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Funny all the hereford bashing lately

I am having a good chuckle reading some of these posts.

I guess there are a few Hereford breeders out there that don't remember the 80's and early 90's, when Angus were in the dumps and everyone (at least around here) laughed them out of the ring. Here, Hereford and Shorthorn were king of the ring.

Angus had to work to get where they are, and breeders worked hard.

Herefords rested on their laurels...didn't actively kick people of the associations for registering crossbreds and chased the Continentals, lost their supporters, and now they have to keep working to get even remotely close to 1/2 of the supporters they once had.

Eventually, things might even up between Angus and Herefords...but there is a lot of time to go yet.
 
Can't sit back have to add my two cents......IMHO,one of the nicest herds on ranchers is Nickys.

I've watched over the last few years doesn't matter how nice a steer is in the 4-H classes invariably a Black Angus will win. Tanks me right off. One thing can be said about the black angus group there PR department is one of the best. People truly buy...black angus is the best meat....why then not too long ago here on ranchers quite a few on here said a herf steak is the best. Sorry looked can't find that thread.
 
Mrs.Greg said:
...black angus is the best meat....

They just have the best marketing association, because you sure don't have any guarantee that that "CAB" steak that you just put on the grill is actually Angus. If you want to know for sure that the steak you are getting is what you actually bought, go get the Certified Hereford. They at least have to be Hereford to qualify for the program.

I raise Red Angus, so this isn't a Hereford breeder's opinion. I just have a lot of animosity for the CAB program. I hold it in the same esteem I hold "organic" and "all natural."
 
We raised polled herefords as a kid and I thought they were the best thing ever. As I drive around the country side I still admire a herd of red white faced cattle when I see them. They bring back good memories. Herefords are just real thirfty cattle to raise, as a result milk production is a "little suspect" on them, but they do raise a calf. All that said it's awful hard to beat a black baldy cow, best of two breeds, and been around for a long long time. If you want one you need a hereford and an angus.
 
There's good and bad in all breeds....I hear people looking at Herefords again to increase reproductive traits, paricularly fertility in thier hiefers. The Hereford Association has a lot of information on the effect that crossing with Herefords has....I still like black baldies a lot...I guess thatputs me on the fence?? LOL..

In my direct marketing I will tell you the general public views Angus Beef as superior. I will tell you other things influence meat quality as much if not more. But it is hard to get beyond that perception..

An irony... I will talk to someone who no longer enjoys Safeways Ranchers Reserve Angus Beef. This is a definite shift as ten years ago I had people raving about it. So, they have just sad there is an example of Angus Beef they didn't enjoy......Yet, often, they want to b cetain my cattle are Angus or Angus Cross....

The Angus Association did thier work and it was not overnight,

PPRM
 
PPRM said:
I guess thatputs me on the fence?? LOL..


PPRM

I was told once that it is not hard to tell if you are sitting on the fence, because the hedge post up your ash is a dead give away...
 
jigs said:
PPRM said:
I guess thatputs me on the fence?? LOL..


PPRM

I was told once that it is not hard to tell if you are sitting on the fence, because the hedge post up your ash is a dead give away...

Dang...I've been going to a chiropractor for my Funny walk when I should of been seeing a proctologist the whole time,

;-}

PPRM
 
Certified Angus Beef is a better product because of the 10 specifications that it has to meet when the carcass is hanging in the cooler. The marbling level is the taste factor that people are looking for. Yes, perhaps is has become a bit misleading since most other breeds turned their cattle black to try to get their cattle marketed on this good program.

HP
 
High Plains said:
Certified Angus Beef is a better product because of the 10 specifications that it has to meet when the carcass is hanging in the cooler. The marbling level is the taste factor that people are looking for. Yes, perhaps is has become a bit misleading since most other breeds turned their cattle black to try to get their cattle marketed on this good program.

HP

Marbling alone tells us little about the true quality of beef..........



Grade Meat Tender, Grade Meat True...

By J. Raloff
MARC analysis


Having trouble selecting meat that will practically melt in your mouth? You're not alone. Restaurants and butchers, too, encounter the same frustration. Even cuts labeled prime, the top grade, sometimes offer diners a tough chew.

