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OCTOBER 2, 2008

Cattle futures tumbled to limit down prices in both live and feeder contracts. Cattle owners caved to market pressures, mostly from financial turmoil and sold cattle at $97 or two dollars lower than last week. In the north a few cattle traded at $97-98 or steady with last week. The Senate passed a bailout package and the markets may respond positively. House members regrouped and promise a vote on Friday. Most cattle offered for sale in the southern plains are priced at $101.

Box prices softened at mid week with choice holding steady and select dropping somewhat. Choice cuts leveled out at $155 and select at $148. Choice cuts posted large losses last week and traders expect the market to hold ground this week. The choice select spread was at $6.

In Oklahoma City cash prices for feeder cattle fell $5-8 in the largest drop of the year. Supplies are building outside feedyards and there appears to be little demand for filling empty pens. A few bids of $102 were available for 750# cattle on the southern plains.

Corn prices continued lower on Tuesday following the release of a USDA revised corn stock report raising the inventory of corn on hand. Primary in the calculation is a reduction in the last quarter of usage of corn as smaller numbers of cattle and poultry are fed. The basis on the southern plains was 50 over the December contract. Corn is now pricing into most rations at $10.50 cwt..



CREDIT WOES

The market action was at once impossible to miss but difficult to explain. Hidden from view of most Americans were trading patterns that only the most sophisticated traders could understand. The Donald Trump adage that "cash was king" was never more true. However, those with cash were not willing to put it at risk and companies and individuals rushed to the safety of government securities like treasury bills even those the best they would receive would be the promise of a return of their principal with only a token of interest. Those with cash were not in the mood to extend credit or assume any credit risk.

A freezing up of credit is the direct result of the mortgage crisis and the government bail out may alleviate much of the problems, but as of now, the credit markets are drying up. The implications cover everything from your payroll check to where and how the city, in which you live, meets its daily money needs. More importantly for those in the ag sector, where large credit needs are a fundamental part of the landscape, is access to the billions of dollars in production loans necessary for growing cattle and crops. The credit crisis is a direct assault on this country's ability to provide food to every person in the country.

For those with solid equity in their operations, they can expect credit to continue to be available and in some instances the rates to remain low as the government backed bonds fund many ag operations. For those with more questionable or risky balance sheets, credit will definitely tighten. The cost of money for operations carrying extra risk will skyrocket. Troubled meat companies are currently facing financing problems. Pilgrims Pride announced a bad bet on corn prices and troubles with loan covenants late this past week. Pilgrims is joined by many other meat companies facing higher borrowing cost as reflected in current bond quotes and future concessions necessary to raise more capital or debt. It is a costly time to go to the market for capital or debt as our country's premier investment bank, Goldman Sachs, found out when it called on Warren Buffett to assist them with a loan.

Hedge funds are developing more global strategies based on the advent of tight credit in the ag sector. Some have been shorting feeder futures with the thought that small ranchers and farmers will be forced to liquidate herds. Others are betting meat sales will slow with the economy and there will be pressure on prices resulting in less corn consumed by cattle, pork and poultry.

No sector has more at stake in the bailout plan than production agriculture. No cattle owner wants to take a credit risk when selling their cattle. Knowing the buyer and their financial condition will become critical to future transactions. Stocker operators will want to check the financial condition of the feedyard purchasing their cattle. Some grain trading companies have tightened controls and selling terms to feedyards. Feedyards in turn will be more concerned in the future in verifying the financial soundness of the beef plants where they choose to market their cattle. Sellers of ag products will come to recognize that a check in hand is not the same as collected funds. Clearing periods will speed up and assumptions of credit worthiness will be subject to verification.

This was taken from AgCenter, The Cattle Report. Oh dear all ouy stck markets are down.

CA
 
Took a stroll thru our local Grocery Store....Hamburge is holding steady as are other cuts....I would be more worried if I saw some major price changes there reflecting people were not buying beef....

I think calf prices are reflective of several things. Feed costs, weather and such more o than the credit crisis,

PPRM
 
Is the person Running for President causing cattle to go down? Sorry Canada
Is there another reason for commodities to fall? Is this the problem ?
If not then why ?

http://newsblaze.com/story/20081023183232zzzz.nb/topstory.html

They have stopped trading this Friday on Wall Street at 9:40 am !!!Dow Average futures won't trade below the 8,224 level, he said, while the Nasdaq 100 futures won't fall below 1,168.50. The ``limit down'' suspension allows the contracts to trade above those levels,Art Cashin, head of floor operations at UBS. "It could be a selloff on the order of 1000 to 2000 points on the Dow BUT it didn't happen, only a 200 point sell off. Problem is the whole week is down again.

Sounds like a thundering Herd !!
 
ouch !!!!!!


Canada's Dollar Falls to Lowest in 3 Weeks as Stocks, Oil Sink

Canada's currency fell to the lowest in more than three weeks as pessimism over the outlook for the global economy drove oil below $50 a barrel and stocks tumbled.

The Canadian dollar has lost 17 percent this quarter as investors flee to the U.S. dollar for safety. All of the most- actively traded currencies except Japan's yen have dropped against the greenback since Sept. 30. Crude oil accounts for 21 percent of the Bank of Canada's Commodity Price Index.

``Commodities and stocks are both considered risky assets, and risk is the last thing the market wants right now,'' said Jacqui Douglas, currency strategist at TD Securities Inc. in Toronto. ``There's a substantial risk of overshooting up to C$1.30 to C$1.35 on waves of risk aversion.''

