Big Muddy rancher
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Do you see such animosity between hunters and land owners in your area?
For everyone NOT from South Dakota.
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Nope...Hunting is big business in our area- making up a good portion of the economy.....Not only for landowners-many of which have opened up guiding and outfitting services, or leased their land to outfitters, or get paid thru the state for allowing open hunting- but also main street business's like the bars, cafes, motels, boat rentals, gas, etc....Folks that can afford $1000's of dollars in hunting licenses can usually afford to drop lots into the community too....
gcreekrch
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Hunters are like anyone else, some good/some bad. In 1979 we had 3 guys from Vancouver show up and camp on our gate. Oct 2007 was their 28th year straight that they have come. They didn't even draw a moose tag last year, they came up to put new siding on my house!! 
We've had the "other kind" show up too but they don't stay long when they find there are no roads and they actually have to hunt to be successful. Most are courteous and conscientious.
We've had the "other kind" show up too but they don't stay long when they find there are no roads and they actually have to hunt to be successful. Most are courteous and conscientious.per
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We are not allowed to charge to hunt in Alberta. Most of our hunters here are courteous and generous. The gifts that they bring by way of thanks are almost embarrassing. We have town kids come out regularly to practice on gophers, bird doggers year round to practice for bird season. Even a falconer (very cool) comes fairly regularly. We reserve our best areas in the foothills for the serious hunters and leave the flatland to the town kids. I'm glad were not in SD.
mwj
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We have some of the best trophy whitetail and turkey hunting in the US. Sportsmen and women from all over the country come to hunt and outfitters pay good money to lease these prime acres. We probably have more problems with guides than the hunters but it is not bad at all. They bring a lot of money and nice people to our state. The vast majoraty of hunters are good people and police there selves more than the wardens do. Just like everywhere there are a very few mouthy illmanered ones that complain that they never have a place to hunt :shock:
Sportsmen and women from all over the country come to hunt and outfitters pay good money to lease these prime acres. We probably have more problems with guides than the hunters but it is not bad at all. They bring a lot of money and nice people to our state. The vast majoraty of hunters are good people and police there selves more than the wardens do. Just like everywhere there are a very few mouthy illmanered ones that complain that they never have a place to hunt :shock:Northern Rancher
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per what are the laws governing falconery-I got a book from the library on it one time and it sure sounded like an interesting sport-very ancient in it's origin. we have hunters come ouyt fromB.C and quebec every year to hunt with Ty and me-it's a pretty fun time for sure. were pretty tough on guys who miss lol. ty and I hunt mule deer in different areas of southern sask.-we usually have no trouble at all getting permission to go in and hunt on foot. I gave our host a saskatchewan roughRiders grey Cup bottle of rye-guess you Albertans don't have that option lol. Ty is tradiong a bear hunt with a young guy from Alberta whose going to hunter host us for mule deer should be fun.
Red Robin
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:shock: Seriously?per said:
SHAWN
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I have hunted in 3 canadian provs. and 7 states in the U.S., Guide hunters in Alaska for my occupation. I have not seen anything like it before, To be honest with you if some of the comments posted by the so called hunters in that pissing match were viewed by real hunters, 90% of them would have some choice words for them. Shawn
per
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NR I don't have the foggiest idea of the falconing rules. All I know is watching this fella and his bird is something to behold. His biggest worry is that he is in a large enough field that if his falcon is diving after some prey it doesn't hit a fence.
nenmrancher
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Here it depends, the paying hunters are usually pretty good to work with, but the public draw hunters are usually a 50/50 split of good folks and jerks that think the ranchers are getting rich of their wildlife.
Northern Rancher
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per I bet it is-we have hawks nesting in our pasture all the time it would be neat to capture one-probably highly illegal too.
jodywy
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Most ask permission. My biggest problem is floaters on the river. In Wyoming you can only get out of your boat to go over, under or around and obstruction. Pulse you can not be fish when you do so. Have allotted of fishermen beach boats and walk. We just turn them in for trespass.
Have had fishermen trespassing with dogs. Tell them we have guard dogs with the sheep and snares and traps in other pastures.... boy they leave fast.
Have had fishermen trespassing with dogs. Tell them we have guard dogs with the sheep and snares and traps in other pastures.... boy they leave fast.
Triangle Bar
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BMR I don't see any animosity with hunters and landowners in my area. As long as the hunters remember this rule: Ask First to Hunt on private land.
I've even had some hunters ask permission to hunt on my BLM Allotment. There' no need for them to do this since its public land, but it just shows how conscientious some hunters are.
All the Best.
I've even had some hunters ask permission to hunt on my BLM Allotment. There' no need for them to do this since its public land, but it just shows how conscientious some hunters are.
All the Best.
jodywy
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Most ask permission. My biggest problem is floaters on the river. In Wyoming you can only get out of your boat to go over, under or around and obstruction. Pulse you can not be fish when you do so. Have allotted of fishermen beach boats and walk. We just turn them in for trespass.
Have had fishermen trespassing with dogs. Tell them we have guard dogs with the sheep and snares and traps in other pastures.... boy they leave fast.
Oh you can't wade, there no high water marks in Wyoming the land owner owns the bottom of the River
One Summer I had an over head swing gate, I spent over 30 hours rebuilding the fence across the river and on horse back sorting yearling and bulls from the neighbor. Till I put some cable up a guy gave me that can only cut with a torch. It takes the teeth of a hack saw blade and a cable cutter will not make a dent in it.
Have had fishermen trespassing with dogs. Tell them we have guard dogs with the sheep and snares and traps in other pastures.... boy they leave fast.
Oh you can't wade, there no high water marks in Wyoming the land owner owns the bottom of the River
One Summer I had an over head swing gate, I spent over 30 hours rebuilding the fence across the river and on horse back sorting yearling and bulls from the neighbor. Till I put some cable up a guy gave me that can only cut with a torch. It takes the teeth of a hack saw blade and a cable cutter will not make a dent in it.
Happy go lucky
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In other states landowner hunters get along fine and dandy you build great long lasting relationships, what you have in SD and these are my thoughts only from the outside, is you have a division at the river seperating the state, you have the hunters who for the most part have little problems with their game dept and you have a small vocal minority of landowners that don't like the Game dept one bit, so you devide the 2 groups and the game dept is stuck in the middle of this mess. Trying to keep both sides happy and I may add again from the outside looking in given the circumstances does a pretty good job!
If the vocal minority would be able to work with and not name bash and create things, the game dept and the hunters who stand by them for the most part would have a better relationship. You can see it in many other areas of that state where it works more like the other states just a few areas with a vocal minority who like to keep the pot stirred for what ever reason IMHO bordum.
If the vocal minority would be able to work with and not name bash and create things, the game dept and the hunters who stand by them for the most part would have a better relationship. You can see it in many other areas of that state where it works more like the other states just a few areas with a vocal minority who like to keep the pot stirred for what ever reason IMHO bordum.
Doug Thorson
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I was going to stay out of this because of the title but I have to respond to Happy.
I have been a lifetime member of the North American Hunting Club for pushing 20 years. I was at the meeting that formed the Black Hills Chapter of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. When they stated their goals it was to buy land away from the private sector for habitat so as to establish a herd large enough to spread throughout western SD. Their vision was and still is an elk hunting season in all western counties. I stated that instead of buying a small parcell of land they should work with numerous landowners and if the elk weren't any more of a problem than they stated the landowners would welcome them and the chance to either shoot one themselves or guide/sell permits/lease hunting rights etc. The response I got was " we can't do that because landowners are @ss&@les but they are just going to have to learn to live with wildlife" I passed that off as a Rapid City guy that just didn't understand. I graduated from Vo-Tech before the next meeting so I wasn't back.
