I'd like to kick some butt!

[hillsdown]

This is the very reason they make kennels.If you have a pet it is your responsibility to keep them contained.This was an accident nothing more.The dog and the trapper were where they did'nt belong.

That is about the dummest argument I have ever heard.

Around here Mr.Remington will get your wandering dog long before Mr.Trapper Better keep them home If you don't believe me ask my neighbor's.I won't tolerate running dogs or as most call it wandering yeah where is that dog I've been wandering about that all day.

Your pet's are just that YOURS not YOUR Neighbors keep them on a leash in a kennel or at home.There is nothing nice about a 6# pile of dogcrap and a 1/2 dozen dead chickens from the neighbor's wandering dogs.We had a neighbor ask me if her dog's had been over here.I asked her if they came home which she said they had to which I replied "Well then they have'nt been to my house"If you want to keep your dog keep them home period.

I can see that to pest dogs,but a lot of neighbors dogs stray because of unusual circumstances like thunder,gun shots etc. Especiallly boarder collies they are very sensitive.

If their handlers are not around they will go to the next "safe place" they think they can find.

You ever shoot one because of that circumstance you would disappear here as easily as the dogs you kill. :evil:

 

[jodywy]

That is about the dummest argument I have ever heard.

Around here Mr.Remington will get your wandering dog long before Mr.Trapper Better keep them home If you don't believe me ask my neighbor's.I won't tolerate running dogs or as most call it wandering yeah where is that dog I've been wandering about that all day.

Your pet's are just that YOURS not YOUR Neighbors keep them on a leash in a kennel or at home.There is nothing nice about a 6# pile of dogcrap and a 1/2 dozen dead chickens from the neighbor's wandering dogs.We had a neighbor ask me if her dog's had been over here.I asked her if they came home which she said they had to which I replied "Well then they have'nt been to my house"If you want to keep your dog keep them home period.

I can see that to pest dogs,but a lot of neighbors dogs stray because of unusual circumstances like thunder,gun shots etc. Especiallly boarder collies they are very sensitive.

If their handlers are not around they will go to the next "safe place" they think they can find.

You ever shoot one because of that circumstance you would disappear here as easily as the dogs you kill. :evil:

Gee if my border collies are not with me they are on a chain. Only dog that get to run free is the Pyrenees X Akbash guard dog with the sheep and some times she drags a 4 wheeler tire to keep her inside the fences and off the road. Oh and she takes care of any wandering dogs long before a gun is needed.

 

[Denny]

That is about the dummest argument I have ever heard.

Around here Mr.Remington will get your wandering dog long before Mr.Trapper Better keep them home If you don't believe me ask my neighbor's.I won't tolerate running dogs or as most call it wandering yeah where is that dog I've been wandering about that all day.

Your pet's are just that YOURS not YOUR Neighbors keep them on a leash in a kennel or at home.There is nothing nice about a 6# pile of dogcrap and a 1/2 dozen dead chickens from the neighbor's wandering dogs.We had a neighbor ask me if her dog's had been over here.I asked her if they came home which she said they had to which I replied "Well then they have'nt been to my house"If you want to keep your dog keep them home period.

I can see that to pest dogs,but a lot of neighbors dogs stray because of unusual circumstances like thunder,gun shots etc. Especiallly boarder collies they are very sensitive.

If their handlers are not around they will go to the next "safe place" they think they can find.

You ever shoot one because of that circumstance you would disappear here as easily as the dogs you kill. :evil:

Well let's see my border collie here's a gunshot she's under the deck at home a thunderstorm she's in the shop or the house.The neighbor's 4 dog's killing baby goats at my dad's 3 were dead the other was my brothers and if he had'nt been there with it on a leash I would have got them all.How about a St.Bernard mauling your kid's in your own yard.I could go on and on with these examples.I warn the neighbor's and even take dog's home and tell them next time I will control what is out of control.Pitbull's I just shoot them no 2nd chances for those or rotweillers.Where my house is we are in the country but a river is across the road and 32 lots with 2.2 kids and 7.2 dogs per lot has made me this way.I have'nt had to control a dog now for over 2 years useally I whip them with a buggy whip and they don't come back but the biggest thing that has been trained is the Yuppies with the puppies.Like I said if you MUST have a pet keep it on a leash or in a kennel because when your back is turned they are dog's and are up to no good.Another thing that wrecks dogs is having more than one dog.

 

[DJL]

I'm so very sorry about Zelda, Kato. It's one very tough decision; I've been there a few times, and it never gets any easier. It helps a bit when it's old age, though rather than something like this incident. I was sure hoping for a better outcome.

 

[Northern Rancher]

We've lost good dogs to snares too-but if they leave my place they are walking on thin ice. I'm alot more tolerant of the neighbors pets than vice versa.That was a tough deal for sure you went through.