The loonie, as Canada's currency is known for the aquatic bird on the one-dollar coin, weakened as much as 3.1 percent to C$1.2948 per U.S. dollar, from C$1.2547 yesterday. It traded at C$1.2935 at 4 p.m. in Toronto. The currency reached C$1.3017 on Oct. 28. One Canadian dollar buys 77.33 U.S. cents.

Crude oil for December delivery declined as much as $4.98 to $48.64 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract last fell below $50 on Jan. 18, 2007.

``Chances of hitting $40 are a lot greater than going back to $60,'' said Martin Lefebvre, a senior economist at Montreal's Desjardins Group, Quebec's largest credit union. ``The slowdown is only starting to unfurl on the rest of the planet. That won't call for strong commodity demand.''

The MSCI World Index of stocks in 23 developed nations declined as much as 5.9 percent to 772.96, the lowest in almost six years.

`Fear Remains the Religion'

``Faith is lacking and fear remains the religion,'' Andrew Busch, a Chicago-based currency strategist at BMO Capital Markets, wrote in a report. The unit of Bank of Montreal, Canada's fourth-largest bank, has a C$1.25 year-end forecast for the Canadian dollar.

Canada's currency is headed for a sixth consecutive monthly drop, the longest losing streak since the seven straight losses ended September 1993. Commodities account for about a third of the country's export revenue.

First-time claims for U.S. unemployment insurance unexpectedly rose last week to the highest level since 1992.

Bank of Montreal and Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce probably will lead the biggest quarterly profit decline for Canadian banks since 2002 because of lower capital-markets fees and higher provisions for bad loans, forcing some to freeze dividends, said TD Newcrest Inc. analyst Jason Bilodeau.

First Budget Deficit

Canada's parliamentary budget office said the nation is on course to post its first budget deficit in more than a decade next fiscal year as revenue slows.

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper told lawmakers in Ottawa that Canada will take whatever financial, fiscal and monetary measures are needed to help the world's eighth-biggest economy.

The 10-year note's yield dropped 14 basis points, or 0.14 percentage point, to 3.38 percent. The price of the 4.25 percent security maturing in June 2018 climbed C$1.15 to C$107.10.

The yield on the two-year government bond fell 12 basis points to 1.80 percent, the lowest since at least 1989 when Bloomberg records begin. The price of the 2.75 percent security due in December 2010 rose 23 cents to C$101.88.

``The deflation scare is more likely to result in 10-year yields dropping some more, resulting in a curve flattener,'' said Lefebvre.

The 10-year bond yielded 158 basis points more than the two- year security, down from 184 basis points on Nov. 6, when the so- called yield curve was the steepest since May 2004.

Source: bloomberg.com
 
:roll: Yea go figer Our Banks are the most stable of the G8 We haven't run a Deficit in years. Our unemployment is still very low and the papers are still full of help wanted, not to mention business windows. Yet U.S.A. dollars are the ones eveybody wants. Must be the Trillions of $ that your Government ( doesn't have ) is giving the banks (who in turn don't have ) who are giving it to people who have leveraged themselves into bankruptcy that makes your dollar so attractive :) :)

Am I the only person in the world that still has to put 40% down to borrow money anymore :???:
 
The domino theory is starting to hit the rural areas up here now too..With calves selling for $200-250 less than last year- and wheat prices continuing their downward trends- our states #1 industry is feeling the hit..

And in the local papers daily its some place that has closed or some project cancelled...Stillwater mines closed laying off 560 folks- and today an article says the lumber industry has had 700 layoffs...Main street folks are starting to grumble a little...
At least the $1.80 gas prices are one ray of sunshine....

Banks have still sounded like they have money- if you can put a quarter down- or have some collateral to put up - same as usual...But I haven't walked in and asked for a big chunk to buy land either...
 
Ok everyone, just think back to last spring. How much fun was that? Traders were talking $20 wheat and $10 plus corn. Fuel and fertilizer were literally through the roof, and there was talk that they'd never come down again for the rest of time.

Was that fun? :???: Not for anyone feeding cattle it wasn't. In the world of most people, as time goes by, the cost of goods goes up, but wages do to. In the world of the cattle producer, as time goes by the cost of inputs goes up, but cattle do not. There's only one way to get inputs for grain or livestock to drop, and it's happening right now.

People still need to eat. That's the bottom line. I think I'd rather be a cattle producer facing the lowest feed costs in a while, during a time of shortening cattle supplies, than a real estate agent in some big city.

We just have to hang on until things calm down. It's not the hard times that are hurting us right now, it's the uncertainty. As time goes by and everyone finds what the new levels of everything are they will calm down, get more predictable, and as soon as anyone can make plans with some kind of assurances of stability, at whatever level that is, then we can get on with it.

As for the loonie, the lower the better. Bring it on.
 
Kato said:
Ok everyone, just think back to last spring. How much fun was that? Traders were talking $20 wheat and $10 plus corn. Fuel and fertilizer were literally through the roof, and there was talk that they'd never come down again for the rest of time.

Was that fun? :???: Not for anyone feeding cattle it wasn't. In the world of most people, as time goes by, the cost of goods goes up, but wages do to. In the world of the cattle producer, as time goes by the cost of inputs goes up, but cattle do not. There's only one way to get inputs for grain or livestock to drop, and it's happening right now.

People still need to eat. That's the bottom line. I think I'd rather be a cattle producer facing the lowest feed costs in a while, during a time of shortening cattle supplies, than a real estate agent in some big city.

We just have to hang on until things calm down. It's not the hard times that are hurting us right now, it's the uncertainty. As time goes by and everyone finds what the new levels of everything are they will calm down, get more predictable, and as soon as anyone can make plans with some kind of assurances of stability, at whatever level that is, then we can get on with it.

As for the loonie, the lower the better. Bring it on.


Well said Kato, my sentiments as well.
 

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