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Hey Katrina----Wheat Prices

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Hey Katrina--Remember what I said wheat prices would do before the end of the year :???: :P :wink: :lol:

Too bad I didn't have enough confidence in my own prediction to hold out until today :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
At least every bin in this area is getting cleaned out- some for the first time in 5-6+ years.....


Thu Dec 13, 2007

US 1 Dark Northern Spring Wheat
13 pct 14 pct 15 pct
Billings Area 10.23-10.63 10.23-10.75 10.23-10.79
Golden Triangle 10.62-10.64 10.34-10.64 10.62-10.64
Great Falls Area 10.16-10.61 10.61-10.66 10.61-10.66
Northcentral Mt 10.32-10.77 10.40-10.81 10.44-10.81
Northeast Mt 10.25-10.43 10.25-10.43 10.25-10.43
Southeast Mt 10.05-10.40 10.05-10.40 10.05-10.40
Southwest Mt 10.78 10.94 11.10
 
I Luv Herfrds said:
Geez OT don't post that!!!! :shock:
I'm still chasing antelope out of the winter wheat. :roll:

Fri Dec 14, 2007 USDA Market News

Closing elevator bids: Compared to Thursday, Winter Wheat was 11 to 16 cents
higher; Spring Wheat 26 to 30 higher;

I suppose I shouldn't tell you that it went over $11 a bushel in northcentral Montana today :wink: :P :lol:

Bet those guys delivering $4 contracted wheat right now are almost crying :shock: .....
 
Bet those guys delivering $4 contracted wheat right now are almost crying

Well at least they aren't bragging about the marketing abilities anymore.

Those 9,10,11 prices sound good................but the day of reckoning is coming................there ain't no free lunch.
 
Oldtimer said:
I Luv Herfrds said:
Geez OT don't post that!!!! :shock:
I'm still chasing antelope out of the winter wheat. :roll:

Fri Dec 14, 2007 USDA Market News

Closing elevator bids: Compared to Thursday, Winter Wheat was 11 to 16 cents
higher; Spring Wheat 26 to 30 higher;

I suppose I shouldn't tell you that it went over $11 a bushel in northcentral Montana today :wink: :P :lol:

Bet those guys delivering $4 contracted wheat right now are almost crying :shock: .....

I do hope you acted on that wheat price........... My question is: What can you contract wheat for next year at this time for???? Do you have the nads to contract it??? :twisted: :twisted:
And who said that corn was going up??? I do hope you remember it was me...... What about selling some 4+ dollar corn???? :D :P
 
Sold ours for $6.32 with March delivery.
Wish we had held onto at least that last 3000 bushel bin, but never knew the price would go higher, it normally drops.

passin thru that is true, but with the increase in price the price to produce it has also risen. Filled our fuel tanks and it ran over $5000.00
Hate the thought of fertilizer and other costs this coming year.
 
Some of those $4 contracts still run a year or two :( I haven't heard anyone pushing any contracts for next year- except for the camelina folks- and I understand they are getting few takers at the price offered with wheat being so high......Looks to me like a lot more winter wheat planted around here this year than I've seen before....
 
katrina said:
I do hope you acted on that wheat price........... My question is: What can you contract wheat for next year at this time for???? Do you have the nads to contract it??? :twisted: :twisted:

This morning I had to haul a couple cans of water over to an old cow that must have stepped in a hole and is gimped up on a hind leg- as far from the water hole as you can get (as normal :roll: ).....Grandma spent the night at the hospital working on car wreck victims and didn't get to bed until 7AM- so I knew she wouldn't be wanting to go to church-and I didn't want to make a lot of noise banging around the kitchen- so I ran into town and grabbed me a late breakfast at the restaurant...
While there I got to talk with a couple of wheat farmers- they said that wheat was being contracted at $8+ a bushel for Aug delivery...And I think I'll wait awhile and see what happens.....
 
