) after 5 to 7 days.

Sometimes a "light" frost enhances development of young shoots from the base of the plants. If this occurs, delay sending livestock to graze this forage since these new shoots would be high in prussic acid. Ideally, wait for the new shoots to get to a proper grazing height, but more than likely a complete killing frost will occur before that would happen. Once a complete killing frost occurs, wait at least 10 days (wait until the frosted tissue is drying out) before grazing or harvest.

If haying the forage, the curing process decreases the prussic acid content as much as 75%, which removes the feeding concern. If green-chopping the forage, chop only as much forage as the cattle will consume in 4 to 5 hours. Never green-chop the forage and let it sit on the wagon overnight. If ensiling, harvest at proper moisture for your storage structure to ensure good fermentation. This takes a minimum of 4 weeks. The fermentation process will reduce the prussic acid content. Since immature plants can contain higher prussic acid levels, leave this forage ferment for at least 8 weeks before feeding. Never allow horses to graze sorghums or sudangrass at any time.

For entire article go to:

http://www.wallacesfarmer.com/story.aspx?s=31862
 
We rarely grazed alfalfa. But, I remember it was only after a hard frost/freeze. I would consult my veterinarian for the information you are looking for.
 
Burnt......got a newsletter from the Angus Assoc this evening and it discusses
alfalfa after a frost. Do you get that news letter?
 
Nope, I don't get it.

But we are feeding the baled alfalfa without incident. I just made sure they were full of dry hay before we put it in the feeders.

It starts to heat about 18 hours after baling so it needs to be fed up before the 3rd day or it gets pretty soggy and hot but the cows don't seem to mind.

What did the newsletter have to say?
 
Livestock producers should be cautious when grazing cattle on crops in the sorghum family immediately following a frost, says Dave Fischer, University of Illinois Ext dairy educator. "Sudan grass, sorghum-sudan grass hybrids and grain/forage sorghum are members of the sorghum family and after a frost will produce a glucoside called dhurrin that breaks down to release a toxin called prussic asid. Intake of high levels may be lethal to cattle. Clinical sign of prussic acid poisoning include rapid pullse, labored breathing and eventual suffocation. Livestock producers should move cattle away from grazing these forages for several days following a frost. If the crop was saafe to graze prior to frost it will again be safe to graze 3-5 days following the frost. Sudan grass should be greater than 18" tall or sorghum greater than 24" before it is safe to graze under any conditions. Baling or ensiling Sudan grass, sorghum-sudan hybrids and grain sorghum immediately following or shortly after a frost is safe because the prussic acid will breakdown and dissipate during the harvesting process. But wait 7-10 days after harvesting those crops to make hay or silage and allow the feed to cure or ferment in the silo or bale 2-3 weeks before feeding,Fischer said.
Grazing alfalfa, clover and other perennial forages are not a concern following a frost because they do not produce toxins and can be grazed or baled and fed to livestock even after a frost. The only caution will perhaps be a slight chance for ruminants to bloat if grazing pure legume pastures and should be offered other feedstuffs to avoid overeating the succulent pasture. Harvesting alfalfa after a killing frost is acceptable only when the plant is going into dormancy. If the plants are harvested pre-dormancy and regrowth occurs 1-2 weeks before going dormant, significant plant damage can occur during overwintering due to reduced food reserves in the plant to survive the cold temps. If forage is not needed, it is advisable to leave the crop uncut through winter.
 
Thank you. That is useful info. Now I'm wondering if I cut it too early. Although I doubt that we will get much growing weather anymore this fall with having had a few hard frosts now.
 
The first frost of the fall season typically brings questions from livestock producers about whether or not it's safe to hay or graze frosted alfalfa, notes Steve Barnhart, Iowa State University extension forage specialist. His response: "Frost-injured alfalfa, clovers and the commonly used perennial cool-season forage grasses do not have the potential to form hydrodynamic acid, are not considered toxic and can be safely grazed or harvested for hay or silage following a frost. There is probably a slightly higher bloat risk for grazed alfalfa and white clover the first few days after a frost. Follow normal bloat-preventing grazing management when grazing alfalfa and clover."
 
gcreekrch said:
burnt said:
We have been cutting it and feeding it for about a week now with no ill effects.

Why aren't you just letting the cows harvest this crop? It would cost a lot less.

I know, I know, I know!!! It drives me around the bend to know how much unnecessary work I'm doing.

The problem is that I need to clear 200 rods of brush off of the property line so I can build a new fence. I bought the wire last fall and intended to do it but winter set in way too early.

Then this year, we were pretty busy with the barn building project. I still hope to get it done this fall because there is a bit of a gravel/sand hill on that side of the farm, and that is where I want to winter the cows if they are still here come winter.

But I would still be pretty leery about grazing them on it since we lost a couple of calves due to bloat a few weeks ago. By cutting and feeding it in a controlled manner, I think I am eliminating the bloat risk and that is definitely worth something.
 
We'll be bringing our cows home from the river pasture in the next week or 2, and putting them onto standing volunteer canola. We seeded new pasture, and the canola came in thick as hair on a dog. Lots of volunteer wheat/barley and misc stuff too. I think we can get quite a bit of grazing off of it, which will help alot to stretch things out.

Calf prices are so terrible right now, and dropping by the week, I can't see us wanting to sell ours when they're big enough to wean in early December. If we can keep them on the cows and graze into the New Year before we go on our swath grazing, we may be able to keep them until spring. Of course spring is no guarantee of better news in the markets either. But hey, let's look at the bright side, I'm working at the auction and eating a cinammon bun. That's about as bright as I can think of right now.
 
piece of Flapper pie thrown in too? sorry to hear your news PC, seems anyone I talk to up there says the same as you, :(
 
Burnt I know we live in different climates and you have a fence issue but here is a pic of a yearling on frosty alfalfa. She is definitely full but has been here for a month with no ill effects.
Alfalfa_Grazing_004.jpg
 

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