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Horse Trainer Extraordinare

I don't mean to harp here, but I will tell you that HORSEMEN will
let the cow go to get the horse. We saw this first hand. If the horse
wasn't up to it, they took care of the horse and they went back
after the cattle. Mr. FH said "Cowmen get the cattle, horsemen get
the horse" and he is right. After all, where can those cows go?
They'll be there the next day. But do the wrong thing with a young
horse and you can ruin them forever, or at the least, you won't have
the horse you could have had.

BTW, just so you know, Tom Wagoner was a pickup man for
Mike Cervi and many others. Rode his own horses too.
 
fh
i have seen what you are talking about and have let some cattle go because the horse i was riding wasn't ready to do the job
but when you work for wages and you work for a "cattleman instead of a horseman" that can be hard to explain to the boss
so somtimes i just have to spur up and get the job done
but now days i have lots of good dogs that can handle the wildest cattle so i have another out if i want to ride a young horse
and thats a big help
until later
jerry

btw
we are leaving this morning on vacation so i won't be on here for a few days
 
I am to the point that my cattle come first. They pay the bills, not the horses. I want the cattle work to go as smoothly and stress free as possible. As far as the riders go, sorting and cattle work can all be done at a walk, or at the most a trot. When riders go galloping at high speed, the cattle get disturbed, mix-ups occur, and riders get hurt if their horses go down with them. Sure, when roping, occasionally speed is required, but it should be done with discretion and well away from the main herd of cattle.
 
Faster horses said:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Wise words, Soapweed.
I always appreciate your perspective and how you
work your cattle, horses, family and men.
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Thanks, Faster Horses. Usually in the long run, what is best for the cattle also ends up being the best for the horses and riders, too.
 
Soapweed: Good points. My philosophy exactly. I learnt long ago that if you have to take your horse faster than a trot when moving cattle you're doing something wrong. When checking cattle we would ride through them first checking on what needed to be caught. We would bring out what needed to be caught, out of the herd, catch it treat it, and then let it wander back to the main herd.The main herd was always kept quiet and undisturbed because of us doing our treating in this way. New cattle brought in and not used to horses would become very calm and cool and manageable by the summers end. FASTER HORSES: I don't know where you come up with this cattlemen and horsemen baloney. I think that if you're running a ranch you have to be both. Everything has to work together. You have to be able to read cows ( cow psychology) , know your horses strong and weak points and go from there. And don't get yourself or your horse in a situation that you can't handle. I can tell from your postings that you know absolutely nothing about ranching and I also question your horsemanship. I would never want you with me when moving cattle. Your lackadaisacal attitude just doesn't cut it. Letting cattle go because they have no place to go so that you don't hurt your horse is total bulls__t. Maybe you need a better horse and more work ethic. Letting a cow or group or herd get away once will totally screw them for life. They will always be looking for some place to go and will teach their calves the same thing and all you've done is made a bunch of wild hard to handle cattle. I've met your type before. You'd better stick with riding your pushbutton horses. Maybe one day your neighbors cows will get out. You can ride your pushbutton horse over , being very careful to keep him collected and giving too pressure.Watch out for stones , holes, and trees laying on the ground. The horse could hurt himself you know, because he can't think for himself. You can let half of his cows get away and quaranteed he'll never ask for your help again. Stick to indoor riding arenas and flat ground. Leave the ranching to the real ranchers.
 
Hey ranie, what pfra pasture did you work at? Did you make it to the winter fair to see Clint's cow horse clinic? I would of liked to of gone but couldn't get away. Got to know Clint when he was manager at lakeview. He's a real good guy.
 
Faster horses said:
I don't mean to harp here, but I will tell you that HORSEMEN will
let the cow go to get the horse. We saw this first hand. If the horse
wasn't up to it, they took care of the horse and they went back
after the cattle. Mr. FH said "Cowmen get the cattle, horsemen get
the horse" and he is right. After all, where can those cows go?They'll be there the next day. But do the wrong thing with a young
horse and you can ruin them forever, or at the least, you won't have
the horse you could have had.

BTW, just so you know, Tom Wagoner was a pickup man for
Mike Cervi and many others. Rode his own horses too.
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I have pushed many young horses before they were ready to keep cows from getting away. I have not as of today ruined one of them. They learn to keep an eye on the cow as it is more work to them to let it get away. If you let them get away they will be trained like Rainie says and next time you will really need to punish your horse to get them in. The difference is people who gather on section pastures to those who have 20-30 section pastures. Where will the cow go? Lots of places that you don't even now a cow could go if it got away the first time. If you think your going to be in a wreck in the first place leave the colt home and take a seasoned horse. I don't push a horse until he is five and then he is to the point he can take the pressure if need be. Most of my younger horses that I have had to ask a bit more of than they were ready for are my best horses now. It was not done on a steady diet, so they didn't burn out. But I knew what they were capable of after that if needed. I hate arena broke horses, they need to get outside with the schooling as soon as possible. The arena is great for building the foundation and then get them outside and to work to finish them. Most horses that are strictly arena broke do not know how to travel outside. The same as mares and colts kept in a small lot, let them out in the hills then the colts learn from day one how to travel on rough ground.
 
Where did all this arena BS come from? Because I showed pictures
of a man working a horse in an indoor arena?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

We don't even own an arena, indoor
or outdoor. The only reason this horse was ridden inside was because
of the weather.

Do you understand about riding both sides of your horse?
Do you know the best way to keep your horse fresh?
Do you understand how to get a young horse so he really can
travel? This is all stuff that is important to outside riding, not
arena riding.

You are barking up the wrong tree when you talk about only
riding horses in an arena. As for letting the cows go, you are getting
real carried away. Their cows work really well, are used to being worked
horseback, Soapweed style.


And I will tell you, that Tom gets a horse outside IMMEDIATELY.
Usually on the second ride.

Sorry that you felt so threatened by my post.

BTW, I am an old lady that couldn't ride one side of a real
good horse any more. But I'm not afraid to give credit where
credit is due.

Can we move on now?
 
Faster horses: my apologies. Wasn't sure who I was talking to. Caught me on a day short of rest (calving). Please keep posting your pictures as I enjoy them , and yes, let's move on.
 
Not to step into anything, just as a comment. Every ride a horse gets is a training ride. I understand getting the work done, have done it. But horses are athletes and need to be ridden on each side to build strength. They tend to favor one. Plus its fun for some of us. Have seen Chris Cox go--amazing too; as is this trainer. Have to admire trainers who can do the things these guys do. JMO
 

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