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[Econ101]

If you had read the article on Abramoff and Scanlon in the Wall Street Journal (Fri. 4-01-06 front page story) you could easily connect the dots of abuse of power in the the case mentioned above and the Abramoff deal. I am not saying the cases are related, except the abuse of power issues.

We currently have people in our government who do not respect the rule of law and who are using their government offices to corrupt our country. It is happening to individuals now and to me is very concerning. The USDA not holding JoAnn Waterfield accountable is just one example of how people in power are overstepping their bounds and there is no accountability by our elected officials.

 

[Happy go lucky]

Econ, your foregtting that mexicans will do the very work 1,000's of US people will not do for 7.00-9.00 per hr! They would rather collect close to the same on unemployment or float job to job at 11.00-13.00 seasonal or temp. There is a thing called compition and when you have x numbers of companys in a town all offering the same service then you need to have fixed labor cost. There must be a profit for the business owner or no incentive to be in business. Also alot can under cut bigger companys by running things from there house or have less in overhead.

I have hired many mexicans in the past and they will flat out work any 18-26 year old american kid that thinks 7.00-9.00 is poor wages. Yet many have no college education and no real work ethic.

The price on many things would certainly rise if no immigration occured as then the wages would have to rise to meet the demands of the American workforce or sacrafice quality in work and materials. To keep cost fixed or have the profit there for business that makes their money on number of jobs sold and completed, versus higher cost and less jobs.

People have little loyalty anymore and the price is the bottom line in many facets of industry and installation based businesses.

 

[T3023]

I don't believe it is all about just loyalty. It has a lot to do with appreciation in the work force and giving raises for jobs well done or promotions with that raise. Some kind of recognition for being loyal and a devoted employee. Today's corporate world the employee is a throw away. Not all kids are lazy but some learn how to do it. They learn to milk the pay check and so do the immigrants. Once they figure out the game they all play it reguardless of their nationality.

You heard the story about the housing project or the soup line. Several different versions of it. Why give them a bowl of soup when you can give them the ingredients and have them make their own. Same with building projects..... it is the governments way of devaluing the dollar. Basic rule of thumb, "flood the market with so much paper it becomes worthless. If we are going to be a third world country lets do it with our own and keep the country free.


An "Associate" (corporate language) as you will notice on most of the name tags when you walk into Wal-mart or any other corporation are no longer an asset but a resource/consumable commodity, used and thrown away. So when your child gets old enough to begin a working career, they get dumped on, over worked, under paid and the work ethic is no longer important. Then most of your youth learn to stand around because if they stand long enough the work gets done but they have not lifted a finger. It's called playing the game. When everyone works you work....when everyone stands around ....you stand around too!



Teamwork is what made this country and teamwork will keep this country.

Sovereign Man
No republicans or demactrats
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[bse-tester]

RobertMac wrote:
This is what a global economy is all about...there is no USA or Canadian or Australian beef...it's all Cargill beef.

Remember what I posted about that meeting I attended here in Edmonton, Alberta in 2003, in which Dr. Bob Church, the man who has the ear of the Alberta Government and I suspect, the CFIA, leaned across the table and told me straight to my face - "We in Canada will not test the entire Canadian herd unless Cargill and Tyson agree to it. Until then, it simply is not going to happen!"

That gentlemen, sums it all up for me. The Governments here in Canada are not only catering to the major processing plants like Cargill and Tyson, they are basically allowing them to dictate to the government what the official government policy will actually be with respect to BSE testing!! That guys, and ladies, is nothing short of a damn conspiracy in my books. But then, that is just my opinion of course.

 

[Sandhusker]

RobertMac wrote:
This is what a global economy is all about...there is no USA or Canadian or Australian beef...it's all Cargill beef.

Remember what I posted about that meeting I attended here in Edmonton, Alberta in 2003, in which Dr. Bob Church, the man who has the ear of the Alberta Government and I suspect, the CFIA, leaned across the table and told me straight to my face - "We in Canada will not test the entire Canadian herd unless Cargill and Tyson agree to it. Until then, it simply is not going to happen!"

That gentlemen, sums it all up for me. The Governments here in Canada are not only catering to the major processing plants like Cargill and Tyson, they are basically allowing them to dictate to the government what the official government policy will actually be with respect to BSE testing!! That guys, and ladies, is nothing short of a damn conspiracy in my books. But then, that is just my opinion of course.

