For everyone NOT from South Dakota.

[Happy go lucky]

You are not lazy just becuase you hunt road ditches! I have walked many miles of ditch just to shoot a few roosters, the othe rhand you can hunt private ground food plots and CRP and shoot your limit in under 5 mintues on private ground and if your lucky they maybe just wild ringnecks and not pen rasied birds with little attitude!

You can not lump all into one catagory on each side, there are lazy road hunters who drive and drive yes, you also have lazy hunters who want everything set up and picture perfect and do the deed in little time. These are generaly high dollar paid to hunt clients. They want convieance and not the true aspects of the sport of hunting, it is all about the biggest buck, the fastest limits etc, bragging rights are what alot of these guys are after.

Close minded people stay close minded. Doug you label those who disagree with you as slob hunters or those not welcomed on your property, we all have opinions and why we want to see hunting continue without having to pay for it at each and every end. Hunting will take a big down turn if the only options are all pay as go this I know to be fact. Then you give the anits more power to create more laws, which will make life tougher on those high dollar pay hunters and they will just find another way to promote themselves to their buddys. We will all still be left eith the wildlife and it will need controlled, just with more hoops to jump through.

 

[mwj]

Happy come to my state or most others and you will find that there is life without hunting road ditches. I can see where this would cause a lot of strife with the retrival of game. It would be like hunting squirells from the sidewalks in town with no control from the homeowners 8) :shock: Hunters here form some close bonds with land owners and care for it as if it were there own. If his is not an option there is land owned by the fed.,state and local gov. that can be used on a limated basis. My guess is there could be a better system but it does ok for us and acomadates thousands of out of state hunters every year.

 

[P Joe]

Happy come to my state or most others and you will find that there is life without hunting road ditches. I can see where this would cause a lot of strife with the retrival of game. It would be like hunting squirells from the sidewalks in town with no control from the homeowners 8) :shock: Hunters here form some close bonds with land owners and care for it as if it were there own. If his is not an option there is land owned by the fed.,state and local gov. that can be used on a limated basis. My guess is there could be a better system but it does ok for us and acomadates thousands of out of state hunters every year.

Really, are you trying to compare Illinoise with South Dakota in pheasant hunting???? :roll: :roll:

You have never been to let alone hunted in SD have you?? :shock: :shock:

 

[Southdakotahunter]

im sure thats why so many out of state hunters come here to SD. You really have no pheasants in IL so there would be no reason to hunt areas where there is no game. You cant compair hunting rabbits in town with road hunting. Road hunting pheasants you must be 660 ft away from any occupied building or cattle etc, and there really is no such thing in town. I believe its also illegal to discharge a firearm in towns, unless its ok in your town. I know the towns i live by it is not.

It just kills me how those who know nothing about it can act like they do.

I believe we had over 100,000 out of state pheasant hunters in SD last year. Im sure it is several times as many as IL

 

[mwj]

Do the 2 of you just shoot pheasants out of the car window :shock: I was led to believe that SD had a lot of game other than pheasant. Yes I have been to SD since my Mother in law was born just north of wall. Now would you care to tell me where you live so I can come shoot chipmunks in your yard. I will close the gate when I am done and I promise to pick up 1 gum wrapper and a water bottle :lol:

 

[Southdakotahunter]

no. Shooting from a vehical is illegal. Im sure thats the practice of the good ol boys out west or in IL, but not us here east river. Im in Turner County, near the Turkey ridge area if that helps. However, you will sit there for a long time, as we have no chipmunks, just striped gophers and flickertail gophers. I am thinking of putting up a lockout sign, but if your interested in paying, thats different all togather! HA

 

[P Joe]

Do the 2 of you just shoot pheasants out of the car window :shock: I was led to believe that SD had a lot of game other than pheasant. Yes I have been to SD since my Mother in law was born just north of wall. Now would you care to tell me where you live so I can come shoot chipmunks in your yard. I will close the gate when I am done and I promise to pick up 1 gum wrapper and a water bottle :lol:

Yea, we do! BUT About the only thing that is LEGAL to road hunt is pheasants.

YOU really DON"T have an IDEA on what happens in SD do you?? YOUR post sure shows it.

Sorry, haven't seen a chimmuck unless I head to the black hills. They are not around the prairie much. I'll let you shoot gofers on my pasture for a price though! They cost me so much money!