The problem, explains Mohammad Koohmaraie, is that the current carcass-grading procedures—designed to distinguish the tough from the tender—rely heavily on marbling, the presence of intramuscular fat. Yet only about 10 percent of the variation in a steak's tenderness correlates with marbling, according to research by his team at the Agriculture Department's Meat Animal Research Center (MARC) in Clay Center, Neb.

The MARC scientists have now cobbled together an alternative tenderness-rating system. In tests, it has offered an unprecedented 94 percent accuracy.

Today, meat graders slice open a carcass 1 to 3 days after slaughter and estimate its tenderness by rating its appearance—muscle maturity and color as well as marbling. The system that Koohmaraie's group has developed requires slicing off a 1-inch rib-eye steak, cooking it for 4 minutes, then cutting it with a miniature guillotine that measures shear force.

To make the system even more attractive to meat packers, the scientists have just added an image-analysis program. From a glance at the uncooked rib eye, a computer calculates the pounds of retail cuts that the rest of the carcass will yield when butchered.

Although not automated, the system "is ready for prime time," Koohmaraie says. It adds $4.50 per carcass, or 15 cents per pound retail, he calculates.

Meat producers should be able to easily recover these costs, according to in-store studies led by Ted C. Schroeder at Kansas State University in Manhattan. His team grilled two rib-eye steaks from different carcasses and offered shoppers a taste test. Their reward: a free steak from the tougher carcass.

The vast majority not only preferred the tender steak but offered hard cash to swap the tough freebie for the more tender meat. Most anted up at least $1.23—and some paid over $3—per pound.

This suggests that by marketing the tender cuts under a new, brand-name label that guarantees tenderness, savvy packers could quickly "corner the market" for high-value meats, says Gary C. Smith of Colorado State University in Fort Collins. Though large-scale packers might initially balk at adopting this new grading system, he says they'll soon realize that without it they risk losing the most lucrative part of the market.

Indeed, they're already losing big time, argues Wayne D. Purcell of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg. Every year for the past 20, U.S. consumers have purchased less beef than they did the year before. They've been turned off in part, he maintains, by the industry's "25 percent product-failure rate"—unexpectedly tough meat.

"Would you buy John Deere tractors if 25 percent of the new ones wouldn't start?" he chides producers.

Now that the MARC group has unveiled a solution, Purcell says, "I think the general consensus in the industry is that we need to move forward on it."

In the long term, he and Smith argue, the ability to identify—and charge a premium for—guaranteed-tender carcasses should give producers an economic incentive for breeding animals with more tender muscles.
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CAB - 10 Specs:
10 Quality Specifications
Marbling and maturity

Modest or higher marbling – for the taste that ensures customer satisfaction
Medium or fine marbling texture – the white "flecks of flavor" in the beef that ensure consistent flavor and juiciness in every bite
Only the youngest classification of product qualifies as "A" maturity – for superior color, texture and tenderness
The next three specifications ensure a uniform, consistent steak size:

10- to 16-square-inch ribeye area
Less than 1,000-pound hot carcass weight
Less than 1-inch fat thickness
And finally, four specifications further ensure the quality appearance and tenderness of the brand:

Superior muscling (restricts influence of dairy cattle)
Practically free of capillary ruptures (ensures the most visually appealing steak)
No dark cutters (ensures the most visually appealing steak)
No neck hump exceeding 2 inches (safeguards against cattle with more variability in tenderness)
__________________________________________________________

Nothing extraordinary to the CAB specs. :roll:
 
High Plains said:
Yes, perhaps is has become a bit misleading since most other breeds turned their cattle black to try to get their cattle marketed on this good program.

HP

A bit misleading? It is outright fraud to claim something in advertising that you have neither the means nor the intention of assuring is accurate. The only thing you are sure of with CAB is that it meets the quality specs. If you want to have a program that meets a certain quality grade, fine. But then it ought to be called Certified Choice or Certified Prime Beef, not CAB.
 
