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Kato

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From the Manitoba Co-operator today. http://www.manitobacooperator.ca/

WTO panel will hear Canada's COOL challenge


The World Trade Organization has set up a dispute settlement panel to hear Canada's challenge of U.S. mandatory country-of-origin labelling (COOL).

Canada's first request last month for a WTO panel was, as expected, blocked by the U.S. government. But the WTO's Dispute Settlement Body on Thursday accepted Canada's second request and a WTO member such as the U.S. can only block the creation of a panel once.

"Our assessments are showing us that COOL is having a negative impact on Canadian farmers and livestock producers," International Trade Minister Stockwell Day said in a release Thursday.

"We continue to stand up for the rights of Canadian producers during the dispute settlement process and make the case that the U.S. should lift these onerous requirements."

Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz added in the same release that the federal government is "confident that we will win our challenge."

Both Canada and Mexico first brought complaints about COOL to the WTO in 2008, but had put those requests on hold when it appeared that COOL legislation, as brought forward near the end of the Bush administration, would not be as burdensome as feared on U.S. processors.

But Canada re-filed its request after the Obama administration announced it would hold U.S. processors to a less flexible interpretation of COOL on their products.

WTO consultations held with the U.S. in December 2008 and June 2009 "did not resolve the issue," the federal government said.

The WTO dispute settlement panel will be asked to determine whether the COOL measures are consistent with the international trade obligations of the U.S. under the WTO.

It normally takes up to nine months from the establishment of a panel for its final report to be released to WTO members, thus the panel's report would be released next summer or early fall.

"Confusion and uncertainty"

Passed by the U.S. government in June 2008, COOL legislation requires country-of-origin labelling for beef, pork, lamb, chicken and goat meat, and certain perishable commodities sold at retail outlets in the U.S.

The legislation was implemented in September 2008, on the basis of an interim final rule, which was replaced by a final rule that entered into force on March 16.

For meat to be labelled as a product of the U.S. under mandatory COOL, all production activities (birth, rearing and slaughtering) have to take place in the U.S. For meat derived from animals of different national origins, the label must indicate the country or countries involved.

"In the context of the integrated North American beef and pork supply chains, U.S. COOL has resulted in additional and unnecessary costs being imposed on Canadian cattle and hog exports," the federal government said.

"U.S. processors, for instance, have to segregate Canadian animals and the meat from these animals at their facilities, which generates additional costs. Because of these additional costs, some processors no longer buy Canadian animals, buy them only on certain days, or buy them at a discounted price."

As a result, the federal government said, COOL is "reducing competitiveness in both Canada and the U.S. and creating confusion and uncertainty for livestock industries on both sides of the border."
 
Why are you spending your time and energies carrying water for the multi-national packers so that they can screw you some more when there is a very lucrative market in the far east for BSE tested grain-fed beef that isn't being tapped?
 
The bids from the American side of the border were about the only thing that even came close to keeping them honest. What we have is what happens when competition doesn't exist. Learn from it.

Why don't you sell BSE tested beef, if it's so easy? Maybe because the same government that stops you from doing it is the same one that duped our government into following their lead? We could sell all the BSE tested beef we want to Asia, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference if there are still only two packers bidding.

Trickle down economics is the biggest lie ever told.
 
Kato, "U.S. processors, for instance, have to segregate Canadian animals and the meat from these animals at their facilities, which generates additional costs. Because of these additional costs, some processors no longer buy Canadian animals, buy them only on certain days, or buy them at a discounted price."

As a result, the federal government said, COOL is "reducing competitiveness in both Canada and the U.S. and creating confusion and uncertainty for livestock industries on both sides of the border."

Kato, Didn't the EU do the same thing that affected US and Canadian products and it was up held by WTO ?
 
Kato, "Kato, "U.S. processors, for instance, have to segregate Canadian animals and the meat from these animals at their facilities, which generates additional costs. Because of these additional costs, some processors no longer buy Canadian animals, buy them only on certain days, or buy them at a discounted price."

Why do they have to segregate at their facilities when their product is not segregated at the meat counter?
 
Kato said:
The bids from the American side of the border were about the only thing that even came close to keeping them honest. What we have is what happens when competition doesn't exist. Learn from it.

Why don't you sell BSE tested beef, if it's so easy? Maybe because the same government that stops you from doing it is the same one that duped our government into following their lead? We could sell all the BSE tested beef we want to Asia, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference if there are still only two packers bidding.

Trickle down economics is the biggest lie ever told.

My point is that you can spend all your time, money, and energy on restoring a system where you weren't making any money and were at the mercy of US packers, and one where we're all just sitting here waiting to be flooded with cheap South American beef so we can go broke en masse, or you can spend your time, money, and energy on a totally new way to market your beef that could actually create a huge demand for your products in a lucrative market.
 
Sandhusker said:
gcreekrch said:
Sandhusker said:
Why do they have to segregate at their facilities when their product is not segregated at the meat counter?