 

[mwj]

About all is a very big term. Could I hunt gophers in the road ditch? How about wild turkey or deer? How much road hunting do you do east of the river? Why are you woried about me since I pick up gum wrapers and water bottles like a good hunter! Does the state stock the ditches for you if to many get hit by cars :lol: Do you really live in SD or are you just wanting people to think you are? Do pickups or pointing dogs have the rightofway west of the river on a gravel road? I might want to move west so I can become a semi pro road hunter. Could I be a guide if I had a good road map? I think you guys are becoming heros to a lot of people on these boards 8)

 

[Liberty Belle]

Hey BMR, isn't it strange that people just can not follow the instructions on the box?

As in the title of this thread. :roll:

Yea I guess hunters in South Dakota really can't stay out of areas where they are told not to go. :roll:

Well, what do you think Big Muddy, do you have any idea about how much South Dakota east river hunters, sportsmen groups and GF&P feel about landowners and property rights? You directed this thread to folks outside of South Dakota so I respected your wishes and kept away. Since it looks like the South Dakota hunters, who butted into this uninvited I might add, have finally gone silent, I apologize for adding a few comments of my own.

the only thing im gonna say on this thread is this. There really is no "war" between the hunters and the landowners. Its just that there is one on here who is an elected official who comes up with some of the goofiest ideas and who continues to spew those at the capitol. Thinks they own the wildlife because they live on the land they own.
There is really, no more bickering between the landowner and the hunter in this state than any other. they are the same old problems each state has. Eveyone has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has had a bad experience with a game warden and each game warden has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has seen bad land owners. Its just the bad ones are what most remember.

ok....im done......by the way...pheasants forever is probably the greatest wildlife organization i have ever been associated with. the money raised in that county stays in that county and we work with landowners all the time.

This is just a wild guess, but could I possibly be the elected official you mentioned? Care to give us an example of those goofy ideas I spewed out at the capitol?

I have never said that landowners own the wildlife that we raise on our private property at our expense. I have said that landowners should not have to pay the entire cost of raising the public's wildlife without compensation of any kind. If the wildlife belongs to the public, why shouldn't the public pay a share of the costs instead of sticking the landowners for the entire tab?

Didn't you say you were done posting when you wrote this? Hmm? :???:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Hey BMR, isn't it strange that people just can not follow the instructions on the box?

As in the title of this thread. :roll:

Yea I guess hunters in South Dakota really can't stay out of areas where they are told not to go. :roll:

Well, what do you think Big Muddy, do you have any idea about how much South Dakota east river hunters, sportsmen groups and GF&P feel about landowners and property rights? You directed this thread to folks outside of South Dakota so I respected your wishes and kept away. Since it looks like the South Dakota hunters, who butted into this uninvited I might add, have finally gone silent, I apologize for adding a few comments of my own.

the only thing im gonna say on this thread is this. There really is no "war" between the hunters and the landowners. Its just that there is one on here who is an elected official who comes up with some of the goofiest ideas and who continues to spew those at the capitol. Thinks they own the wildlife because they live on the land they own.
There is really, no more bickering between the landowner and the hunter in this state than any other. they are the same old problems each state has. Eveyone has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has had a bad experience with a game warden and each game warden has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has seen bad land owners. Its just the bad ones are what most remember.

ok....im done......by the way...pheasants forever is probably the greatest wildlife organization i have ever been associated with. the money raised in that county stays in that county and we work with landowners all the time.

This is just a wild guess, but could I possibly be the elected official you mentioned? Care to give us an example of those goofy ideas I spewed out at the capitol?

I have never said that landowners own the wildlife that we raise on our private property at our expense. I have said that landowners should not have to pay the entire cost of raising the public's wildlife without compensation of any kind. If the wildlife belongs to the public, why shouldn't the public pay a share of the costs instead of sticking the landowners for the entire tab?

Didn't you say you were done posting when you wrote this? Hmm? :???:

I was just interested if these problems existed elsewhere. I am glad you did weigh in as the thread pretty much served it's purpose anyway.
I think we are in for a change in Saskatchewan with a new government in power. Some are calling for the ability to sell hunting right and I was wondering what worked in other areas. Montana's Block Management program looked hopeful.
It was interesting that what was pointed out on another thread was the ability to not allow someone in under that program was reason not to enroll. That was the kind of information I was looking for as well as the benefits as it is nice to look at both sides before diving in.

 

[P Joe]

About all is a very big term.

