For everyone NOT from South Dakota.

[Mrs.Greg]

BMR.....look what you did now,you went and started yet ANOTHER SD war

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

BMR.....look what you did now,you went and started yet ANOTHER SD war

Yea sure blame it on me. :wink:

 

[Southdakotahunter]

the only thing im gonna say on this thread is this. There really is no "war" between the hunters and the landowners. Its just that there is one on here who is an elected official who comes up with some of the goofiest ideas and who continues to spew those at the capitol. Thinks they own the wildlife because they live on the land they own.

There is really, no more bickering between the landowner and the hunter in this state than any other. they are the same old problems each state has. Eveyone has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has had a bad experience with a game warden and each game warden has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has seen bad land owners. Its just the bad ones are what most remember.

ok....im done......by the way...pheasants forever is probably the greatest wildlife organization i have ever been associated with. the money raised in that county stays in that county and we work with landowners all the time.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Since i started this thread I am going to wade in :roll:

I agree with Doug that conservation organizations that buy up land to idle are BAD. The do nothing for the rural economy. The just depopulate ranch country. DU was tying up large blocks in Sask with US dollars. NCC would like to do the same. They want CE's into perpetuity and don't want terms limits.
I also agree with the point that they could affect a great number of acres and help the wildlife and ranches with joint water and grazing development projects. Usually the only thing holding most ranchers back from doing a project is dollars.

 

[sw]

I guess it is my turn to weigh in on this one, there is going to be a war between hunters and landowners in this area, the first shots have been fired. FWP and our socialist governor think that they can force landowners to let the public hunt the publics wildlife, to the point that they are starting Constitutional Initiatives to take away our private property rights this is an email I got last night from a group that we all got started last week.

Thank you for providing your email information so that we could contact you.

United Property Owners of Montana, Inc., would like to know if you are willing to further support this effort to protect our private property rights. We are asking for confirmation of your support by the following means:


1) Will you be willing to participate in a sign campaign that would have you posting protest signs on your gate?
2) Will you be willing to make a commitment of your acres to a potential lockout of the general public hunter this fall?

These are both final measures that would only be taken if the FWP and the current administration refuse to rescind the limited permits that seek to force public access onto private property by punitively affecting the landowner. The lockout would target the general public hunter that is allowed non-fee access. This is not an action against that hunter, but against the policies of the FWP that attempt to force access. It would not be a lockout of family, friends, or clients, as those are not the focus of the FWP attempt to force access.



Since our first meeting in Roundup, three proposed Constitutional Initiatives were filed with the Secretary of State. One of the initiatives offers the following Statement of Purpose:

This initiative deals with citizen access to land for the purpose of hunting and fishing. In order to increase citizen access to the wild fish and wild game owned by the citizens of the State of Montana the purpose of this initiative requires that no person directly or indirectly inhibit access through the purchase, sale, trade, barter or offer to purchase or sell access to land for hunting or fishing for commercial or exclusive use.



This is a major step in the taking of our private property rights, and must be taken seriously. Please contact any of the steering committee listed below if you have any questions.



Thank you in advance for taking the time to return this email with your reply.

United Property Owners of MT, Inc.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

huh........i dont see how the govt can tell you who can and can not be on your land, hunting or not (unless its a warden checkiing licenses :lol: )

Hey Big Muddy.....whats the difference between a big, rich out of state or even out of the country fella coming along and buying the land or if DU buys the land. Both pay taxes......

 

[per]

I have to say you South Dakota folks sure are passionate.

 

[codymccue]

did I read that right?
the government is trying to force folks to let hunters on their land?
because the governments wildlife is on it?

I'd be shootin all that trespassing wildlife,me!Or sending a bill for the feed they eat...

or gettin a new government!

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

huh........i dont see how the govt can tell you who can and can not be on your land, hunting or not (unless its a warden checkiing licenses :lol: )

Hey Big Muddy.....whats the difference between a big, rich out of state or even out of the country fella coming along and buying the land or if DU buys the land. Both pay taxes......

So far we haven't had the problem with Rich people buying up large blocks and idling the land. And if they did it it probably would be with some government money thrown in the pot.

