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Grazing not good

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Pressure and reduce the habitat and then blame ranching for its downfall.

Study: Grazing threatens wildlife habitat in West
at 6:41 on May 1, 2009, EDT.
SCOTT SONNER, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
RENO, Nev. - Conservationists say livestock grazing poses a threat to a wide variety of fish and other wildlife across more than three-fourths of their dwindling habitats on federal land in the West.



Using satellite mapping and federal records, WildEarth Guardians began a study last year matching wildlife habitat and U.S. grazing allotments across more than 260 million acres of federal land in the West.



It includes practically all of the remaining habitat of the Greater sage grouse, a hen-sized game bird the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is considering adding to the list of threatened or endangered species in 11 Western states from California to Wyoming. The environmental group wants the bird protected.



"The results confirm - in graphic form - previous research finding that incessant, ubiquitous public lands grazing has contributed to the decline of native wildlife," concludes the report entitled "Western Wildlife Under Hoof." The report is scheduled to be released Friday.



The group said continued grazing in ever-shrinking habitat hampers the recovery of fish and wildlife and in some cases threatens them with extinction.



Cattle and sheep trample vegetation, damage soil, spread invasive weeds, spoil water and deprive native wildlife of forage, the report said. It notes that then-Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt said in 2005 that livestock grazing "is the most damaging use of public land."



Mark Salvo, WildEarth Guardians' grazing program specialist and author of the report, said the new data suggest livestock have "done more damage to the Earth than the chain saw and bulldozer combined."



Jeff Eisenberg, director of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, criticized the findings as part of an effort to shut down grazing on federal lands.



"There's a number of environmental groups that have decided the best way to spend their time and the money of their funders is to eliminate the families and communities that have made the West what it is today," he told AP in an e-mail. "These groups don't deserve a dignified response."



Don Kirby, president of the Society for Range Management and director of North Dakota State University's School of Natural Resource Sciences, said livestock grazing is an important part of a "landscape management toolbox" that can be used to reduce wildfires and improve wildlife habitat.



"Western rangelands and the wildlife species that live there have coexisted with grazing by large herbivores for tens of thousands of years," Kirby said.



The report found livestock grazing is permitted on 91 per cent of the Greater sage grouse's habitat and that grazing operations are active on 72 per cent of the habitat. Grazing is active on 55 per cent of the federal range of the Gunnison sage grouse and is permitted on 84 per cent of it.



Likewise, grazing is permitted on about 80 per cent of public land in the historic range of several cutthroat trout species, including 88 per cent of the Lahontan and 76 per cent of the Bonneville.



It's also permitted on about 75 per cent of the federal habitat of four species of prairie dogs.



"The species included in our report are representative of the hundreds of wildlife species that are threatened by public lands grazing," said Salvo, whose group has offices in Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona.



The bulk of the federal land studied is managed by the Bureau of Land Management, which issued grazing permits and leases to 15,799 ranchers and other operators covering 128 million acres of U.S. land in 2006.



BLM spokesman Jeff Krauss said the agency has not fully reviewed the report but maintains "well-managed grazing provides numerous ecological and environmental benefits."



Among other things, WildEarth Guardians recommends buying out permits from ranchers and others willing to remove their livestock from grazing land.



"There is a greater economic value in non-consumptive uses of public land - hunting, fishing, birdwatching, hiking, camping - than livestock grazing," the report said.



The Nevada Department of Wildlife shares concerns about dwindling wildlife populations but believes there is a place for grazing on public land, spokesman Chris Healy said.



If ranchers end up selling their land, it could be subdivided and lead to development even more problematic for wildlife, he said.



"It behooves us to get everybody who uses the land to be part of the solution and that's what we've been trying to do with the sage grouse. If one sector or user of the land feels like they are being ganged up on, the odds of coming up with a solution that will work are not good," he said.



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What a one sided croc of bull! Grazing, when applied properly, is a tremendous tool for habitat improvment! Are there overgrazers? Sure. But they make up a tiny percentage of land users, both private and public. Range Magazine published a study that showed by halting grazing along a stream in Arizona, an indangered fish was almost wiped out! The other fish that liked cooler, shaded water moved into the habitat and preyed on the indangered fish. Our allotment is filled with small natural burns and large tracts of chained areas where the trees were removed and grass planted for grazing. Guess where we guide hunters every fall? On the areas cattle graze! The wildlife follow the cows looking for regrowth. Not to mention the hundreds of miles of pipelines and troughs installed that all critters drink from. These tree hugging, bambi loving, do-gooders are simply using one small and prejudiced study to further their agenda of banishing public grazing through out the west. And the guy sitting in the Whitehouse can't wait to help them! :mad: I need a Pepsi! :roll: :wink: :D
 
Sorry about the blood pressure H. I was still boiling so didn't want to comment too much. I aways thought that ranchers were the original environmentalists, our livelihood depends on it. And right along with us are the hunters, their sport depends on it.
 
Hunting, fishing, birdwatching camping currently coexist with grazing public lands and often damage vegitation worse than grazing. Proper grazing certainly is a useful range improvement tool, and ranchers experience and expertise should be utilized for the betterment of our public lands. Issues like this are why all should belong to local, state and national cattlemens organizations. Just because you don't have an interest in politics doesn't mean politics is not interested in you.
 
This post prompted me to join this discussion. I am a third generation rancher. Over 70 years in the business. We currently graze two federal grazing permits, have had them for a long time. These wacky groups are a very serious problem. They are very misinformed, they are hate based and they are killing this country and this business. I hear the word 'overgrazing" and it makes me sick. Our pastures are on rotation, scheduled by the USFS you move when they say and they manage this very strickly. This whole topic is a sore spot for me. You want talk about damage and overgrazing take a look at the elk. Elk are opportunistic grazers, they get the young spring grass and there are thousands and thousands of them. Where is the concern about these hairy large goats, they tear down my fences and eat the grass and drink my water on my deeded land where is the outcry from these enviro wackies? I clean more tanks, provide more water and manage the land better than any of these groups ever could. I love this business and the country I work.
 