 

[Anonymous]

Shouldn't have been on the planet, IMO.

These particular coyotes are accused of killing deer, yet they share the same space as two hundred calving cows, and have never done anything wrong. I would think a deer killer would be a calf killer, or at least a calf yard lurker. The donkeys aren't in every pen, and if the coyotes wanted to be a nuisance, we'd know about it.

We have more deer killed by cars while coming to his yard for supper than the coyotes could ever do in. I've had more than one jump over the hood of my car for that matter. :?

Kato-- sounds like your deer loving neighbor needs reminding of the fact that snares not only catch coyotes, or dogs, or cows, but they also catch deer...I don't know how many crippled deer I've shot and put out of their misery that had a gangrenous leg and was dragging a snare-- or still totally caught up in it and found dead....

Thats one of the bad things about snares compared to traps-- they're cheap and sometimes guys make and put out 1000's-- and then can't remember where they put them--where at least with $20-50 traps they remember...

Sorry about your dog Kato....I used to worry about the same--but since most the landowners down here won't allow the snares anymore-and all snares and traps are now required to be labeled as to ownership, that puts a liability on the trapper -- we don't have as much to worry about....

 

[Red Robin]

and traps are now required to be labeled as to ownership, that puts a liability on the trapper -- we don't have as much to worry about....

That'd be an excellent idea for dogs as well. It'd be nice to know the owner when some dog runs my fresh weaned calves all night that I could get some compensation. Novel idea. House of origin label.

 

[jodywy]

and traps are now required to be labeled as to ownership, that puts a liability on the trapper -- we don't have as much to worry about....

That'd be an excellent idea for dogs as well. It'd be nice to know the owner when some dog runs my fresh weaned calves all night that I could get some compensation. Novel idea. House of origin label.

One spring years ago the snow was well over 3 feet with somewhat of a crust, would hold up a dog but not short yearlings, We shot 6 dogs that had run those yearlings all night even killing one. Some of their owners live 4 miles away in a subdivision. Oh my dog would not do such a thing :roll: :roll:
First they were mad their dogs had been shot but then they were not their dogs when it was time to pay damages…. :evil:

 

[kolanuraven]

If a dog is just passing thru my pastures on his way home not bothering anything...fine.

If I see a dog chasin' anything of mine...I'm sorry...he's dying of lead poison right then and there!!!

Mine stay in a kennel at all times unless they are right by my side. When I go in my house...they go in their lots! Nothing of mine runs free.

 

[Kato]

My dog was following me home from the pasture and happened to follow her nose down the deer trail by the creek. This was not a dog that runs the neighbourhood causing trouble. :!: In the four years of her life she has never once been out of earshot, and I resent the suggestion that she was a bad dog.

I don't tolerate dogs that run either, especially if they chase livestock. If Zelda was that kind of dog, she'd be tied up. She was not that kind of dog. We have had two such dogs in our neighbourhood, and our donkeys took care of both of them.

That being said, what good is a guard dog if it's on a chain? Zelda is the only reason our yard didn't get cleaned out last spring when a gang of robbers cleaned out the rest of the neighbours. Stolen trucks, quads, snowmobiles and motorcycles from both sides of us. They had to drive by us twice to pull off the robberies. One of these neighbours had a dog, but it was in the house. Not much good there.

A similar bunch of robbers were caught last year, and in their possession was a map covering over fifty square miles, with every yard that had a dog marked on it. In this area, it's your best defence. A dog in the driveway can mean the difference between waking up to find a half a dozen big guys, fresh out of jail cleaning our your yard while you sleep, and being left alone.

 

[HAY MAKER]

If a dog is just passing thru my pastures on his way home not bothering anything...fine.

If I see a dog chasin' anything of mine...I'm sorry...he's dying of lead poison right then and there!!!

Mine stay in a kennel at all times unless they are right by my side. When I go in my house...they go in their lots! Nothing of mine runs free.

I guess Im a ole dog lover,dog has to be doing some real damage before I get my gun,a call to the neighbor usually fixes my dog problems...........good luck
PS Kato I hope you get your husband to tell this so called neighbor what he thinks.

 

[OldDog/NewTricks]

Californis Law says
"On or about your Property Worrying your Livestock"
It also covers (2 X Time) Damaged Livestock, Value (If you catch them, Dead or Alive)

While in 4H V_Key bought a RAM for $200 that had a just broken his leg (He was advertised in a National Mag for $2500) we set the leg

Neighbors Dogs got him the first day she turned him out. A friend caught the dogs, {LIVE} they cost the owner $5000 - Law says VALUE not cost - she argued "Gene Pool" and had that ad [/u]

 

[hillsdown]

Kato

That being said, what good is a guard dog if it's on a chain?

Knowing that I have the dogs allows my husband to continue with the direction his career has gone. It also lets my parents sleep at night without worrying so much about me.