Oldtimer said:
katrina said:
I do hope you acted on that wheat price........... My question is: What can you contract wheat for next year at this time for???? Do you have the nads to contract it??? :twisted: :twisted:

This morning I had to haul a couple cans of water over to an old cow that must have stepped in a hole and is gimped up on a hind leg- as far from the water hole as you can get (as normal :roll: ).....Grandma spent the night at the hospital working on car wreck victims and didn't get to bed until 7AM- so I knew she wouldn't be wanting to go to church-and I didn't want to make a lot of noise banging around the kitchen- so I ran into town and grabbed me a late breakfast at the restaurant...
While there I got to talk with a couple of wheat farmers- they said that wheat was being contracted at $8+ a bushel for Aug delivery...And I think I'll wait awhile and see what happens.....

What eight bucks won't make ya any money??? It's pretty volital right now and can go down as fast as it went up..... Or is that just a polite way of saying it's too risky??????? :D :D
 
katrina said:
Oldtimer said:
katrina said:
I do hope you acted on that wheat price........... My question is: What can you contract wheat for next year at this time for???? Do you have the nads to contract it??? :twisted: :twisted:

This morning I had to haul a couple cans of water over to an old cow that must have stepped in a hole and is gimped up on a hind leg- as far from the water hole as you can get (as normal :roll: ).....Grandma spent the night at the hospital working on car wreck victims and didn't get to bed until 7AM- so I knew she wouldn't be wanting to go to church-and I didn't want to make a lot of noise banging around the kitchen- so I ran into town and grabbed me a late breakfast at the restaurant...
While there I got to talk with a couple of wheat farmers- they said that wheat was being contracted at $8+ a bushel for Aug delivery...And I think I'll wait awhile and see what happens.....

What eight bucks won't make ya any money??? It's pretty volital right now and can go down as fast as it went up..... Or is that just a polite way of saying it's too risky??????? :D :D

Many of those that have to contract or that are forced to by their bankers are those that have to pay off land notes and operating notes...I guess its good for them :???: I'm no longer in that situation... Those that got convinced to long term contract for 3-4-5 years at $4- did good last year when wheat was $2, got hosed this year, and still have a couple of unknown years left....Luckily most I know only contracted about 1/2 of what an average years yield would be- leaving them some to freemarket...I really think that right now with these prices- and the rising prices of fuel/fertilizer- and dropping purchase power of the dollar- there is a passel of bankers out there that wish they had not advised (made) their clients sign on to these contracts...

If you have the capability I think you do as good just storing some and holding when the price is terrible....I know that some of this $10 wheat now being sold- is 5-10 year old wheat too, that was raised when the costs were a lot less...Bad thing about contracting is that if you drought completely out and have to go out and pay $10 bushel to buy wheat to fill and cover a $4 contract, it could make the pucker factor a little tight- even with insurance.... :shock: Right now to me- contracting what isn't even in the ground yet is like betting on an egg that hasn't hatched- with no guarantee its even fertile... A lot can happen to keep a crop from coming in...

Commodities historically usually do strong during a recession- and I think we're into what will end up being a strong recession/depression- where cash and wheat may rule for a few years...And this spreading Ug99 Rust could have a major impact on world production for years.....
 
OT we have a land note and the bank did not push us to sell.
Saw a neighbor planting more winter wheat clear into October. :shock: :roll:
He was also planting wheat on wheat that he had just cut this fall. Going to see how it does and if it comes up.
 
I Luv Herfrds said:
OT we have a land note and the bank did not push us to sell.
Saw a neighbor planting more winter wheat clear into October. :shock: :roll:
He was also planting wheat on wheat that he had just cut this fall. Going to see how it does and if it comes up.

Yep- I think you are going to see a lot of continous cropping and planting fenceline to fenceline....I haven't seen any personally- but keep hearing stories of folks taking land out of CRP to seed to wheat.....
 
coyote said:
Hey oldtimer is that CRP some kind of subsidy program ?

I always thought it was a retirement program for the farmers of the 60's and 70's...Definitely killed many a small community...
 
I still say that the main purpose of it was to bail out the lending industry.
There was much land that should have been taken out of crop production, some should not have been. The gov failed in that they should have made the stipulation if you enrolled in CRP and it came out of the CRP contract then it was not elibible for any crop program in the future.
 