Could I hunt gophers in the road ditch? SORRY BUT THAT'S ILLEGAL

How about wild turkey or deer? SORRY BUT THAT IS TOO

How much road hunting do you do east of the river? JUST AS MUCH AS I LEGALLLY CAN WEST RIVER TO IF I AM OVER THAT WAY

Does the state stock the ditches for you if to many get hit by cars :lol:

NO I THINK I DO THAT, HOW DO YOU THINK THE PHEASANT POPLUATION GOT SO BIG, DON'T SUPPOSE IT HAD TO DO WITH ANY OF THE 700 PHEASANT CHICKS I,OR PF OR ANYONE ELSE, LET LOOSE AROUND MY PLACE EVERY YEAR WOULD IT???? YOU RANCHERS THINK YOU HAVE SOOOOO MUCH MONEY STUCK INTO BIG GAME BUT I YET HAVE TO SEE ANY ONE OF THEM BUY AND STOCK DEER. YOU WANT TO SEE DESTRUCTION, DRIVE BY IN THE SPRING AFTER MY CORN IS PLANTED AND YOU CAN SEE 3-4 ROWS OF CORN EATEN OFF ALONG EVERY FENCELINE BY A DEER. TRUST ME, CORN IS WORTH WAY MORE THAN YOU PIDDLY GRASS


Do you really live in SD or are you just wanting people to think you are?
ARE YOU REALLY THIS STUPID OR JUST PRETEND TO BE??

YOU ARE A FRUIT

 

[Southdakotahunter]

Hey BMR, isn't it strange that people just can not follow the instructions on the box?

As in the title of this thread. :roll:

Yea I guess hunters in South Dakota really can't stay out of areas where they are told not to go. :roll:

Well, what do you think Big Muddy, do you have any idea about how much South Dakota east river hunters, sportsmen groups and GF&P feel about landowners and property rights? You directed this thread to folks outside of South Dakota so I respected your wishes and kept away. Since it looks like the South Dakota hunters, who butted into this uninvited I might add, have finally gone silent, I apologize for adding a few comments of my own.

the only thing im gonna say on this thread is this. There really is no "war" between the hunters and the landowners. Its just that there is one on here who is an elected official who comes up with some of the goofiest ideas and who continues to spew those at the capitol. Thinks they own the wildlife because they live on the land they own.
There is really, no more bickering between the landowner and the hunter in this state than any other. they are the same old problems each state has. Eveyone has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has had a bad experience with a game warden and each game warden has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has seen bad land owners. Its just the bad ones are what most remember.

ok....im done......by the way...pheasants forever is probably the greatest wildlife organization i have ever been associated with. the money raised in that county stays in that county and we work with landowners all the time.

This is just a wild guess, but could I possibly be the elected official you mentioned? Care to give us an example of those goofy ideas I spewed out at the capitol?
I have never said that landowners own the wildlife that we raise on our private property at our expense. I have said that landowners should not have to pay the entire cost of raising the public's wildlife without compensation of any kind. If the wildlife belongs to the public, why shouldn't the public pay a share of the costs instead of sticking the landowners for the entire tab?

Didn't you say you were done posting when you wrote this? Hmm? :???:

The $200 paid to owners of vehicals in accidents with wildlife should be good enough. I was listening to a local radio talk show recently, and yours and my favorite gov was on. The radio host asked the gov what was the craziest bill introduced. (or something like that) and guess what his FIRST response was.....the $200 payment for an accident with wildlife. Says those who introduced that bill really took a pile of BS from the rest of those out in pierre...giggled some and wondered if we would have to ask the deer in the collision if someone had swerved at it or if it was a legit accident......do i need to go on?

 

[mwj]

P Joe sounds like you have a game farm with all of those pen raised chicks. Our DNR people would lock you up for a stunt like that in Il. Habitat is what it takes for a game population. if you just like the numbers game, turn those birds loose in your yard and shoot them all :? Did you stock those nonwild birds along some country road? We have a lot of land that is leased to hunters and outfitters and habitat is always the first thing they work on, maybe you folks should give it a try. How many birds do you need for a good hunt or a season total? I guess I am not very smart because I can have a very good time without harvesting even one animal or bird. Does that make me the wrong kind of sportsman for your area?

