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Gas stations are out of gas here. Most anyway.

Just got a call from Atlanta and a friend told me it was $5 a gallon and the pumps have to close by 5 P.M.

Called my farm fuel supplier, he said it might be next week before they get more.

Anybody got a horse for sale cheap? :wink:
 

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I didn't like your title to this thread. You know how many morons waited in line for hours on September 11 to fill up when their gas tank was already 3/4 full? If everyone cuts back and conserves a little this to shall pass.
 

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SDSteve said:
I didn't like your title to this thread. You know how many morons waited in line for hours on September 11 to fill up when their gas tank was already 3/4 full? If everyone cuts back and conserves a little this to shall pass.

No. How many?

Thread title was meant to get attention. I can't get farm fuel now and need to finish some hay.

Farmers and ranchers need to have fuel on hand Stevie.

The state has lifted the "Red Fuel" restrictions as of today here.

With 25% of the refineries down, it may NOT pass anytime soon.
 

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Horseman said:
SDSteve said:
I didn't like your title to this thread. You know how many morons waited in line for hours on September 11 to fill up when their gas tank was already 3/4 full? If everyone cuts back and conserves a little this to shall pass.


When??????? Fertilzer application is underway, fall planting and harvest are on the horizon. Not to mention cattle coming from pasture to market. How can we conserve when equipment, fertilzer, and trucks have to run??? Please fill us all in with your great Repulican Brainwashed Solution.
First just when has a Republican mentioned conserving fuel?? Too funny. Have you ever heard of no-till? I use about a third as much fuel per acre that I used to. I was mainly talking about ordinary runnning around gas use though. Maybe skip the ten mile trip to town for coffee.
 

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Well I checked my bulk tanks one is half-full the other is two-thirds full. Should I order today? I say no that will just compound the problem.
On Sept 11 there were long lines for gas in Aberdeen S.D. There is never a line any other day. The same thing happened all over the U.S. Do you really think all these people were filling up when they normally would? I spent that day cutting silage. When I heard about the morons rushing out to buy gas it pissed me off. Thousands of fellow Americans had just died and all these morons could think about was buying five gallons of gas. So if everone rushes out to buy fuel they don't need for another week or month it will make the problem a thousand times worse.
You must be learning from SH how to respond. You sounded almost as arrogant as he usually does. I never have been a "stevie" and I never will be. If it makes you feel better to make fun of my name so be it.
 

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Mike, What can we do to help?? Do you have a neighbor you could ask to help you? Suppose I need to get my mayonaise jar out and send to you??? :wink:
 

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katrina said:
Mike, What can we do to help?? Do you have a neighbor you could ask to help you? Suppose I need to get my mayonaise jar out and send to you??? :wink:

You might fill that mayo jar with some diesel fuel and send me. :wink:

I think? the problem is they have staged the Air Base here in Montgomery as headquarters for the relief efforts and there are literally hundreds of trucks here pulling "FEMA" trailers to Mobile, Biloxi, and New Orleans. I think they are putting their fuel priority over the public right now. All I can figure anyway.

Got to remember that about 25% of our refined fuel and gas comes from the disaster area. They are shut down for.......who knows how long.

Got an extra horse? :lol:
 

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I'm pretty sure I heard on the news today that the President has said they will be able to dip into the reserve to help things out. I would also hope that agricultural use would get a priority as well, since, after all, everyone is going to need to eat... :???:
 

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I heard on the radio today, a fella from the wholesale fuel business said that he was told to tell those who they had been supplying, that they would only be getting half as much as normal, for the duration. Sounds like fuel lines in some places. Mike I got a horse for you. How you going to come get him and are you going to ride him home? :lol:
 

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Hey Horseman,

GET A LIFE!!! Not everything is George Bush's fault. A lot of the problem is people like you who whine and cry about everything and offer no real solutions to a problem.
 

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Horseman said:
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I heard on the radio today, a fella from the wholesale fuel business said that he was told to tell those who they had been supplying, that they would only be getting half as much as normal, for the duration. Sounds like fuel lines in some places. Mike I got a horse for you. How you going to come get him and are you going to ride him home? :lol:

Supplying a horse at this time seems like something Dubya would reccomend. I was going to elaborate, but that sentence seems to say it all.

