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Head Shy

Jassy

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Got a 8yr old gelding that is extremly head/ear shy...took him to a chiropracter right away and he was out a little...but now it is getting worse to get him bridled...he acts like someone beat him on the ears...he even throws a fit when your riding him and try to lean over and pet his neck...but once bridled he don't throw his head or fight the bit at all...so have been gently messing with his head trying to get him use to being touched,,what other ideas could we try? Thanks
 
My old Appy did the same thing for a long time when I first got him. Come to find out he'd been handled pretty rough when he was heading and heeling with the guy I bought him from.

I just took my time...and it took a LOT OF TIME and patience and I just kept working a light throw rope at first....then I'd switch to the bridle, let him smell it etc. Apparently the guys who had him and to corner him and had practically wrestle him to get it on him...but once on he was A#1! I didn't want to go through such gyrations every time.

When he was good, I'd reward him with a treat. I didn't push him and in about 3 weeks , it was over and done with.

Good luck cause a head shy horse can be a scary thing!
 
jassy
kola is right on about how to help this problem
my self
i get another saddle horse and pony them and play with them
i start with the lead rope just pitching it over their head and wrapping around their neck and then off again
then if i can get them to stand for that i will side pass my horse up to them and take the loose end of the lead rope or a tie string and pull it up over their ears sevaral times till they lower their head and relax while i do it
then i take the halter off and put it on like it is a hackamore just loose the knot and pull it over their ears gently
i do this from a saddle horse so i'm up higher and don't get as tierd holding my arms up for a long time while working
that and i'm lazy i like to sit while i'm working
hope this helps
jerry
 
We had a gentle breeze of about 30 mph yesterday when we was at a branding and my horse got slapped a couple times from the loop in the branding pen. Sure made him headshy, but I just kept on swinging my loop so he could see it wasn't going to happen everytime. He's still bothered a little by it, but will get better in time. Patience is the key and consistent helps also.
 
My horseman friend, Tom Wagoner says about head shy horses that
you need to run your hand up their neck, rubbing it as you go. You will
get to a spot when it starts to bother them. When you get there, go
back down their neck rubbing it. Then go back up their neck and eventually you can go further and further and they will get over it.
But if ears are the problem, don't address the ears, go up the neck
first.

And I wonder if your horse might have mites or something in
his ears, Jassy. That would make him headshy. But it is hard to
check when they don't want you messing with their ears. I've
sure seen some horses with 'buggy ears.'

And I agree with Jerry, unbuckle your bridle before putting it
on, so as not to aggravate the situation.

Anyway, GOOD LUCK!! Not fun having a head shy horse.
 
Thanks for all your suggestions...when the chiropracter worked on him, he did check his ears and they looked ok...or so he said...I like the idea of yurs Jerry working from horseback, cause he is a tall horse and it has been frustrating from the ground. I'd like to smack the person who did whatever to him, to make him so head shy...I'm pretty sure it wasn't a rope since he was sold to us as never been roped off of...Time is probably the best cure...but sure makes it hard when we're using him everyday right now...and ya all know how it is...saddle up and ride...cause daylights a wastin....lol Thanks again.
 
Hold the bit in your hand with a small treat under it..
when you can ,gently rub the ears inside and out,,take your time let the poor fellow know things have changed for the better..
 
This does not have to be a result of poor handling. I have personally had a couple of horses who got really head/ear shy and if anything, I am too careful when handling them. Both of these horses were out of the same mare who was very touchy around her head, so I have wondered if it could be hereditary. I used some of the techniques mentioned by FH and Jerry, but never really got them over it, only good enough to get them bridled without a big fight. I agree, it is an awful problem to have.
 
I would bet he was handled rough.There is a guy here who's horses are all that way takes years to straighten them out after he's done with them.

My horse was a bit tough to bridle when I got him but he's fine now Gentle hands will prevail.
 
A woman who raises horses in W. Montana leaves the halter and lead
ropes on all her colts during the fall, for quite a long time. They step
on their own ropes and step on each other's ropes as they drag on
the ground.

All those colts wind up headshy. People think it is genetic in her
horses. I think not.
 
jassy
i had another thought about your problem yesterday when i was working on halter breaking one of my two year olds
i was having alot the same problem as you described
so what i did with this colt was take a small peice of rope and got it up pretty close behind his ears and worked it back and forth some until he lowered his head and turned it toward me and then i repeated the prosses evry time he raised his head or moved it away from me
and when he stood quiet for me to rub him around his ears and down his face from the top and would give to the presure of my arm on his poll i then put the halter on him and went to working on other things

if you watched the movie "the horse whisperer" the man in that movie did the exact same thing to the sorrel horse that belonged to the little girl

also in that movie they laid that horse down to work with him
i dod this to evrey horse that comes here
it has a major calming effect on them when it's done correctly
and what you do after you get them on the ground makes alot of diffence also
if it does not have a clming effect in my opinion you are not doing it right
any how if you lay this hose down and spend alot of time petting and playing with his ears,head and neck when he gets up i bet you can bridle him easyer than before
and also while he is down you can put the bit in his mouth and the head stall over his ears
i would make the head stall looser than normal so it will go on and off easyer while on the ground

if he was trowing his heas alot and fighting the bit i would have his teeth checked
but you said he was not so this was just another thought

these are just my opinion and they are only worth what they cost you
i have come up with very little of these training metods on my own
i learned them from horsemen and cowboys her and yonder
hope this helps
until later
jerry
 
