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How to lose the argument

OldDog/NewTricks

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How to lose the argument on animal welfare…Top 10 reasons
D. A. Daley, PhD – CSU, Chico

1. Assuming science will give us all the answers; it only gives us some of the answers. I believe strongly in science but science doesn't solve ethical questions. Also, the public does not trust scientists and assumes they can be bought! Watch the news and it is easy to find "scientists" on both sides of almost every issue. It has become a contest of "my science is better than your science".

2. Using economics as the justification for all of our practices. Although it makes sense to those of us who raise animals for a living, saying "well of course we treat them well or we won't make money" really hurts our efforts with the public. In other words, if this is all about making money rather than working with animals we would probably be in another line of work! We need to convince the public that we truly care about animals not just about dollars. Besides that, it is not always true. You can have extreme conditions that are not good for animals that can be profitable.

3. Assuming that you have to defend all agricultural practices, regardless of what they are. Why? I believe you defend those that are defensible. Period. Defending all practices makes no sense and causes you to lose credibility with the public.

4. Assuming we can't do better at animal welfare. Agriculture is about evolving practices. Why can't we continue to improve a system that is already good but will continue to change?

5. Attacking everyone who disagrees with you in a negative, critical manner. We get angry very easily and that generally means we aren't comfortable with what we are doing, so we have to defend at the top of our lungs.

6. Not being willing to listen because we are so busy responding.

7. Assuming that the lunatic fringe is the general public. We spend way to much time focusing on lunatics and not working with the public.

8. Being reactive rather than proactive.

9. Assuming that because someone disagrees with you they are stupid, evil or both. Good people can look at the same issue differently.

10. Not working hard enough to build coalitions that include the public (consumers), Most of our coalition efforts are focused on bringing agricultural groups together. There aren't enough of us, and we don't represent enough votes.

11. Bonus – Criticizing/mocking any animal production system that is not "conventional". There is room in agriculture for lots of different methods of production. Let the market determine their success rather than hoping for them to fail.

12. Bonus -Trying to lead a parade without seeing if anyone is following…..Have you asked producers about the issue? I have surveyed over 200 cattlemen in three locations and 90%+ of them say "animals have the RIGHT to be treated humanely and ethically"!
 
I agree there is much work to be done in the realm of interaction with the general public about the welfare of the animals we are raising for harvest. The lunatic fringe is always going to remain that way, IMHO. You can only have reasonable dialogue with reasonable people. That doesn't mean you can't try but our efforts should be concentrated with our consumers and not the lunatics.... they are not consumers of our products, just our nemesis.
 
I saw a short clip on the news last night about a movie that is
being considered for the Academy Awards (or the Emmy's, but isn't
that one over?)

It is titled, "Food, Inc" and I don't think it's very favorable to beef...
I'm going to look into it further. Don't quote me, but the news achor
asked the producer if he recommends buying hamburgers at
McDonalds or Hardees. The producer replied, "now there are 1000
calves that make up that hamburger..." . Maybe he said 'cows' but
I'm sure he said calves. Wish I had taped it. It was on Fox Business
Network last night.
 
Whether anyone believes animals have the right to humane treatment is irrelevant. The fact is that before everything else, we have the obligation to provide humane treatment.

It's the duty you accept when you accept responsibility for the life of a living creature. They put their lives in our hands. They provide for us. Therefore we provide food, shelter and safety for them. This does not just apply to farm animals either, it also applies to any animal that lives with people.
 
Faster horses said:
I saw a short clip on the news last night about a movie that is
being considered for the Academy Awards (or the Emmy's, but isn't
that one over?)

It is titled, "Food, Inc" and I don't think it's very favorable to beef...
I'm going to look into it further. Don't quote me, but the news achor
asked the producer if he recommends buying hamburgers at
McDonalds or Hardees. The producer replied, "now there are 1000
calves that make up that hamburger..." . Maybe he said 'cows' but
I'm sure he said calves. Wish I had taped it. It was on Fox Business
Network last night.

I have not seen "Food Inc" yet- but some of those in cattle production that have- have said that its not so much unfavorable to ranchers or cattlemen - as it is to multinational corporations that control the production/processing/importing of food- and the shortcuts they take in their putting profit over safety- and the governments failure to enforce the rules on these corporate entities- which has been seen in all the increased illness's. deaths, and recalls we are now seeing with products (that Porker posts daily)...
Some have compared it to the exposures Upton Sinclairs book "The Jungle" did of the meatpacking industry- which lead to Teddy Roosevelts formation of the USDA and meatpacking/food safety rules...
 
Food Inc is an excellent movie in my opinion. We have had a fantastic response to it through our retailing business with comments like "once we saw Food Inc it changed our food purchasing habits forever"
 
Kato said:
Whether anyone believes animals have the right to humane treatment is irrelevant. The fact is that before everything else, we have the obligation to provide humane treatment.

It's the duty you accept when you accept responsibility for the life of a living creature. They put their lives in our hands. They provide for us. Therefore we provide food, shelter and safety for them. This does not just apply to farm animals either, it also applies to any animal that lives with people.

I think the issue of what is "Humane" is the problem.
What we do for our animals and is the standard practice for agriculture my not meet the standards some my want to force upon us. :?
 
Humane treatment differ's from town to town! In Salt Lake City they recently passed an ordinance making it illegal to tie up your dog! :shock: Only store your dog inside the house or in a kennel! NUTS! :roll:
 
OldDog/NewTricks, excellent post!!!!

Are producers the primary benefactors of the now accepted "conventional" practices?

Farmers/ranchers have always been very high on the list for consumer trust...we are letting large food corporations tarnish our image...all in the name of efficiency! How do producers AND consumers benefit from efficiency with better prices?
 

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