 

[Liberty Belle]

Yea I guess hunters in South Dakota really can't stay out of areas where they are told not to go. :roll:

Well, what do you think Big Muddy, do you have any idea about how much South Dakota east river hunters, sportsmen groups and GF&P feel about landowners and property rights? You directed this thread to folks outside of South Dakota so I respected your wishes and kept away. Since it looks like the South Dakota hunters, who butted into this uninvited I might add, have finally gone silent, I apologize for adding a few comments of my own.

the only thing im gonna say on this thread is this. There really is no "war" between the hunters and the landowners. Its just that there is one on here who is an elected official who comes up with some of the goofiest ideas and who continues to spew those at the capitol. Thinks they own the wildlife because they live on the land they own.
There is really, no more bickering between the landowner and the hunter in this state than any other. they are the same old problems each state has. Eveyone has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has had a bad experience with a game warden and each game warden has had a bad experience with a hunter and each hunter has seen bad land owners. Its just the bad ones are what most remember.

ok....im done......by the way...pheasants forever is probably the greatest wildlife organization i have ever been associated with. the money raised in that county stays in that county and we work with landowners all the time.

This is just a wild guess, but could I possibly be the elected official you mentioned? Care to give us an example of those goofy ideas I spewed out at the capitol?
I have never said that landowners own the wildlife that we raise on our private property at our expense. I have said that landowners should not have to pay the entire cost of raising the public's wildlife without compensation of any kind. If the wildlife belongs to the public, why shouldn't the public pay a share of the costs instead of sticking the landowners for the entire tab?

Didn't you say you were done posting when you wrote this? Hmm? :???:

The $200 paid to owners of vehicals in accidents with wildlife should be good enough. I was listening to a local radio talk show recently, and yours and my favorite gov was on. The radio host asked the gov what was the craziest bill introduced. (or something like that) and guess what his FIRST response was.....the $200 payment for an accident with wildlife. Says those who introduced that bill really took a pile of BS from the rest of those out in pierre...giggled some and wondered if we would have to ask the deer in the collision if someone had swerved at it or if it was a legit accident......do i need to go on?

Yes, by all means continue…

Since the public owns the wildlife, why shouldn't they pay for the damage their animals do to YOUR vehicle? Contrary to what you might have heard the governor say, I didn't take receive any BS from my fellow legislators over my bill. On the contrary, there were several from the governor's and my own party who thought it made a lot of sense, including the former Senate majority leader who just put $4600 into repairs on his vehicle after he hit a deer just outside Pierre!

This bill died in committee after GF&P testified that it would break GF&P if it passed. That didn't concern me overly much, as you can imagine, but it scared the Ag and Natural Resources committee enough that they voted against the bill. I had several committee members come to me afterward with suggestions as to how I could accomplish the same thing later on, but I accomplished what I set out to do, which was point out that the GF&P are doing a really poor job of managing the wildlife even though that is the sole reason for their existence.

Is that all the goofy legislation of mine you care to discuss? If so, I must say I'm disappointed. Don't you want to talk about protecting property rights, appointing members of the Brand Board by district, issuing birth certificates for babies that were stillborn that can't be entered into a national database, giving free big game hunting licenses to our active military, and putting mountain lions on the predator list where they belong? These were my bills and I'm pretty proud of all of them. I'm curious to know which of them you think are goofy and why?

Let's have a rational discussion, okay? :wink:

 

[P Joe]

P Joe sounds like you have a game farm with all of those pen raised chicks. Our DNR people would lock you up for a stunt like that in Il. Habitat is what it takes for a game population. if you just like the numbers game, turn those birds loose in your yard and shoot them all :? Did you stock those nonwild birds along some country road? We have a lot of land that is leased to hunters and outfitters and habitat is always the first thing they work on, maybe you folks should give it a try. How many birds do you need for a good hunt or a season total? I guess I am not very smart because I can have a very good time without harvesting even one animal or bird. Does that make me the wrong kind of sportsman for your area?

Your DNR??? Lock me up for what???? Do you think I am the only person to turn chicks loose??? You are purly stupid if you think so. Anybody that is connected with pheasant's forever, their county wildlife club, or pheasant group buys hen, chicks and turns them loose. Pen raised, not really, we turn ours loose in July, or when they are 7 weeks old. Not all that tame!

Really habitat you say, then explain to me how our pheasant numbers increase every year when we lose thousands of acres in CRP for the past 2 or 3????

Be honest mwj, you really have no clue on how anything works in SD. Just got caught spouting of at the mouth :shock:

 

[Mrs.Greg]

P Joe sounds like you have a game farm with all of those pen raised chicks. Our DNR people would lock you up for a stunt like that in Il. Habitat is what it takes for a game population. if you just like the numbers game, turn those birds loose in your yard and shoot them all :? Did you stock those nonwild birds along some country road? We have a lot of land that is leased to hunters and outfitters and habitat is always the first thing they work on, maybe you folks should give it a try. How many birds do you need for a good hunt or a season total? I guess I am not very smart because I can have a very good time without harvesting even one animal or bird. Does that make me the wrong kind of sportsman for your area?