That is a very good question Sandy, can you answer it?

They don't.

So why have COOL if it is not being enforced? In it's present form they are using both countries against each other worse than before.
 
Because, once again, the triumvirate of the USDA, big packers, and NCBA has got in there and hijacked the law for their purposes.

We still do not have COOL. This is NOT what any COOL supporter was wanting is this is NOT what the law intended.
 
Sandhusker said:
Because, once again, the triumvirate of the USDA, big packers, and NCBA has got in there and hijacked the law for their purposes.

We still do not have COOL. This is NOT what any COOL supporter was wanting is this is NOT what the law intended.


They are using it quite effectively as an excuse to discount our cattle on this side of the border.

Your COOL reminds me of when logging started in this area in the 80's. The do-gooders, guides, trappers and some short sighted ranchers fought for and got a huge "protected area" where everything but logging could still carry on.
When the govt. got the idea to change it to a park things went down hill. Now you need a permit to trail ride, guides are becoming restricted to the point they are thinking of giving up once valuable hunting concessions and fires have burnt off most of their precious old growth anyway.

Most times well meaning individuals end up getting a lot more than they ask for. :wink:
 
This is NOT what any COOL supporter was wanting is this is NOT what the law intended.

Actually, the part where we get the discounts IS what certain COOL supporters were really after. It was just wrapped up in a flag to get support. The part where it made better prices for American beef is not what was wanted.

Funny how it works out eh? :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
Kato, "Actually, the part where we get the discounts IS what certain COOL supporters were really after. It was just wrapped up in a flag to get support. The part where it made better prices for American beef is not what was wanted. "

You're not aware that the support for this came from CONSUMERS? Do you honestly think that Ma food buyer in Columbus, Ohio was really after discounts on Canadian cattle?
 
Oh, come on, you know who spent all their spare time and all that money they raised at various auctions all over the place lobbying in Washington................... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: And now that it didn't work out quite as predicted, it was consumer driven. If it had turned out the way RCALF wanted it, we'd be hearing it loud and clear how they made it all happen. Of that we can be sure.

BTW, some Canadian representatives of one of our associations just spent some quality time in Texas looking to see how MCOOL has been accepted there. Unlike Montana and the northern states, the consensus they found there was that the southern American cattlemen were no happier with it than we are.
 
Do your research and look into the COOL movement, Kato. Lou Dobbs was very instrumental in getting it over the hump. What was his motivation?
 
The EU is ramping up COOL themselves..... and its even been proposed here in the US to have COOL on milk (and supposedly we have very little import of it).

The push is on to integrate the beef market, much like pork and chicken, the big corporates own it and you sharecrop it. The article was in the MidAmerica Farmer last week. But that is the global elite plan for them to own it all and everyone else is equally poor.

I keep hoping Americans will find their backbone and gumption and start hammering Congress over giving away the sovereignty of this nation and the will of the people. How many beef producers are writing their Congressional leaders complaining about imports that put our own Americans out of business???????? ONE letter to your congressional leader accounts for 13,000 constituents.............. we cannot afford to be silent.

Everybody is looking to their government to bail them out. Man cannot be led by man. The government has no money of its own without taking it from someone else via taxes or having currency printed. Man must be led by God..... God is in the miracle making business.

2010 is going to be much worse than 2009 because the Fed Reserve intends to crash the dollar so they can have a new currency. Deflating the currency reduces the trade deficit, inflates the cost of goods and if you just happen to be on the bottom 50% of the chain and get squashed oh well we're just a useless eater to them and they could care less because they love their mammon (money).

People are looking for US products and they had better if they want to keep Americans employed.
 
Lou Dobbs motivation? An anti-anything-not American attitude. It's what he's based his career on. It's what has made him famous. It's his platform, and he sticks to it. That's his right.

He has some good points about a lot of things, but last time I looked he didn't make the laws in your country. Besides, campaign donations usually carry more weight than TV ratings, when push comes to shove, so I don't think one TV commentator can claim the passage of a law for his own. He's a good enough face for protectionist lobby groups to hide behind when it's handy though.

Especially when it doesn't work out completely as planned.
 
Kato said:
Lou Dobbs motivation? An anti-anything-not American attitude. It's what he's based his career on. It's what has made him famous. It's his platform, and he sticks to it. That's his right.

He has some good points about a lot of things, but last time I looked he didn't make the laws in your country. Besides, campaign donations usually carry more weight than TV ratings, when push comes to shove, so I don't think one TV commentator can claim the passage of a law for his own. He's a good enough face for protectionist lobby groups to hide behind when it's handy though.

Especially when it doesn't work out completely as planned.

You're not getting it, Kato. The big push behind COOL wasn't about hurting Canadian producers, protectionism, etc..... it was about consumers having the ability to base their purchasing decisions on whether or not they trust the country of origin. This has it's roots in the Chinese melamine deal. The common citizens wanted it for consumer reasons.

Why do you insist on being a victim?
 

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