I know I shouldn't respond, but I will anyway. A horse is a practical and useful tool who runs on renewable resources. In this part of the country, they are valued more than most tools. Just because you are too ignorant or foolish to not realise this, shows a lot about you!

Maybe more should use some horses and get away from high priced fuel! :wink:

Say,m are you any relation to Dis? :lol:
 

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No, we don't have 30 head and we don't do everything with hores. I wish! And you are correct that it is 2005 and we need fuel to follow the ag practices in this country. But Mike asked for the loan of a horse. Hmm, guess the Amish just haven't got a clue, eh? Must be why there are getting to be more of them.

Horses casn be a practical tool, if used correctly. Maybe we need to quite spending so much to raise cheap grains and work more at working wityh mother nature instead of against. But hey, as long as we got all them great farm programs, we'll all get rich! Yeah, right!

No need to look outside the box, just keep doing the same old things we been doin' and keep bitching cuz we can't make any money in ag! :wink:
 

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I filled up with gas this morning and spent the day wondering why we in the ag. industry are paying as much for a nessesity as our neighbours in the city who use it as a luxury.

Heard one lady on the news last night wondering , "how am I going to afford to get to the cottage, this weekend"

I don't think it would be unreasonable to come up with a system/taxes to reduce the cost of fuel for those producing one of the essentials of life (food) and "tax" those that live in front of a bus stop and drive to work, which also has a bus stop in front.

These type of people in the cities probably burn more gas just idling, than they do actually driving.
 

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LINK to our TAX dollars at WORK .The Ugly Truth

Why we couldn’t save the people of New Orleans

Scene outside the Convention Center after spending four days in squalor after Hurricane Katrina.

Bubbling up from the flood that destroyed New Orleans are images, beamed around the world, of America's original and continuing sin: the shabby, contemptuous treatment this country metes out, decade after decade, to poor people in general and the descendants of African slaves in particular. The world sees New Orleans burning and dying today, but the televised anarchy - the shooting and looting, needless deaths, helpless rage and maddening governmental incompetence - was centuries in the making.

To the casual viewer, the situation is an incomprehensible mess that raises questions about the intelligence, sanity and moral worth of those trapped in the city. Why didn't those people evacuate before the hurricane? Why don't they just walk out of town now? And why should anyone care about people who are stealing and fighting the police?

That hard, unsympathetic view is the traditional American response to the poverty, ignorance and rage that afflict many of us whose great-great-grandparents once made up the captive African slave labor pool. In far too many cities, including New Orleans, the marching orders on the front lines of American race relations are to control and contain the very poor in ghettos as cheaply as possible; ignore them completely if possible; and call in the troops if the brutes get out of line.

By almost every statistical measure, New Orleans is a bad place to be poor. Half the city's households make less than $28,000 a year, and 28% of the population lives in poverty.

In the late 1990s, the state's school systems ranked dead last in the nation in the number of computers per student (1 per 88), and Louisiana has the nation's second-highest percentage of adults who never finished high school. By the state's own measure, 47% of the public schools in New Orleans rank as "academically unacceptable."

And Louisiana is the only one of the 50 states where the state legislature doesn't allocate money to pay for the legal defense of indigent defendants. The Associated Press reported this year that it's not unusual for poor people charged with crimes to stay in jail for nine months before getting a lawyer appointed.

These government failures are not merely a matter of incompetence. Louisiana and New Orleans have a long, well-known reputation for corruption: as former congressman Billy Tauzin once put it, "half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment."

That's putting it mildly. Adjusted for population size, the state ranks third in the number of elected officials convicted of crimes (Mississippi is No. 1). Recent scandals include the conviction of 14 state judges and an FBI raid on the business and personal files of a Louisiana congressman.

In 1991, a notoriously corrupt Democrat named Edwin Edwards ran for governor against Republican David Duke, a former head of the Ku Klux Klan. Edwards, whose winning campaign included bumper stickers saying "Elect the Crook," is currently serving a 10-year prison sentence for taking bribes from casino owners. Duke recently completed his own prison term for tax fraud.