Faster horses said:
And I wonder if your horse might have mites or something in
his ears, Jassy. That would make him headshy. But it is hard to
check when they don't want you messing with their ears. I've
sure seen some horses with 'buggy ears.'

I've had a few with warts in their ears too. I had a vet that put some wart medication in one horse's ears while he was tranq'd for dental work... I'm not sure what the stuff was, but it didn't help. They turned into open sores and I couldn't put a bridle on him for about 3 weeks afterwards.
 
Thanks for your ideas everyone...Now we did try your advice Jerry and worked with him from horseback,,,and after a couple of blowups, he got lots better,,in fact he lowered his head instead of throwing it up like he did when we were are the ground...He tolerated being rubbed around the ears and around the bridle path of his neck...so right after that, we bridled him and got along pretty decent...at least he lowered his head more than before...so I'm thinking this will work with some more time. We also have resorted to bridling him in the trailer before we unload, for some reason he stays alot quieter in there...so I think we've made sum progress in the last couple of days...Thanks again!
 
jassy
that sounds good maybe your making proggress
be carfull bridleing him in the trailer if it has a top on it
i promise it hurts when a horse throws his head up and hits the top of the trailer with you hand inbetween his head and the roof of the trailer
trust me
you don't want to experince that
until later
jerry
 
Lol...I guess I should refrase my statements...HUBBY...not "we"...is doing most of the work..lol Yes, I totally agree about the trailer danger...I really don't like it, but it's like he knows he can't throw his head, and stands good, hopefully we can get him back outside where it's safer for hubby and the horse soon...Thanks again Jerry! :)
 
they laid that horse down to work with him
i dod this to evrey horse that comes here
it has a major calming effect on them when it's done correctly

I've seen this done & have been told the same thing about the calming effect. Not to start an arguement, but that seems to run against the grain of a horses defense mechanism. A horse is a animal of flight & I would think that layin one down would frighten it even more. Maybe there's something I missing here, but I honestly don't understand the logic to this method.
 
Hooks said:
they laid that horse down to work with him
i dod this to evrey horse that comes here
it has a major calming effect on them when it's done correctly

I've seen this done & have been told the same thing about the calming effect. Not to start an arguement, but that seems to run against the grain of a horses defense mechanism. A horse is a animal of flight & I would think that layin one down would frighten it even more. Maybe there's something I missing here, but I honestly don't understand the logic to this method.

Ever watch Discovery or one of the channels with the animal shows? When the lions get a grazer down, they quit struggling and just become passive to what is happening to them.

Same thing in a horse, but instead of eating him, you show him you won't hurt him, so he can learn to trust you. It's also a dominance thing.

As said before, it needs to be done correctly.

Kind of like the round pen training. Too many just think all you do, is run them around and around and a miracle happens. You need to understand wht is going on and the why's and wherefores of the method, to get good results. Otherwise your just teaching them to run in mindless circles.

I've roped lots of feet on my horses and taught them to yeild to pressure, so when/if they get in wire, they don't get scared and cut themselves up. But it has to be done correcdtly or it will cause more harm than good.

If dnen properly it establish's a relief from pressure result, to set up all the basics for the training to come.

Too many people watch these clinicians and don't really understand what is going on. I have studied it for years and still have trouble making all this stuff work consistently. 'Course, I'm kind of slow. But it's gettin better. :wink:
 
bravo jb
that was well put
i do most all those same things for the same reasons
knowledge is the key to sucsess when it comes to training an animal or a person
i belive you just have to be smarter than they are to get them to do things the way you want them to
and i don't remember learning anything from being hit
except how to duck
until later
jerry
 
Jerry H said:
bravo jb
that was well put
i do most all those same things for the same reasons
knowledge is the key to sucsess when it comes to training an animal or a person
i belive you just have to be smarter than they are to get them to do things the way you want them to
and i don't remember learning anything from being hit
except how to duck
until later
jerry

Well you know what they say, great minds think alike. :wink: :D

I agree, about the hitting, trouble is, I'm too slow to duck most times. :cry:
 
jb
i'm just glad to have a mind left that works after all the times iv;e landed on my head for somthing that should not have in the first place
"the more times you hit the ground the better your ground work will get"
clinton anderson quating a trainer in aust.
until later
jerry
 

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