Also my dogs are in the house at night. So there is no way they are the ones out there chasing cattle.

Neighbors down the road got cleaned out. Skid steer and quads all loaded up a just disappeared. The German Shepard "guard dog" was chained up the poor thing required medical attention because of how hard he tried to get off that chain .

Because of living so close to a growing city with increasing crime rates the police encourage us to have dogs as added protection especially to aid against home invasions.

But we live in a very close community and everyone knows just what pets each other has. I guess it's different when you get a few bad apples living around you.

 

[Kato]

In this part of the country, if the dog is on a chain, you get robbed when you are away. That way he can bark all he likes.

If the dog is in the house, you get robbed while you are sleeping in your bed. This is what happened to our neighbours, and with small children in the house they were pretty upset in the morning.

If the dog is on the lane, they stay out. It helps to have the psychological advantage of having a dog who looks just like the Mountie's dog who has already bit so many of them in the butts. :wink:

It's sad that it has come to this, but it's the way it is.

 

[George]

Most of you know by now I raise German Shepards - - - but I use electric fences and I have cattle guards in the drives that the dogs are afraid of as well as the cattle and horses.

This pretty much gives my dogs the run of 300 acres but they mostly stay near the house and barns.

Break ins are not un common around here but I have been spared so far.

When you come on my property you are greeted with signs stating " BEWARE GUARD DOGS ON DUTY" and they surround any strange cars - - - Most people seem very reluctant to get out until we come out.

 

[efb]

I hate to think of any animal dying in a snare. I also have no tolerance for roaming dogs. I believe dogs cause way more livestock loss than coyotes. My experience has been dog owners never accept their dog could do any harm.

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

Kato, I'm so sorry for the loss of your girl. We had a similar - though not as devastating - thing happen to our Australian Shepherd. He lost part of his foot in a trap.

The thing for coyotes, IMO, is prevention (like not keeping a herd of deer around, obviously), and bullets.

Again, I'm SO sorry. I know that no dog will ever replace her, but you will provide a good home for another very fortunate pup.

 

[peg4x4]

Kato,what blood line was Zelda?? She looked like the old style with good hindquarters.. Wish I could get another..

 

[Dakota Kristine]

Kato I am really sorry about Zelda, she must have been a great dog, if my dog wasn't tied up most of the time she would kill all our chickens!
Zelda is really beautfiul, but you did the right thing for her *big hug*!

 

[jolly_ranger]

I think there are a lot of good opinions here as well as some rather harsh ones that are only good in a few circumstances.

First off, Kato, I'm sorry to hear about your dog, I know how bad that feels. I lost my Sammy to poison my neighbor set out for coyotes. My neighbor raised fighting cocks (I didn't condone that) and my dog never bothered them. But when he found something sweet along the fence, he gobbled that up. He died in my arms and I had to bury him with my father's help. I was only 13 years old.

I had another dog, Shadow. She had a lot of promise. But she went missing one day, we think snatched from our front yard. Nearly a year later, we found her, and she came back with a mess of problems. With this was chicken killing. After a few months, we did the responsible thing: we put her down because she was killing neighbors livestock. A dog's behavior has ALOT to do with how it was raised!

The neighbor on the other side of us had a rottie that got loose and ripped up two of our goats, a milker and a show goat. We didn't shoot him, we allowed the neighbor to put him in a better pen. If he had attacked again, we would have shot on site of him on our property.

Dogs wander, they just do. My dogs take themselves for "walks" from time to time, and it takes us a bit to find them. But usually they keep to the roadside.

I think some people need to give dogs a little bit more consideration before they pull the trigger. I understand that a wandering dog can do sever damage to a herd, I have raised orphans of such attacks.

BUT, I think you should THINK FIRST, SHOOT SECOND. You can always decide later that you should shoot a dog, but you can't ever bring it back to life.

I think the neighbor in this instance is responsible since he did not notify the other property owners he was going to set out traps, and also it was under his permission that the traps were set out on the wrong property. Also, he is responsible for the impact on the environment that he is making by allowing for a population explosion and for inhibiting nature from trying to balance it out.

There are reasons for "Laws of Nature" just like there are laws for which we govern ourselves. What will become of this population should something happen to this man? They will move to the next available farm and try to live off their resources. If they move into the wilderness, a large concentrated herd of that size can easily strip an area of it's natural resources, causing not only problems for them, but for any other creature that may co-depend on the same materials.

Near where my parents live there is a high-end resort/residential area that has had a problem with deer. It is illegal to hunt deer there, and many people feed them. What has resulted is a rising number of severe car crashes, many fatal- where a person has either struck a deer or crashed from trying to avoid hitting a deer.

How can my 'essay' be boiled down?

"Everyone is responsible for their actions-whether malicious or not- and the outcome. If something you are doing has been pointed out as in error, be a wise enough person to change your way!"