The rot included the New Orleans Police Department, which in the 1990s had the dubious distinction of being the nation's most corrupt police force and the least effective: the city had the highest murder rate in America. More than 50 officers were eventually convicted of crimes including murder, rape and robbery; two are currently on Death Row.

The decision to subject an entire population to poverty, ignorance, injustice and government corruption as a way of life has its ugly moments, as the world is now seeing. New Orleans officials issued an almost cynical evacuation order in a city where they know full well that thousands have no car, no money for airfare or an interstate bus, no credit cards for hotels, and therefore no way to leave town before the deadly storm and flood arrived.

The authorities provided no transportation out of the danger zone, apparently figuring the neglected thousands would somehow weather the storm in their uninsured, low-lying shacks and public housing projects. The poor were expected to remain invisible at the bottom of the pecking order and somehow weather the storm.

But the flood confounded the plan, and the world began to see a tide of human misery rising from the water - ragged, sick, desperate and disorderly. Some foraged for food, some took advantage of the chaos to commit crimes. All in all, they acted exactly the way you could predict people would act who have been locked up in a ghetto for generations.

The world also saw the breezy indifference with which government officials treated these tens of thousands of sick and dying citizens, even as the scope of the disaster became clear. President Bush initially shunned the Gulf Coast and headed to political fund-raisers in the West.

That left matters in the bumbling hands of the director of emergency management, Michael Brown, who ranks No. 1 on the list of officials who ought to be fired when the crisis has passed. Even as local officials were publicly reporting assaults, fires and bedlam at local hospitals, Brown took to the airwaves to declare that "things are going well" as mayhem engulfed the city. When asked about the rising death toll, Brown attributed it to "people who did not heed the advance warnings." Brown's smug ignorance of the conditions of the place he was tasked to save became the final door slammed on the trap that tens of thousands of the city's poorest found themselves.

The challenge for America is to remember the faces of the evacuees who will surely be ushered back into a black hole of public indifference as soon as the White House and local officials can manage it. While pledging ourselves to remember their mistreatment and fight for their cause, we should also be sure to cast a searching, skeptical eye on the money that Bush has pledged for rebuilding.

Ten billion dollars are about to pass into the sticky hands of politicians in the No. 1 and No. 3 most corrupt states in America. Worried about looting? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Originally published on September 4, 2005
by Errol Louis
 
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SDSteve: "You must be learning from SH how to respond. You sounded almost as arrogant as he usually does."

I have a real low tolerance for the lies and deception of R-CALF and their followers and that attitude is reflected in my posts. I'm sorry if that intolerance offends you. Too many ranchers have been lied to and deceived by these guys for far too long and frankly, I'm sick of it.

I would suggest you also look at the remarks that elicit my response as well as my response unless you want to expose a bias. Nobody has been called more nasty names on this site than I have as a result of simply presenting the truth on these issues. The truth really has a way of offending those who need to blame.

I respond in kind so don't set a higher standard for my posts than the posts I respond to.

Bottom line, if you don't like my posts, don't read them. I'm not going to sugar coat anything when responding to the lies and deception of "Liberal" R-CALF and their followers.

Other than that, have a nice day.

Carry on with the fuel discussion.


~SH~
 

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just somethin I thought ya'll might be interested in...fuel prices along I-20 just above all the hurricane disaster areas...along with fuel prices elsewhere.
http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm?state=ALL

and also another article on price gouging on fuel .... Hillary Clinton is calling for Pres Bush to act now
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/31/205458.shtml
 

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The Truth Will Come OUT!!!! I've been in contact with 3 SAR teams on the ground in the Biloxi and NO,LA areas so I'm as well informed as anybody. I never suggested everything went according to plan because during a disaster or war any fool can tell you NOTHING goes according to "plan."

I do object to people condemning actions based purely on fanatical anti-Bush rhetoric. Are you seriously suggesting that if this disaster had happened under Clinton's watch (or ANY other President for that matter) things would have been different? Better? If so you are clearly delusional.