Although I'm in Canada......Raising pheasants and wild turkeys then turning then loose happens around here all the time,fish and game,4-H clubs,scouts,lots of other groups do this. We have so many cayotes that the survival rate isn't really good. There sure not a nonwild bird when let go.In our area I've yet to hear of a landowner say no to these birds being let loose on thier land,we've had numerous groups let these birds go on our river pasture.

 

[mwj]

P Joe sounds like you have a game farm with all of those pen raised chicks. Our DNR people would lock you up for a stunt like that in Il. Habitat is what it takes for a game population. if you just like the numbers game, turn those birds loose in your yard and shoot them all :? Did you stock those nonwild birds along some country road? We have a lot of land that is leased to hunters and outfitters and habitat is always the first thing they work on, maybe you folks should give it a try. How many birds do you need for a good hunt or a season total? I guess I am not very smart because I can have a very good time without harvesting even one animal or bird. Does that make me the wrong kind of sportsman for your area?

Although I'm in Canada......Raising pheasants and wild turkeys then turning then loose happens around here all the time,fish and game,4-H clubs,scouts,lots of other groups do this. We have so many cayotes that the survival rate isn't really good. There sure not a nonwild bird when let go.In our area I've yet to hear of a landowner say no to these birds being let loose on thier land,we've had numerous groups let these birds go on our river pasture.

Mrs Greg there used to be a lot of the same thing done in my country. The prob. was the sickness spreading from pen raised critters to the wild population :shock: Sportsmen put a lot of time and money into wildlife and we try to get the most result for the time and money invested. We have in the last few years inherited a chronic wasting prob. in the deer in the northern part of our state. This prob. started in pen raised elk and deer that spread to the wild population. If SD or your part of Canada does not have it you are very lucky. Instant gratification is sometimes not the best aproach when it comes to nature.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

You cant release pen raised deer or elk in SD. We do have CWD here. Not much, but its here. Game birds do not seem to have diseases. The survival rate is not good on releases. However, if you have 10% success, thats better than you had and hopefully the 10% will turn into more birds for years to come. That 10 percent hopefully has the instincts needed and can pass them on.

By the way. I believe it was anounced in the media in the last month or so the GFP projected SD had a pheasant population of 11 million last fall. Far surpassing any other state in the U.S. Thats why we are the pheasant capitol of the world. Over 100,000 out of state licenses sold, i believe ab out 80,000 residents.

 

[Mrs.Greg]

You cant release pen raised deer or elk in SD. We do have CWD here. Not much, but its here. Game birds do not seem to have diseases. The survival rate is not good on releases. However, if you have 10% success, thats better than you had and hopefully the 10% will turn into more birds for years to come. That 10 percent hopefully has the instincts needed and can pass them on.

By the way. I believe it was anounced in the media in the last month or so the GFP projected SD had a pheasant population of 11 million last fall. Far surpassing any other state in the U.S. Thats why we are the pheasant capitol of the world. Over 100,000 out of state licenses sold, i believe ab out 80,000 residents.

We've never had a disease from game birds and like SDH says really the released birds survival rate isn't great.

SDH....don't count on the release of pen raised game. Fish and wildlife in Alberta fought HARD very HARD against pen raised game farms,mostly because a large number of the animals were showing CWD{that were brought in from out of country}....our government in its infinate wisdom not only supported these game farms but a huge amount of money was loaned to get these game farms going :evil: . Needless to say because of the diseases and lack of market{As you prob know Alta is known for its big mulies and whitetails,lots of moose etc,big hunting in our province,why buy something you can hunt}Anyway,so although AGAINST the law.......THESE PEN RAISED ANIMALS WERE RELEASED The "ranchers" that raised and recieved money,declared bankrupsy :evil: :evil:

Kinda sits in the back of ones mind if this isn't where our BSE stated from.{Chronic Wasting disease} Greg and I tried very hard to stop these game farms.Along with our local F&G we sent off and wrote numerous letters to the editors.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

Im not for a pen raised hunt of any kind. I do know also there have been pen raised animals that have busted out of jail, and infected others. No one should own them. I do know there is big business in pheasants here in SD. The only way they would ever stop that is if somehow the pen raised ones had a disease. I dont know of that happening. Many of the pen raised ones are the roosters. they are sold to outfitters that release them the night before for their clients. I dont like it but nothing i can do about it.