Next I went to the Ducks Unlimited Banquet. I expressed concern over DU's involvement with the Nature Conservatory and the anti landowner slant to their messages. The response I got was "We just send our money in and the national organization does with it what they want"
Because of that conversation I was at an organizational meeting for a Pheasants Forever chapter. I stated that if Pheasants Forever would come out against road hunting I would have open hunting to anyone who could show a Pheasants Forever membership card. I am certain other landowners would have followed suit. The response I got was "That's crazy. Roadhunting is huge in SD. There is no way we could get rid of it even if we wanted to. It is bigger than any one organization."
Three times I gave sportsmen a chance to side with the landowner and build a few bridges and every time I was treated like a mushroom.
Add the fact that the Governor and the Secretary of GF&P were on an illegal elk hunt and violated the Lacey Act a few years back, there have been numerous witch hunts against SD citizens who would dare to try to protect their feed pile or livestock or maybe make a dollar on the side off of wildlife and now you have the situation where SD wonders why landowners and GF&P are at odds. GF&P can own all the wildlife. They can't own all the land. "Sportsmen" have s#!t in their own nest and wonder why it stinks. SD was the last place in the nation where almost anyone could hunt free on private land. We will be the first with no hunting on private land without fee.
I have been a lifetime member of the North American Hunting Club for pushing 20 years. I was at the meeting that formed the Black Hills Chapter of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. When they stated their goals it was to buy land away from the private sector for habitat so as to establish a herd large enough to spread throughout western SD. Their vision was and still is an elk hunting season in all western counties. I stated that instead of buying a small parcell of land they should work with numerous landowners and if the elk weren't any more of a problem than they stated the landowners would welcome them and the chance to either shoot one themselves or guide/sell permits/lease hunting rights etc. The response I got was " we can't do that because landowners are @ss&@les but they are just going to have to learn to live with wildlife" I passed that off as a Rapid City guy that just didn't understand. I graduated from Vo-Tech before the next meeting so I wasn't back.
Next I went to the Ducks Unlimited Banquet. I expressed concern over DU's involvement with the Nature Conservatory and the anti landowner slant to their messages. The response I got was "We just send our money in and the national organization does with it what they want"
Because of that conversation I was at an organizational meeting for a Pheasants Forever chapter. I stated that if Pheasants Forever would come out against road hunting I would have open hunting to anyone who could show a Pheasants Forever membership card. I am certain other landowners would have followed suit. The response I got was "That's crazy. Roadhunting is huge in SD. There is no way we could get rid of it even if we wanted to. It is bigger than any one organization."
Three times I gave sportsmen a chance to side with the landowner and build a few bridges and every time I was treated like a mushroom.
Add the fact that the Governor and the Secretary of GF&P were on an illegal elk hunt and violated the Lacey Act a few years back, there have been numerous witch hunts against SD citizens who would dare to try to protect their feed pile or livestock or maybe make a dollar on the side off of wildlife and now you have the situation where SD wonders why landowners and GF&P are at odds. GF&P can own all the wildlife. They can't own all the land. "Sportsmen" have s#!t in their own nest and wonder why it stinks. SD was the last place in the nation where almost anyone could hunt free on private land. We will be the first with no hunting on private land without fee.
Happy go lucky
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Doug 3 times you gave sportsman a chance to do themselves in and go to pay to hunt and you think the sportsman are to blame? LMAO! You want elk but if they become a problem you want sportsmans dollars to help fix it, yet they can't hunt unless they pay you, or if you get to many then you want state help off of the backs of sportsman?
What was the DU talk of being anti landowner? They have many programs suited for wetland habitat and cost hsaring yet many don't want to give up the gold of the crops! That is anti landowner? tell me how please? I am not the biggest fan of DU, myself I like delta waterfowl much better as they are not fence riders so your comment from DU strikes me as odd, they ussaly will tell each side what "THEY" want to hear instead of the truth.
