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History of Collusive Activity by Meat Packers

Ben Roberts

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I will be quoting here from, The Investigation by the Justice Department, for the Federal Trade Commission in 1917, it was this investigation that created the Packers and Stockyards Act of 1921.

" This investigation and the passage of the Sherman Act, however, did not long prevent the big packers from combining, for it was admitted by Henry Veeder under oath, in 1912, that from May, 1893, until May, 1896, representatives of the leading packing companies, Armour & Co., Armour Packing Co., Cudahy Packing Co., G.H. Hammond Packing Co., East St. Louis Dressed Beef & Provision Co., Morris & Co., and Swift & Co., met regularly every Tuesday afternoon in a suite of rooms leased in the name of Henry Veeder, who acted as secretary and statistician of these meetings. It is interesting, in view of certain important evidence developed in the present investigation, to note that the rent for these rooms and other expenses connected with these meetings were apportioned among the packers in proportion to their shipments of dressed beef. At these meetings the territory was divided and the volume of business to be done by each packer was apportioned upon the basis of statistics compiled by Veeder, penalties being levied when any one of them exceeded his alloment in any territory. This was the first of the so-called "Veeder pools", conducted, it should be noted, by the same Henry Veeder whom we find acting now as the joint agent of the "Big Five" in verious transactions."

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Ben Roberts
 
Ben, I don't think anyone disputes this history, but what has it got to do with today?

Are you suggesting that there is evidence of similar activity now? Many have made that claim, but have never provided proof.
 
Jason said:
Ben, I don't think anyone disputes this history, but what has it got to do with today?

Are you suggesting that there is evidence of similar activity now? Many have made that claim, but have never provided proof.

Jason- apparently you haven't been around the buyers much when they'll "share" their days purchases to even out their loads, or one buyer will drop out when he tells the other buyers he needs whats left to fill out their orders for the day -- or when the night before the sale they discuss the needs of each other so they know where each is coming from.....

And this is just whats transparent on the local level....
 
Jason said:
Ben, I don't think anyone disputes this history, but what has it got to do with today?

Are you suggesting that there is evidence of similar activity now? Many have made that claim, but have never provided proof.

Jason, the beef trust exist today, as they did in 1917. I've even been a part of it.

Ben Roberts
 
Ben Roberts said:
I will be quoting here from, The Investigation by the Justice Department, for the Federal Trade Commission in 1917, it was this investigation that created the Packers and Stockyards Act of 1921.

" This investigation and the passage of the Sherman Act, however, did not long prevent the big packers from combining, for it was admitted by Henry Veeder under oath, in 1912, that from May, 1893, until May, 1896,
representatives of the leading packing companies, Armour & Co., Armour Packing Co., Cudahy Packing Co., G.H. Hammond Packing Co., East St. Louis Dressed Beef & Provision Co., Morris & Co., and Swift & Co., met regularly every Tuesday afternoon in a suite of rooms leased in the name of Henry Veeder, who acted as secretary and statistician
of these meetings. It is interesting, in view of certain important evidence developed in the present investigation, to note that the rent for these rooms and other expenses connected with these meetings were apportioned among the packers in proportion to their shipments of dressed beef. At these meetings the territory was divided and the volume of business to be done by each packer was apportioned upon the basis of statistics compiled by Veeder, penalties being levied when any one of them exceeded his alloment in any territory. This was the first of the so-called "Veeder pools", conducted, it should be noted, by the same Henry Veeder whom we find acting now as the joint agent of the "Big Five" in verious transactions."

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Agman, can you tell us a little more about the people you meet in your business meetings?
 
I found this quote from a recent paper done by C. Robert Taylor.

An interesting parallel with political activities almost a century prior is that, according to Virtue, the packers lobbied to have a study of the meatpacking done not by the Federal Trade Commission, but by the Department of Agriculture. After having this described as a "toothless, clawless method that would accomplish nothing," President Wilson directed the FTC, not the
Agriculture Department, to lead the investigation the meat packing industry (Virtue, 1920, pp.)


Although Taylor was not talking about the recently released GIPSA study, the parallels with it are amazing. History repeats.
 
Econo wrote -
Agman, can you tell us a little more about the people you meet in your business meetings?

Bin kinda waiting for a reply on this one. If the meetings are all top secret, the whole notion of beef trusts kinda makes a fella wonder.

No secrets here boys. Quarter after five, and I've got a minute or two to learn one last thing from you rancher.net folks before we go sell some damn good bulls today.

Any ideas how I can get someone at Tyson or Cargill to protect my bids Agman? :wink:
 
rkaiser said:
Econo wrote -
Agman, can you tell us a little more about the people you meet in your business meetings?

Bin kinda waiting for a reply on this one. If the meetings are all top secret, the whole notion of beef trusts kinda makes a fella wonder.

No secrets here boys. Quarter after five, and I've got a minute or two to learn one last thing from you rancher.net folks before we go sell some damn good bulls today.

Any ideas how I can get someone at Tyson or Cargill to protect my bids Agman? :wink:

If Agman doesn't answer ask Hillary. Tyson was on the other side of all her trades where she made her 100 K in commodity trading. Blair had it all figured out.
 
rkaiser said:
NOT HILLARY !!!

How come others on this site can ask Agman questions and get answers?

Don't you like some of us Agman?

He only answers those that are broke to lead... :roll:

You did hear that old Agman and ~SH~ are partnered up with Hillary, George Soros, and crew now that George is a big money partner with Tysons and Cactus Feeders, didn't you? :wink: :lol: :lol:

Hey kaiser-- How did them wooly bulls sell?...I tried to look at them once but I forgot my Team password.....
 
Econ "Agman, can you tell us a little more about the people you meet in your business meetings?"

Just for sport, think up the most intentionally vague meaningless question you can, then let's compare it to the previous brain attack.


For an abject misunderstanding of the CME consider this at your own risk:If Agman doesn't answer ask Hillary. Tyson was on the other side of all her trades where she made her 100 K in commodity trading. Blair had it all figured out.
 
Brad S said:
Econ "Agman, can you tell us a little more about the people you meet in your business meetings?"

Just for sport, think up the most intentionally vague meaningless question you can, then let's compare it to the previous brain attack.


For an abject misunderstanding of the CME consider this at your own risk:If Agman doesn't answer ask Hillary. Tyson was on the other side of all her trades where she made her 100 K in commodity trading. Blair had it all figured out.

rkaiser wrote: Any ideas how I can get someone at Tyson or Cargill to protect my bids Agman? Wink

Times Select Content Friend Did Futures Trades for Hillary Clinton
By ROBERT D. HERSHEY JR.,

The White House said today that most of the commodity orders by which Hillary Rodham Clinton turned $1,000 into nearly $100,000 in the 1970's were placed by James B. Blair, a friend and lawyer for the Tyson Foods Company, whose role Clinton Administration officials had previously described as only an adviser to Mrs. Clinton. The White House, while continuing to maintain that Mrs. Clinton, a novice trader, made her own trading decisions after consultations with Mr. Blair, acknowledged that Mr. ...
April 11, 1994 U.S. News
MORE ON BILL CLINTON AND: FUTURES TRADING, WHITEWATER CASE, CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM, BLAIR, JAMES B

Brad S., What is the Matter With Kansas?
 

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