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The neighbors had their sale today-a few bulls to purebred outfits-BMR's bull guy bought the high seller- but majority sold from $3,000 to $10,000 to commercial outfits-I can't find my damn catalogue to figure the average. I bought a little handful of heifers. The good thing was probably 95% of bulls sold to neighbors or repeat customers.
 
Found it-Bowerman Bros. averaged 5100 on 37 two year olds-topped at 10,250 to a commercial guy. Nesset Lake averaged $3247 on 47 head mostly yearlings and a handful of twos-topped at $6500 to another commercial outfit. Bulls weren't fat yearlings were 11-1250 and two's were 17-1850lbs for the most part.
 
Sounds like a great sale! :D Glad they did well. But here's a question to ponder......... How could a commercial outfit justify spending $10250 on one bull? :???: If you run that bull for 4 years (which is normal where we operate) and he breeds 25 cows a year, each calf "Costs" $102.50 just from the bulls side of the equation. That doesn't included semen/trich testing every year or a feed bill. I understand purebred outifts spending a lot of money because they can collect bulls and breed lots of cows artifically. Same with a semen companies. But that ten grand could go a lot further if you bought 3 bulls at $3300. Just my two cents. :D Anyway, glad they had a great sale. What breed of bulls were they?
 
Why couldn't the commercial guy collect the bull and breed to him just the same as the registered guy could? Lots of guys here do that especially if its a calving ease bull for breeding heifers. Take 100 heifers, AI get 70 bred turn the bull in with them and he breeds 100 head in a 60 day season.
 
cleland said:
Why couldn't the commercial guy collect the bull and breed to him just the same as the registered guy could? Lots of guys here do that especially if its a calving ease bull for breeding heifers. Take 100 heifers, AI get 70 bred turn the bull in with them and he breeds 100 head in a 60 day season.
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I guess a commercial guy could collect and AI like you said. Just havent saw many guys do it. A bull would never breed 100 cows in this country if you gave him 180 days. Its too broke up and rough. 25 is about all you can count on. Without enough bull power, the opens and lates really add up.
 
with the cattle prices as high as they are and bulls at only a 5000 dollar average,maybe a guy should buy a trailer load at a time.

i was always told if you could NOT make money on one,why would you buy a hundred?
and if you Could make money on one,then buy a hundred.

just ponder'n
 
Where were you sitting Just Ranchin? Both those outfits cut their teeth in the commercial business for a long time before they ever bought a purebred. The high price paid could be a tax situation or maybe Stan just decided he really wanted that bull-he's bought several from them over the years.
 
We went to Sellmans bull sale today. They averaged a little over 3900 on 109 bulls. 88 healing angus, a few 2's, 8 sim-angus, and 13 herefords. We wanted one of the sim-angus bulls sired byranch hand but they were to rich for our blood. Did get an angus out of day break.
 
leanin' H said:
Sounds like a great sale! :D Glad they did well. But here's a question to ponder......... How could a commercial outfit justify spending $10250 on one bull? :???: If you run that bull for 4 years (which is normal where we operate) and he breeds 25 cows a year, each calf "Costs" $102.50 just from the bulls side of the equation. That doesn't included semen/trich testing every year or a feed bill. I understand purebred outifts spending a lot of money because they can collect bulls and breed lots of cows artifically. Same with a semen companies. But that ten grand could go a lot further if you bought 3 bulls at $3300. Just my two cents. :D Anyway, glad they had a great sale. What breed of bulls were they?
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I think that a commercial outfit can justify spending the extra dollars on a bull if he'll leave behind the right kind of females. Just take your scenario of 25 calves a year for 4 years, thats a 100 calves total but 50 heifers. If we can get 60% of his daughters to produce an average of just 8 calves in their lifetime thats 240 more higher quality calves, not to mention the females that would be retained from them. At least he spent his money on genetics and not feed or equipment. Anyway, just my opinion too.
 
It seems like a good opportunity to shop around, and attend smaller sales this spring. I've found there are some very good bulls for sale, for a lot less money out there :wink: .
 
Progressive Commercial cattleman, are always spending top dollar on good bulls. They will even spend top dollar on Replacement females and Bred Females.

I have agreed with the comments made about why they would be willing to spend so much.

AI is one of the bigger reasons, collect your own bull and breed to lots of heifers and cows in a few years time and easily pay for a bull

Keep daughters, very valuable commodity if they turn out right.
 
IF they turn out right. I've seen situations where a guy spent a lot of money on a bull, had him collected, used him a lot, heifers didn't turn out and then he was reluctant to quit using him because he had so much invested. By the time you've figured out your mistake you've lost a lot of years and progress.
 
Some of the most expensive cattle I've owned were the cheapest to buy! The guy who bought him discovered the Old Post bull that has everyone's heart a flutter so he can tell a good one-he ended up getting four bulls for $25,000 all half brothers. If that set of bulls breeds more cows for more years than the average ox they amortization gets better. But maybe he had the money to buy the bulls he wanted so he did-like WV said those genetic term deposits can pay dividends for a long time. On the other side of the coin a buddy put a heck of a set of bulls together at about the sale average-he's got a good eye and is thrifty.
 
Your better off AI'ing to a proven bull get some calves keep the heifers if they turn out THEN use the bull again on your best cows and keep your own bulls. But being that takes time most are all caught up in the commotion of the next big thing and they can't move fast enough to perpetuate the commotion. In the end no matter what we do we can't wreck them all. If you guys are money concious My sale is April 11th and I would bet they will be reasonable in price.
 
Big Swede nothing cheers the heart more than throwing a few hundred units out of the tank-it's compensated by having some banked if calamity befalls a cowmaker. I get most bulls collected at least for inherd-it doesn't cost alot more than insurance-we can lose a bull in the bush and not even find him let alone make an insurance claim.
 
That's a good point Northern. I can't even imagine how thick some of your stuff is. Grows big whitetails though from what I hear. :wink:
 
Northern Rancher said:
Some of the most expensive cattle I've owned were the cheapest to buy! The guy who bought him discovered the Old Post bull that has everyone's heart a flutter so he can tell a good one-he ended up getting four bulls for $25,000 all half brothers. If that set of bulls breeds more cows for more years than the average ox they amortization gets better. But maybe he had the money to buy the bulls he wanted so he did-like WV said those genetic term deposits can pay dividends for a long time. On the other side of the coin a buddy put a heck of a set of bulls together at about the sale average-he's got a good eye and is thrifty.
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NR if you're talking about JJH...it wan't his $$$ to spend, it never is, the sale was good, but the averages aren't quite as high as your 1st quote
 

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