Haven't heard of anybody taking out their "Coyote Reproduction Pastures" yet, but I wouldn't be surprised. Would take forever to clean that junk up even if they did burn it.
Got a place north of us in the CRP. It's no good for farming because of the sandy soil it is in, but would be good for cattle only.
 
Katrina-- I saw several commodity traders on TV last night (an Aussie TV show) from all over the world (US, Canada , Europe, Australia, and Asia) and there was pretty much a concensus that wheat prices will slowly drop- down to around $7-8 bushel in the shortterm-- but then take a jump back up and by next August be in the $14-15 range...Thats the good news... :D :D :D
BUT
They also think that the US's economy is going to tank- causing worldwide runaway inflation that will leave that $14-15 wheat with less buying power than $3 or $4 wheat of a year ago-- and the $9-10 wheat of today ... :( :( :(
 
Katrina- I went shopping today with Grandma--let her go shopping while I met all the husbands that were also shopping at the Waterhole :wink: :lol:

Anyway while there I let the owner of the local implement dealership buy me a couple of Christmas cheers-- and we got talking about those commodity (wheat) price predictions...He said he just came back from a national dealers meeting where the corporate ownership was predicting much of the same...In fact they said the economy was in the dumps so bad that they were looking at possible 10 years of bad times for the total US economy-- but that those 10 years of bad times for the economy on a whole could mean 10 years of good times for the farmer/grain producer/ ag equipment dealer...

Good times for the farmer-- means questionable times for the cattle producer -especially with the new energy policy payments/requirements, which will take up so much more farmland over those 10+ years for renewable fuels.... :???: Which to me also points more to those breeds/types of cattle that can finish out the fastest on the leasest and on marginal type grassland/pasture/feed.... :D :D But how much a pound will those cattle have to bring - to pay the costs of this upcoming new global economy where the current administration is trying to get our dollar to the value of yuan or the peso........ :???: :shock: :(
 
Double blow puts wheat at record peakBy Javier Blas in London

Published: December 18 2007 02:19 | Last updated: December 18 2007 02:19

Wheat prices on Monday surged to fresh all-time highs above $10-a-bushel amid fears that strong demand from emerging countries will eat into depleted global cereal inventories.

The market gained additional support after Argentina confirmed that its wheat crop had suffered heavy losses after frosts last month hit the Buenos Aires region, which makes up more than 60 per cent of the country's production.

Extreme weather this year damaged the crops of other leading exporters, including Australia and Ukraine.

The CBOT March 2008 futures contract, that on Monday became the market's benchmark after the expiration of the December contract, jumped to an all-time high of $10.09½ a bushel, after hitting its 30 cents daily trading limit.

It was later trading at $9.80 a bushel, up ½ cent on the day.

Tobin Gorey, a commodity strategist at Commonwealth Bank of Australia in Sydney, said that the seriously depleted harvest in Argentina had acted as a "catalyst" for the price jump.

"There is not an obvious stop for the price. The market is very tight," Mr Gorey said.

Strong demand and tight supplies have nearly depleted cereal stocks.

US wheat inventories are set to fall to a 60-year low at the end of the current crop season, while global stocks, at 9.3 weeks of consumption, have not been so low since at least 1960, according to the US Department of Agriculture.

Rising agricultural commodity prices are boosting inflation worldwide, constraining the ability of central banks to mitigate the slowdown in their countries' economies.

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"The rise in poor countries' income from $1 to $2 per capita per day triggers the largest increase in an individual's calorific intake – what is known as the second dollar theory," Mr Brodie said, referring to the large increase in demand in countries such as Vietnam that have reduced poverty significantly in the past few years.

Rising incomes in emerging countries have boosted meat and dairy consumption, increasing demand for agricultural feedstock.

The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation estimates that China's meat consumption per capita per year has risen from 31 kilogrammes in 1990 to about 60kg.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ede382d4-acf6-11dc-b51b-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
 

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