Wrong again Doug, there are many places East of you that have good pheasant numbers, they don;t charge at most they reserve opener for close friends/family after that I have zero problem finding places to hunt pheasants for free when I feel like going to shoot some birds in the country! SD has been into pay to hunt for pheasants for along time and will continue to be so, until the time comes that the dollars wanted and income made make less and less sense to those traveling to SD. Try Texas Doug you will have a hard time finding a place to hunt anything except coyotes and feral hogs for free, as they cause dollar damage and those species can't/won't garner the high prices paid for deer,turkey and exoctics down there.
You don't want road hunting so then all can pay to hunt or hammer the crap out of the limited public areas of your state in the highest amount of pheasant country, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look on your states web site and see in the majority of phesant habitat you have the least amount of public hunting! Yet you and the neighbors who have been charging 150.00 a day per hunter are willing to give up the fees as long as there is no road hunting allowed? You really want the sportsman to buy into that? Once signed into law it would be very tough to over turn and then you have nothing but paid to hunt guranteed! Sportsman are not all dumb Doug.
The almighty dollar get's in the way of a tradition that was and still is in some areas something other than a $$$$ on the heads of wildlife.
What was the DU talk of being anti landowner? They have many programs suited for wetland habitat and cost hsaring yet many don't want to give up the gold of the crops! That is anti landowner? tell me how please? I am not the biggest fan of DU, myself I like delta waterfowl much better as they are not fence riders so your comment from DU strikes me as odd, they ussaly will tell each side what "THEY" want to hear instead of the truth.
Wrong again Doug, there are many places East of you that have good pheasant numbers, they don;t charge at most they reserve opener for close friends/family after that I have zero problem finding places to hunt pheasants for free when I feel like going to shoot some birds in the country! SD has been into pay to hunt for pheasants for along time and will continue to be so, until the time comes that the dollars wanted and income made make less and less sense to those traveling to SD. Try Texas Doug you will have a hard time finding a place to hunt anything except coyotes and feral hogs for free, as they cause dollar damage and those species can't/won't garner the high prices paid for deer,turkey and exoctics down there.
You don't want road hunting so then all can pay to hunt or hammer the crap out of the limited public areas of your state in the highest amount of pheasant country, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look on your states web site and see in the majority of phesant habitat you have the least amount of public hunting! Yet you and the neighbors who have been charging 150.00 a day per hunter are willing to give up the fees as long as there is no road hunting allowed? You really want the sportsman to buy into that? Once signed into law it would be very tough to over turn and then you have nothing but paid to hunt guranteed! Sportsman are not all dumb Doug.
The almighty dollar get's in the way of a tradition that was and still is in some areas something other than a $$$$ on the heads of wildlife.
P Joe
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Doug, Why do you think land prices are going up in western SD??
It's not because you are making more per calf/cow/bull or plant corn!
The drought may have a little to do with it.
My guess would be this.
Since there is all this tension between east/west river, landowner hunter, the rich people/clubs are just buying up all the land. Not GF&P! An active rancher cannot afford to buy out another ranch at 5000 acres. You're are seeing the doctors, lawyers, anybody with a million in the bank, buying these ranches and using them as their own hunting preserve.
I'm not complaining about it, and NO I am not jealous, but it seems to me that the ones the ranchers out west hate and complain about the most are the ones that can afford to do this.
And you wonder why a poor farmer like me, caught in the middle of all this crap won't buy into what you are preaching!!
It's not because you are making more per calf/cow/bull or plant corn!
The drought may have a little to do with it.
My guess would be this.
Since there is all this tension between east/west river, landowner hunter, the rich people/clubs are just buying up all the land. Not GF&P! An active rancher cannot afford to buy out another ranch at 5000 acres. You're are seeing the doctors, lawyers, anybody with a million in the bank, buying these ranches and using them as their own hunting preserve.
I'm not complaining about it, and NO I am not jealous, but it seems to me that the ones the ranchers out west hate and complain about the most are the ones that can afford to do this.
And you wonder why a poor farmer like me, caught in the middle of all this crap won't buy into what you are preaching!!