One significant FACT is that the mayor and Governor were warned and ADVISED to start clearing the city 73 HOURS before the storm hit. NOAA knew the track and they knew 93 degree water in that part of the Gulf would drive it up to a Cat 4 or 5 - something they'd been warned about for DECADES! What did they do. Nothing for almost 48 hours! The evac notification was issued barely 24 hours before the storm hit. Was that Bush's fault? FEMA's?

FACT. It was local administrations responsible for putting the pumping stations in some of the lowest lying areas of the city in non-waterproof buildings. They failed as soon as they got wet. Again, this was clearly Bush's fault. FEMA's too! DUH!!

FACT. The mayor did NOT order the power turned off or the gas lines vented because he did not want to "inconvenience" the people who chose to break the law by staying. Electrocutions and fires were the result. BUSH & FEMA again. Damn them.

Fact: The mayor had OVER 2,000 buses available to take people out of the city. He didn't use them. He yelled at the relief efforts saying he needed buses. Sure he needed buses. All the ones he had were left to sink in the flood waters. Bush's fault? FEMA's?

FACT. Rescuers have so far removed 140,000 people from the city. The mayor estimated that only about 50K had stayed. Obviously BUSH or FEMA gave him the wrong information on HIS own city, yes? There are an estimated additional 50,000 who STILL will not leave. Could he have managed to remove more of the poor and disabled. Ya, if he'd acted when he was warned that a Cat 5 was headed his way. He could have started using those 2,000 + buses at his disposal and started 70 hours before Katrina hit land. Just maybe there wouldn't be quite so many bodies lying / floating around now if he'd done SOMETHING. Nagin on the other hand laid ALL the responsibility on Bush and FEMA.

FACT. The looting started 12 hours BEFORE the first dykes collapsed and neither the mayor nor the Governor had the sense to declare Martial Law. It was THEIR responsibility NOT Bush's or FEMA's at that point in time.

FACT. Nearly ALL of the EARLY looting was electronics and GUNS. They were NOT food stuffs and water.

FACT. From Biloxi west and all through the delta hardly one line of hydro or phone line poles remained upright. Cell towers are crumpled heaps of metal for the most part but you claim FEMA CUT the lines. Good. Post a link.

Just for some clarification here. I'm Canadian living IN Canada. I'm not politically affiliated to ANYTHING or ANY PARTY in the US. I just think it is ludicrous that the left wing vipers are turning this into a BUSH fiasco when NO President and NO country could come close to reacting this fast and with this much man-power and resources. They have tried to turn it into a racial thing which is to be expected. The Jacksons and the Sharptons of the world would be out of a job if we or the media were even allowed to notice that "that a shortage of white looters and snipers made looting and sniping look like black crime."

Quite frankly if the government told me there was a 34 FOOT storm surge with 175-mph winds headed my way and I lived in a town that was 15 feet below sea level in spots I would get my li'll white butt outta town and probably WELL before the useless mayor ordered it out too. If I didn't own a car I would bicycle. No bicycle I would have friggin well WALKED. If I couldn't WALK then and only then would I EXPECT my mayor to commandeer one of the 2,000+ buses at his disposal and give me a hand and NOT with mere minutes to go before it was too late too.

Clearly there have been some horrific screw ups associated with this storm and the aftermath. The main culprit of course was Katrina (KATRINA - NOT George) and abysmal planning on the part of people who have been advised for decades that this WOULD happen if a powerful enough storm hit. Those politicians are mostly to blame for the resulting disaster NOT the Pols in charge of cleaning up what's left or saving the 200,000 who chose to stay. Pointing fingers in ANY other direction is pure partisan politics.
 

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Just returned from Labor Day visit to N Illinois from ND. Drove pretty much the same route coming and going. C-Store approx 120 miles north of Twin Cities on Aug 31 had unleaded at $3.159, same station on Sept 6 had same unleaded at $2.899. Obviously more traffic was traveling this route before the Holiday. This appeared to be true price gouging at its finest. By the way, saw unleaded the highest at $3.359 and lowest at $2.859.
 

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