Yeehaw! Here they come again. I've already dealt with a similar group, and our lawsuit ended up at the 10th circuit court of appeals... where our side won, AGAIN! Make no mistake, these lawsuits have NOTHING to do with the environment, or grazing. Please re-read the last sentence. This has more to do with property rights than anything else. I lived the hell and can tell you first hand this is true.

They mention WildEarth Guardians... the "whore" they used in our lawsuit is now is being pimped out by this group...same person, filing similar lawsuits. It makes you sick to see how many lawsuits these idiots file, which costs them essentially the cost of a stamp since most of their legal work is done for free. Then, if they happen to win a lawsuit, they can ask for legal fees... which is where they make BIG money off of these lawsuits.

Sick, oh yes! And you and I are both paying to defend against these suits, and paying again if they happen to win.
 
I visited the 4 corners area and the national parks back in 1994. The best looking land was under private management with the parks dying for old unused grass and bare ground. Most national parks and monuments in the west should be grazed to promote ecosystem health and wildlife diversity. The fileds around here that are rested/unmanaged do not improve or grow back to trees overtime.

Where are these enviromentalist when the big cities are sucking the land dry of water?
 
I can tell ya' first hand these "Loonies" can't be reasoned with or consoled,we have plenty of them in this state,i tell you.I have no problem with folks that are true conservationist of the land as we all are,but most of these kids they have on the front lines of their radical "Zero Grazing Crusade" Could'nt tell what good land conservation entails.They set up thier ironing boards on the streets of every city,trying to coarse and persuade every city slicker that's three or four generations removed from the land , that ranchers are out there running wild and amuck with the public land,and they need to stop us folks by any means with no use laws,lawsuits and other such frivolous b.s .And now thier targeting our private land also.That applies to ranching,farming,logging,and anything else you can think of,unbelieveable :x .Phony acqusations and reasoning really piss this guy off :mad:.The Forest Service and thier mis managed forests, seeing bigger and hotter fire then every before,dead and dying trees,heavy ground litter,with choked streams,and BLM with thier mis managed horse herds,decadent grass ranges that also are seeing an increase in fire intensity,encroachment of juniper,and white sage should be running to embrace the rancher for managing thier land with the care and understanding only a person whom works,knows and spends time on a piece of ground can do.And pays to do it,ta' boot.And here i was enjoying my coffee :wink:
 
If I can ever figure out how to send pics in, I can graphically show before and after pictures showing the effects of grazing (or lack thereof) on the coastal prairies (or former prairies) here on the Gulf Coast of Southeast TX. The more commercially valuable land here becomes, the more it turns to CRAP because it is often allowed just to sit there with nothing done to it or on it till the bulldozers arrive. Good grazing practices keep many invasive plant species out or at least under control. We have an invader tree species called the "Chinese Tallow" that will TOTALLY take over. Places that were open for miles across when I was a kid, even a young adult are now covered with a practically impenetrable jungle. If anyone ever shows up with a fast-growing shade tree by that name, shoot em on the spot and burn their truck to the ground. (not really but DO destroy the dad gum tree)In the woods not far from where I live, a mix of different kinds of oaks, BIG cedar trees and loblolly pine growing along the bayou is now a dense tangle of wait-a minute vines, the aforementioned invader trees, etc. When cattle were grazing in those woods-pastures, they were clear, open, thickly-grassed under-story. Sorry to be long-winded but it's a war I wish we could reclaim ground from.
 
I think that grassland management can be boiled down to a simple axiom. Golf course managers will tell you that if you want to have good and healthy grass, you gotta mow it frequently. Now, since public lands in the west don't get a daily watering like golf courses do, you just have to adjust the frequency of the "mowing". Translate that to "managed grazing".

Seems simple to this dim-whit. :wink:

HP
 
Alan Savory, a biologist and ex rancher from Rhodesia, has resached this problem for over 40 years, his centre for holistic management has trained ranchers and farmers all over the world with documented sucess wherever it has been properly practised;
http://holisticmanagement.org/
 
To me, this is one more reason to stay on top of what we do and how we do it. Auction markets, farms, packing plants, anywhere they can sneak a camera, they'll get undercover footage and post it to YouTube. There are plenty of public lands continuously grazed and made to look like astroturf. Then the majority are well managed and healthy eco-systems. These loony bas___ds get pics of the ones that are stripped bare, and use that as ammunition for their propaganda.

We know what we do, and who we are. If things like this come out, we need to fire ammo right back, defending our position as stewards of the land. Call our Gov't reps or producer groups and make sure they counter these press releases with one of their own.
 
Bozeman, Mt. has become home to eviro-whackos.

There was a good article in the paper several years ago about
a test grazing vs. non grazing that was done--don't remember by who--
in regards to the elk herds.

They got a big suprise!! They had designated part of the mountain
'non grazing' and allowed no cattle to graze there. This trial went on
for about 3 years. What they found, :lol: :lol: :lol: was the elk
grazed BEHIND the cattle. They wouldn't go into the non-grazed area.
It was a great article in the Bozeman Chronicle.
 
FH the problem is that these people choose research (no matter how "dodgy") that supports their view, and ignore well documented, properly observed research that proves the opposite opinion. The plethora of research into the use of cattle to stimulate grass recovery in game reserves and mixed catle/game ranches in Africa were summarily dismissed as "not being relevent to North America!"
 

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