This thread sounds almost personal. I will have to agree with NR again in that the superiority of the Angus cow crossed with a Hereford is better than either side of the straightbred individual hands down. I know one thing when my crossbred heifers calve I don't have to worry about them killing their calf. My higher percent Angus heifers are more apt to try and claim another calf right before they have theirs and require separation. With that said I am not interested in running a straightbred herd of Herefords either. We are currently recieving snow that is going to accumulate in the +15 inch range and I am willing to bet that I won't have any sunburned udders.
 
I'm new here and find this topic interesting and brings up a conversation I had with an old rancher years ago. He asked me what the best breed of cattle were. Before I could give him an answer he said "Hereford" and then he asked me if I knew why, once again before I could say anything he said, " there the only breed that convince their calf they don't need milk to survive"
 
Denny said:
YADA YADA YADA YADA.

I've owned some hereford cows in my day and all I can say is you guy's are allergic to money....

You are right there Denny, I pulled the checkbook away from the wife and by goll her allergies dissapeared. I never would have thought of it without the wisdom of our Angus friends. :roll:

Brian
 
I like what my husband always tells me.
"Take off the hide, then tell me you know what the breed is without ever seeing them with the hide on."
As you can tell we raise Herfs. drove the Angus guys nuts last fall at the ring. We got the same price for our calves as the angus guys. we did try the cross breeding of a black bull to our first year heifers. Who ever says those blacks are the lazy man cattle never had to repair the $600.00 worth of broken planks in our corral. Even the hot wire would not keep him in. Wouldn't breed the heifers. He's gone. Went back to a Hereford bull for those heifers.

Personally speaking I think there is both good and bad in each breed of cattle. we as cattlemen and women should not be against each other because of the breed we raise, we all need to stand together and face down those who would love to put us all out of business. JMHO.
 
I know one thing is that the angus association needs to get a few fellas to learn how to use soapweeds knife. As a direct marketer also i fatten out angus hereford and crossbreds. I cannot cut enough fat off an angus steer to appease my customers. The best steaks that i have sold the last 2 years at the farmers market came out of some horned hereford steers that were delicous. Up to that point thou i wouldnt fatten one out unless it was a crossbred hereford. We have settled on straight shorthorns or 50% shorthorn calves. And i will feed every horned hereford steer from this one farm because there genetics are now proven. The angus are great if they are crossed with the shorthorn bull but straight i have just had to many tenderness and fat problems.My customers are always right. Angus breeders just need to sharpen there knives and fix the breed of yield grade 4's among other things. Its said sad when 90% of shorthorn sired calves will make the cab but not even 50% of angus will. And thats out of an angus state directors mouth.
 
Interesting thread, yes baldy cattle can be good, when they have a good Daddy, correct udder and all, more than not an Angus Daddy. NR can say what he wants, but the interesting thing is up here in Canada, to much Hereford, Simmi, or Charolais and not enough Angus, only two packers bidding and not more.

There are good cattle in all breeds but the good ones look like Angus.....LOL
CA
 
Aren't any of you straightbreeders, I'll include myself in this accusation, afraid of your females lack of fertility? I don't care what breed you run, Angus, Hereford, Shorthorn, whatever it is, we are breeding the fertility right out of our cattle.

Reproductive traits are the number one economic trait we should be trying to improve. You can talk about carcass all day long but if that cow doesn't rebreed, it doesn't matter how tender that calf might have been. I'm as guilty as many of you are in that we are so proud of our straightbreds that just shrug our shoulders when young cows come up open in the fall. Maybe if I would have just fed them a little better.........

I know the Angus guys are afraid of all the shortcomings of the Hereford breed, and with good reason. I know all the Hereford guys complain about disposition and lack of muscle in the Angus breed. Are we so proud that we can't see that the combination of the breeds might be the best option? I'm not talking about just using any ol' bull of the opposite color. It's going to take some research to find the right ones. We all know in our heads that's it's the only free lunch out there, and in the times we are in we could all use a free lunch, but in our hearts we can't seem to embrace it. I know, I'm in the same situation. It's out of our comfort zone, and nobody likes to be uncomfortable.

My very first post a few months ago concerned crossbreeding. I got lots of suggestions and advice and I still don't know what to do. It sure is interesting to hear everyones ideas though.
 

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