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Head Shy

Well JB, thats an interesting analogy.
I'm fairly familiar with the theory of pressure and the rewarding relief from it. Pretty much how I try and go about workin with horses myself. I also realized along time ago that I wasn't big enough to out fight 'em, so I had to learn to out think 'em. I guess thats why I'm havin such a hard time understanding the principle of "laying one down". I can't believe the horse is going to undertand it or like it. I guess I've never been put in the position of having to apply that much pressure to get a horse to respond to something I'm asking him to do or understand. And believe me, for that I'm grateful. But anyway, thanks for your response, its given me a different perspective on the matter and a little better understanding of the concept.
BTW the deal on the grazer becomin passive when brought down by the lion, I think its called shock :wink:
 
Laying a horse down can be a useful tool WHEN DONE CORRECTLY.

I saw Pat Parelli lay a horse down that was running off and
was going to hurt his owner.
He cured him of running off by laying him down. It was in 1992, before Pat got so commercialized and was still married to his first wife.
He did it outside, and not in an arena situation. It was really cool to
watch. Pat has gotten off track these past years, IMO, but he
is a HAND, no doubt about it.
 
Hooks said:
Well JB, thats an interesting analogy.
I'm fairly familiar with the theory of pressure and the rewarding relief from it. Pretty much how I try and go about workin with horses myself. I also realized along time ago that I wasn't big enough to out fight 'em, so I had to learn to out think 'em. I guess thats why I'm havin such a hard time understanding the principle of "laying one down". I can't believe the horse is going to undertand it or like it. I guess I've never been put in the position of having to apply that much pressure to get a horse to respond to something I'm asking him to do or understand. And believe me, for that I'm grateful. But anyway, thanks for your response, its given me a different perspective on the matter and a little better understanding of the concept.
BTW the deal on the grazer becomin passive when brought down by the lion, I think its called shock :wink:
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All I know is that if you get one that is afraid of you or thinks they are bigger and tougher than you, you can get some real attitude adjustment by laying one down.

But it has to be done right! I can't stress that enough and wouldn't want anyone to try it unless they had seen it done properly and thouroughly understood all the ramifacations of it.

And I don't think it's purely shock either, on the wild animal deal. I saw one where they had about given up and were accepting their fate and got away. It was pretty cool.

When you lay a horse down, they are not in shock. they are under your command and when they realize it and find out you aren't going to hurt them, it's big medicine. And you don't leave them laying down for very long.

Please don't misunderstand this tool and do it wrong. You will cause more trouble than what you have now.
As they say on TV, "Please don't try this at home!"
 
Faster,
I think Pat has to be really careful what he does. People go home and try to copy him and then end up in rather big do do. Also I'm fairly sure he has groups like Peta and the SPCA watching for him to mess up. I think most of the good trainers have " behind the barn" techniques that the would never show the bunny huggers :)

Hey have you seen Jonathan Fields? Now that's a guy who can train a horse !:) And frankly even if you not there for the clinic it's nice to watch him walking away from you :wink:
 
Please don't misunderstand this tool and do it wrong. You will cause more trouble than what you have now.
As they say on TV, "Please don't try this at home!"
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And as they said in some movie, "a man has got to understand his limitations". And on this issue, I really understand my limitations! :wink:
I haven't been to any clinics, but I've read most everything that I can get my hands on. But the stuff that seems to settle in the best is that which I've gotten by listenin to folks, such as yourself, that deal with it everyday.I guess it has something to do with having time to digest it and discuss it. (not bein the brightest bulb in the room-takes me awhile to understand).
That being said, if I get to the end of a rope that I cant dally on, I'll definitely call in the calvary for assistance.
 
Hooks said:
Please don't misunderstand this tool and do it wrong. You will cause more trouble than what you have now.
As they say on TV, "Please don't try this at home!"
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And as they said in some movie, "a man has got to understand his limitations". And on this issue, I really understand my limitations! :wink:
I haven't been to any clinics, but I've read most everything that I can get my hands on. But the stuff that seems to settle in the best is that which I've gotten by listenin to folks, such as yourself, that deal with it everyday.I guess it has something to do with having time to digest it and discuss it. (not bein the brightest bulb in the room-takes me awhile to understand).
That being said, if I get to the end of a rope that I cant dally on, I'll definitely call in the calvary for assistance.
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Sorry, I wasn't speaking just to you but to anyone who might be reading this thread. But thank you for letting me know you won't get in a wreck. I've been real lucky in having a few real good people around who can explain a lot of this stuff over and over and over.. Some of it is finally sinking in, but only about 20%? :x
 
Faster horses said:
:agree:

I hear you JB. I've heard something from a respected horse
person and it might be 5 years later before I really understood
what they meant. :nod:

But it still is a lot of fun when the light comes on!!! :idea:
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Everytime I watch one of these guys do a clinic, my forehead hurts from whacking it and say, "Duh!".

If I could retain what I am told, I think I might be kind'a smart. But I can't. :(
 
Update...things are looking better for the horse...I found that brushin him gets him more use to being messed around the ears...so we are making good progress...this morning it was cool and he was a little goosey, but hubby still got him bridled ok...so thanks for all the words of wisdom!
 
Jassy said:
Update...things are looking better for the horse...I found that brushin him gets him more use to being messed around the ears...so we are making good progress...this morning it was cool and he was a little goosey, but hubby still got him bridled ok...so thanks for all the words of wisdom!
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Good to hear. :) Thanks for the update.
 
jassy
glad to hear you are getting along with him
that head shy deal can go backwards faster than it got better so be carful and i bet you end up with a nice horse
until later
jerry
 

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