It's called agency capture, tester. There's a few regular posters from down here that refuse to believe such a thing could happen in spite of all the evidence pointing to exactly that. You've heard it straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[Jinglebob]

I could tolerate people coming to America better if they would learn our language and abide by our laws. Here there is total disregard for our laws by illegals. That might be different in other states, I don't know.

Funny, I'll bet this is just what the native americans said, when the trickle turned into a flood of pilgrims. :???:

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "But, but, I was told on this very site that the more the packers made, the more they could pay us. You mean to tell me that they aren't tithing profits back to US producers? How can they expand in other countries if they only make $5 something a head?"

But, but if packers are making so much money, why can't smaller, less efficient packing companies compete? It's not like cattle procurement is a problem when some of these smaller failed packing companies had their own "CAPTIVE SUPPLY" of cattle??? Must be another one of those conflicting R-CULT arguments again. There's no competition but smaller companies can't compete.

I guess the fact that live cattle markets track with boxed beef prices must be one of those figments of our imagination. Sandbag's "ILLUSIONS" are much greater than actual boxed beef/live cattle price charts.

Keep creating your "ILLUSIONS" Sandhusker but you sure have a miserable track record in the court room.

Why don't you packer blaming chronic bitchers open up your own packing company? If you are so convinced packers are making all this money, why can't you put your money where your packer blaming mouth is?

Because "TALK IS CHEAP", that's why!


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Sandbag: "But, but, I was told on this very site that the more the packers made, the more they could pay us. You mean to tell me that they aren't tithing profits back to US producers? How can they expand in other countries if they only make $5 something a head?"

But, but if packers are making so much money, why can't smaller, less efficient packing companies compete? It's not like cattle procurement is a problem when some of these smaller failed packing companies had their own "CAPTIVE SUPPLY" of cattle??? Must be another one of those conflicting R-CULT arguments again. There's no competition but smaller companies can't compete.

I guess the fact that live cattle markets track with boxed beef prices must be one of those figments of our imagination. Sandbag's "ILLUSIONS" are much greater than actual boxed beef/live cattle price charts.

Keep creating your "ILLUSIONS" Sandhusker but you sure have a miserable track record in the court room.

Why don't you packer blaming chronic bitchers open up your own packing company? If you are so convinced packers are making all this money, why can't you put your money where your packer blaming mouth is?

Because "TALK IS CHEAP", that's why!


~SH~

In our area some of the packing plants were regulated out of the business by guess who----the USDA. These were regulations enforced upon smaller packing companies that were not enforced on larger ones. This information comes from the past vp in the cattle organization in the state.

Bse tester is right, the packers are running policy and it is hurting the producers, both in the U.S. and in Canada, regardless of what SH says.

 

[Anonymous]

The facts are still the facts regardless what packer blamers like Conman want to believe.


~SH~

 

[mrj]

Sandbag: "But, but, I was told on this very site that the more the packers made, the more they could pay us. You mean to tell me that they aren't tithing profits back to US producers? How can they expand in other countries if they only make $5 something a head?"

But, but if packers are making so much money, why can't smaller, less efficient packing companies compete? It's not like cattle procurement is a problem when some of these smaller failed packing companies had their own "CAPTIVE SUPPLY" of cattle??? Must be another one of those conflicting R-CULT arguments again. There's no competition but smaller companies can't compete.

I guess the fact that live cattle markets track with boxed beef prices must be one of those figments of our imagination. Sandbag's "ILLUSIONS" are much greater than actual boxed beef/live cattle price charts.

Keep creating your "ILLUSIONS" Sandhusker but you sure have a miserable track record in the court room.

Why don't you packer blaming chronic bitchers open up your own packing company? If you are so convinced packers are making all this money, why can't you put your money where your packer blaming mouth is?

Because "TALK IS CHEAP", that's why!


~SH~

In our area some of the packing plants were regulated out of the business by guess who----the USDA. These were regulations enforced upon smaller packing companies that were not enforced on larger ones. This information comes from the past vp in the cattle organization in the state.

Bse tester is right, the packers are running policy and it is hurting the producers, both in the U.S. and in Canada, regardless of what SH says.

Econ, if you have confidence in your source, your "past vp" friend, and the factuallity of his and your claims, why don't you give us the details?

Which "packing plants were regulated out of the business by USDA"?

What are the "regulations enforced upon smaller packing companies" and not on the larger ones?

Until you present facts to back your claims here, I have to tell you it looks very much like another conspiracy theory.

MRJ