 

[sw]

You have read that exactly right cody and that is only the tip of the iceberg. The hunters have gone so far as to try to get ag land that does not allow public hunting to be taxed as recreational land, especially if a trespass fee is charged or if the landowner leases anything out to an outfitter. It is coming down to a city versus country thing and they will not take no for an answer. They are hoping to take this to the Supreme court. My opinion, get your public wildlife off of this ranch and fence them out, or give us an incentive to feed, water and care for your wildlife to let hunters in. They seem to forget that if we landowners did not give their wildlife some sanctuary, there would be no wildlife because the road hunters and slobs would kill them all. There is a reason that all of the wildlife gets pushed onto private lands, it is a matter of surviving. These same jackasses we have caught driving on our private roads claiming that any road on a USGS map is public and they can go and hunt where ever they please. We confiscated a six point bull from one of these yahoos who was clearly on private land, took a picture of his truck parked in front of one of our gates with blaze orange all around it and he claimed his GPS knows where he is better than I do. Give me a break.

 

[P Joe]

So far we haven't had the problem with Rich people buying up large blocks and idling the land. And if they did it it probably would be with some government money thrown in the pot.

2 words for you

TED TURNER

 

[mwj]

So far we haven't had the problem with Rich people buying up large blocks and idling the land. And if they did it it probably would be with some government money thrown in the pot.

2 words for you

TED TURNER

Are you saying Ted Turner has been buying land in Big Muddy's area and he is not aware :shock: You must be on top of things when you are aware of the sales before the people next door are. Maybe we could just have a bit of chronic wasting some bluetounge and a little avian flu thrown in if you want to play what if.

 

[Happy go lucky]

sw I hope your smart enough to relize not all the wildlife can live in road ditches or on public lands, it is called dispersal and without that and hunting seasons the landscape would look far different in many areas of the US.

Slob hunters are not the majority but the small minority, but it sells in some reguard to those trying to make a point to limit public hunting next to private ground doesn't it? If all the hunters that hunted public ground or road ditches where all slobs then many states would do something about it the pressure would be there and justified, but we won't mention all the good ethical public hunters just the few bad apples becuase then many wouldn't have a beef. Tresspass is not a public hunter issue but an issue of a small minority of people, the 2 are different.

 

[kolanuraven]

So far we haven't had the problem with Rich people buying up large blocks and idling the land. And if they did it it probably would be with some government money thrown in the pot.

2 words for you

TED TURNER

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Here we go again.........................


Question: With all this hunting going on...discussion of hunting going on.....sitting around and watching for people to trepass while hunting.......do any of you actually WORK????????

 

[Northern Rancher]

As little as possible at all times

 

[kolanuraven]

As little as possible at all times

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Northern Rancher]

As little as possible at all times

 

[CattleArmy]

So far we haven't had the problem with Rich people buying up large blocks and idling the land. And if they did it it probably would be with some government money thrown in the pot.

2 words for you

TED TURNER

Are you saying Ted Turner has been buying land in Big Muddy's area and he is not aware :shock: You must be on top of things when you are aware of the sales before the people next door are. Maybe we could just have a bit of chronic wasting some bluetounge and a little avian flu thrown in if you want to play what if.

He is in this area! Had to say that just for Kalo Not to make this a Ted Turner thread the biggest problem we've noticed is that they aren't letting deer hunters in and we let a ton of hunters in and the deer population is huge still. We've seen a lot more deer that look sickly and have not a lot of fur. It's a worry that if they aren't controlled more through hunting that they will develop new or more diseases.


In this imediate area there doesn't seem to be a problem with hunters and landowners. Some around us do it for profit and others like us just let guys we know or ones that are serving our country come in and enjoy some hunting. As long as they are respectful of the land and the head tall man around here all goes well with the hunters.

I know all the deer around haven't bothered me near as bad until we had to buy a lot of hay and I see tons of deer munching on costly bales of hay. Worse is when they get on it and poop and pee.

 

[P Joe]

Are you saying Ted Turner has been buying land in Big Muddy's area and he is not aware :shock: You must be on top of things when you are aware of the sales before the people next door are. Maybe we could just have a bit of chronic wasting some bluetounge and a little avian flu thrown in if you want to play what if.

Are you that naive or did some one crap on your wheaties today???

 

[mwj]

So far we haven't had the problem with Rich people buying up large blocks and idling the land. And if they did it it probably would be with some government money thrown in the pot.

2 words for you

TED TURNER

Seems to me it was you were the one that posted your ''2 words'' like it was a ''fact'' that poor old Big Muddy was in the dark about. If you don't like your own statements used just don't make them :tiphat: